Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[TanyaLovesPooh]

on ET:

it was an open handed spank .. coming after Leah continued to blow a whistle, after Kate asked her to stop. It was hard enough that Leah shrieked and grabbed her bottom afterwards. There are apparently several eyewitnesses who were around the house when it happen. The police came not long after the spanking .. no mention was made about who called them.

the rest of the story was speculation about how Kate might be less patient and could snap (as a parent) quicker.

This site is reporting that Kate Gosselin is the one that called police because of the photographers.

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/kate-gosselin-spends-anniversary-weekend-with-police-2009156

Who knows? Remembering past shows though it also seems to me that Jon is the one that is less patient with the kids.

 

[TheZue]

As a mother, I would have asked for water and then given the child a sip. Kate not only teased her daughter, but she is also sending a message to her that she (kate) is more important than her.

Ya it was just brutal. I get that some people don't spank and I'm one of them, but that water thing was much worse than the spanking. The spanking was just disipline, whether you agree with why she did it is a totally different thing. Denying your kid water when there is clearly time for a drink and they aren't shooting yet is just bizzare. I can't imagine getting the cameras rolling before the kids were ready, yes there are 8 of them but I'm sorry they aren't there for play time they are working with their mom. And I'm betting if anyone else in that room wanted to grab a quick drink before they started there wouldn't be a problem.

 

[blissventure]

Ya it was just brutal. I get that some people don't spank and I'm one of them, but that water thing was much worse than the spanking. The spanking was just disipline, whether you agree with why she did it is a totally different thing. Denying your kid water when there is clearly time for a drink and they aren't shooting yet is just bizzare. I can't imagine getting the cameras rolling before the kids were ready, yes there are 8 of them but I'm sorry they aren't there for play time they are working with their mom. And I'm betting if anyone else in that room wanted to grab a quick drink before they started there wouldn't be a problem.

Neither situation impressed me. At this point, Kate could use some counseling/coaching and some actual help with the children. There needs to be a responsible adult around that's OK with giving them a drink of water, taking them out to play while Mommy is being interviewed yet again, that sort of thing.

 

[MineMail]

The Gosselins have tons of places to have privacy if you look at the ariel shot of their property.

OT, but I think it's funny to use the aerial shots of their property to highlight their areas of privacy, roflol! (Yes, I know Google Earth and others have the images available to the public.)

 

[newtodis]

You really should watch it before commenting. And how long should a child sit quietly with nothing to do (only the little kids had slinkys) under hot lights in a studio before it is ok to want to get a drink or a break or go play while the mom talks to another adult? I don't blame Mady one bit for whining, and she is not being horrible. She asks for water several times. A drink, it's not an unreasonable request. Watch how Kate never ever looks at her. Or touches her....she is sitting inches from Mady and the other kids wouldn't have even noticed if she took a quick drink like her mom did. They are working. The interview is of no benefit to them.

Glad the foot's not broken!

Ok I watched the video and totally stand by my comments - I really don't think it's as big as everyone's making it honestly. Kate's talking to someone off camera and there's clearly like something edited out for some reason at the beginning. Even when Kate takes a drink it's like she's hurrying because she's told they're going "live" or whatever in a second. How long should they sit quietly? I'm not sure - I think it depends on the situation. These kids have been to enough interviews to know how to sit quietly for a few minutes. I can't imagine the interview was that long - they alwasy seem to be very short (I think when they were on Oprah was the longest I'd ever seen them interviewed - when they actually when to her show). I just think a child Mady's age should have enough self control to to know what's expected and wait quietly.

Thanks - we're certainly glad it's not broken too!

on ET:

it was an open handed spank .. coming after Leah continued to blow a whistle, after Kate asked her to stop. It was hard enough that Leah shrieked and grabbed her bottom afterwards. There are apparently several eyewitnesses who were around the house when it happen. The police came not long after the spanking .. no mention was made about who called them.

the rest of the story was speculation about how Kate might be less patient and could snap (as a parent) quicker.

Alright...that looked bad. Can't say I wouldn't do the same thing (we primarily use time out but will spank if needed), but we try to "save" spanking for something a bit more severe (running into the street, ect). Now, does that mean I've never spanked my kid for something else? No - I wish I could say otherwise. As I've said here several times, I was abused growing up and will never put my children through that. I know people see spanking as "abuse" so I'm not even going to try and address that.... I've had days that I've asked and asked and asked and done time out, going to your room, whatever and have been at the end of my rope and will spank my kids. Thankfully no one's there taking my picture to remember forever but I could honestly probably tell you each time I've spanked my kids - that's how infrequently we do it. If I grab my DS4's arm he'll put his hand on his butt because he's seen other kids get spanked - certainly not because we're constantly spanking him. Sometimes he'll fuss for a minute but generally his answer is "that didn't hurt" when he does get a spank.....(gotta love my little spit fire! ) Yes I've pulled a wooden spoon out of the basket on my counter and said "Mommy used to get spanked with this and if you don't listen, I will spank you". Is that mean? Probably but it solved the problem without ever having to use it - ever.

Well if the cops were called then Kate is in a world of trouble. At least if they are like the cops around here.

OT a bit: It's my birthday and I'm laying around the house waiting for the bus to come and take me to Charm City Cakes to pick up my birthday cake "cause you know it's just tragic having to make your own cake.

Happy Birthday! Be sure to take lots of pictures with Duff and the gang! We can't wait to see what you made. DH asked if his cakes were good - will you report back and let me know please??

Sorry for the rambling today - new meds combined with starting this about 8:00 this morning and just now sitting down to finish it!

 

[talulabelle]

Are you kidding? If she had remained seated in vehicle while the bodyguard put the gas in people would be screaming about that too. "Kate Gosselin is too good to put gas in her own car, she has to have her bodyguard do it".

We already knew she thought she was too good to put gas in her car. There was an episode where she drove past every gas station in town only to come home and tell Jon that he needed to take the car and go put gas in it. The interviewer asked her on the couch why she didn't do it herself and she did the "eww" face she is so fond of and said that it was an icky mans job and that she doesn't do that, it is Jon's job.

I was dieing watching that because he just rolled his eyes and did it. My husband would have looked at me like I was crazy and told me that he hoped I didn't run out of gas on my next trip because I should have gassed it up on the way home. The reason she treats him like dirt is because he has always allowed her to treat him like dirt. He never made any objection (I'm sure he was scared to) so she thought he didn't mind that treatment and kept it up. What happens in these relationships is he resents it and over time can't take it anymore and escapes. And over time she loses more and more respect for him, because she has to treat him worse and worse to get any reaction or communication, and she secretly wants a man that stands up for himself and is strong, so she falls out of love. And, that is just what has happened already.

 

[newtodis]

there were other ways to handle that situation, even if the end result was a spanking. no need to have it played out in public.

I tend to agree. I do spank but tend to discipline different when we're "in public" than I do at our house probably, if I were being honest, because it's easier for me to not have to yell all the time. Like, at home, all I have to say it "time out" and both of them know where they have to go (assuming they're the one in trouble). When we're out and about, a time out spot has to be determined, someone has to watch the "time out" child and when I'm out alone, it hardly makes it a punishment for the "time out" child since we're all having to wait on them. Overall, I think "good for Kate" if that's how she chooses to discipline and not "change" because of the "p" people. Everyone's wanting reality (general everyone - not just this thread from what I'm gathering) but when they do something "real" they're getting blamed for not doing something else (not meaning you madge - sorry...I just happened to quote your post! ). They're darned if they do and if they don't so I hope they're keeping things as "real" as they can at home.

Someone who drove past the house said it was private where they played. Paparazzi can get pictures no matter where they were outside. IMO the fault is the paparazzi, not J & K.
They are like dogs with fangs..and they make it look (after taking a 100 shots) like the person wants their picture to be taken.

I think there's fault for everyone at this point - including those (myself included) who look at the pictures and magazines and everything else. I agree that if someone wanted a picture of something, I'm sure they'd find a why to get it. I'm sure they take many more pictures than what we actually see posted/used anywhere.

OT, but I think it's funny to use the aerial shots of their property to highlight their areas of privacy, roflol! (Yes, I know Google Earth and others have the images available to the public.)

So true!

We already knew she thought she was too good to put gas in her car. There was an episode where she drove past every gas station in town only to come home and tell Jon that he needed to take the car and go put gas in it. The interviewer asked her on the couch why she didn't do it herself and she did the "eww" face she is so fond of and said that it was an icky mans job and that she doesn't do that, it is Jon's job.

And over time she loses more and more respect for him, because she has to treat him worse and worse to get any reaction or communication, and she secretly wants a man that stands up for himself and is strong, so she falls out of love.

Gas - I hate putting gas in my car and will hint like crazy that I'll have to leave early in the morning or something hoping DH will take my van and put gas in it so I don't have to. Will I if I really need to? Sure but I hope my DH would do it for me knowing how much I don't like doing it.

Relationship - This is kind of where DH and I are right now in a sense. We're more like roommates than spouses by far. He has his room and I have mine and we both come and go and do whatever. If this is what Kate's working with, I can totally relate to her right now and the immense stress that she has in her life and I only have to juggle working, volunteering and two kids on top of it as opposed to 8 along with Kate's other stressors. I would love a "strong" man like DH was when we got married/were dating. I've stepped in to do something when he wasn't able to (write a check to pay bills for example) and he seems to have taken that as his cue to stop doing it so my plate continues to pile high with more and more to get done. Then it turns into the "I'll take care of it" then not getting done and a mess left for me very generally speaking. Like I said, if that's what Kate's dealing with - I can totally relate and share first hand that it's not easy or a fun place to be at all! (Sorry to dump my whole life story out on this thread...somehow that always seems to happen!).

 

[madge]

I just know that in my neighborhood, as I've said before, we have a ton of kids out front and parents sitting on the stoop watching them. Seldom do the kids play in their back yards. Even the basketball hoops are out on the street.

the Gosselins no longer live in a neighborhood, where what you describe is popular. it's the opposite here -- the kids all play in the backyards (that all butt up against each other) and the parents sit in the back and watch. no worries about traffic that way.

and the kids in our neighborhoods are not being photographed or filmed by the paparazi ... there's no need for protection from that. moving the Gosselins to the back yard might make it more difficult for the media to get a glimpse.

 

[pweyl36]

Are you kidding? If she had remained seated in vehicle while the bodyguard put the gas in people would be screaming about that too. "Kate Gosselin is too good to put gas in her own car, she has to have her bodyguard do it".

Why does she need a body guard? All the real celebrites dont have body guards. There is nobody sworming her, so why the bodyguard?

 

[madge]

So possibly TLC is paying for all this stuff for the Gosselin's but not for any of their other shows??

I'm sure TLC/sponsors pay on all these "reality" shows. That's not unusual .. in fact, it's probably the norm. It seems to be more obvious on JK8. I think I read once that Jon & Kate Plus 8 was one of the top product placement shows on TV right now.

Who paid for Jon's $150,000 motorcycle or the scooter? When it was donated to the Ronald McDonald house she came right out and said the choppers made it to donate.

that's what bugs me. does TLC think viewers are that dim? I realize that not every JK8 viewer follows the blogs, etc. but at the same time, this particular show it seemed like no one could get it clear about the who commissioned the bikes, who was paying for the bikes, the fact that Kate's was intended to be donated from the onset .. geez, TLC. Get your story straight.

 

[Tikitoi]

She slaps her husband and even hit Emeril, so why wouldn't she do the same to the kids? (In Touch article related)

 

[WaltD4Me]

and the kids in our neighborhoods are not being photographed or filmed by the paparazi ... there's no need for protection from that. moving the Gosselins to the back yard might make it more difficult for the media to get a glimpse.

It might not make it more difficult though. I have a feeling the "P" people will find a way to get their shots no matter what. It seems the kids really like to ride their bikes and other ride-on toys, seems the only way to do that is in front of the house, if that is the case, I can't blame Kate or whoever decides these things to let them play in front. It is entirely possible that they play in the back alot too, but when they want to ride their bikes what else can you do?

 

[DMRick]

Why does she need a body guard? All the real celebrites dont have body guards. There is nobody sworming her, so why the bodyguard?

I wonder if that's why there is no one swarming her (although in some of those video's, the paparazzi is all around her and following her)..because she has bodyguards. What difference does it make, as long as we aren't paying for it? I have no idea if 'real' celebrities have bodyguards. There was recently a movie shot in Albany, NY and when the news showed the star on TV that night, she had two pretty big men next to her and walking down the road with her and they had their arms out to keep people away from her, trying to get autographs and touch her. No idea if they were body guards, but they were in all the pictures and videos.

 

[mrsksomeday]

I used to ride my bike on the grass in the yard all the time.

Just step out of the public for a week or two the "P" people would start focusing on another scandal. I know they shouldn't have to, but those children will have access to all the articles someday, I would do whatever I could to avoid further speculation etc.

 

[1stluvispooh]

No kidding! My guess would be that her PR person has her on speed dial. Maybe it's one of those phones (like the old school Batman show) where it lights up and blinks red when there's trouble!

But it must be blinking all the time!!!

 

[1stluvispooh]

This site is reporting that Kate Gosselin is the one that called police because of the photographers.

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/kate-gosselin-spends-anniversary-weekend-with-police-2009156

Who knows? Remembering past shows though it also seems to me that Jon is the one that is less patient with the kids.

That's because he is also dealing with Kate.

 

[madge]

according to the witnesses quoted (and I can't find the link to the story I just read ), Kate was on the phone and asked Leah to stop. Leah kept blowing the whistle, prompting Kate to walk over and grab Leah, which is the pictures we've seen.


Here's the link:
http://www.intouchweekly.com/2009/06/in_touch_exclusivekate_gosseli.php

 

[madge]

but when they want to ride their bikes what else can you do?

you make sure they're wearing a helmet.

sorry. I couldn't resist.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

according to the witnesses quoted (and I can't find the link to the story I just read ), Kate was on the phone and asked Leah to stop. Leah kept blowing the whistle, prompting Kate to walk over and grab Leah, which is the pictures we've seen.

now, did Kate ask Leah nicely to stop ... did she threaten time out before spanking? Why on earth didn't she take the whistle away or send Leah in the house? Those are all things I've asked myself this morning. It just could have been handled differently, IMO.

That's what I was thinking too. If my kids do something like that while I'm on the phone, I warn them once. Should they continue then I send them to their room. I certainly don't reach, grab and spank. Luckily they've experienced it enough times to realize when I'm on the phone, don't interupt unless someone is bleeding or the house is on fire! I just can't imagine grabbing my 6 year old, spanking her and causing a scene with photographers close near my house. That's ridiculous and is just asking for trouble with either the police or CPS.

 

[MichelleVW]

That's what I was thinking too. If my kids do something like that while I'm on the phone, I warn them once. Should they continue then I send them to their room. I certainly don't reach, grab and spank. Luckily they've experienced it enough times to realize when I'm on the phone, don't interupt unless someone is bleeding or the house is on fire! I just can't imagine grabbing my 6 year old, spanking her and causing a scene with photographers close near my house. That's ridiculous and is just asking for trouble with either the police or CPS.

The very first time we went to Disney, my youngest was 8. We were on the Safari ride and she was throwing a fit (think Mady, they are ALOT alike) and was mad because her sister got to sit on the "good" side of the seat. I asked her to calm down a few times and then I had enough and I smacked her leg. Right there ON THE SAFARI AT DISNEY WORLD! Even left a welt, that is still talked about today by the bad little child...

It was not my proudest mommy moment, but things happen...I'm just glad I'm not famous and no one was taking a picture.