Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[lucas]

OT, but I think it's funny to use the aerial shots of their property to highlight their areas of privacy, roflol! (Yes, I know Google Earth and others have the images available to the public.)

You don't even have to use Google Earth. Just a simple Google search and you can find it.

 

[1stluvispooh]

Why does she need a body guard? All the real celebrites dont have body guards. There is nobody sworming her, so why the bodyguard?

So she can feel important.

 

[DMRick]

I just can't imagine grabbing my 6 year old, spanking her and causing a scene with photographers close near my house. That's ridiculous and is just asking for trouble with either the police or CPS.

The police and CPS get involved when someone grabs the arm of a child and spanks their bottom in your area? Ours wouldn't even with a picture of it. Do we even know if it was a light swat, or a pants pulling down full spanking? Or if Kate had already taken a whistle away once and warned her and now she had one of the other kids whistles, or was she already on the phone with the police because the pap was encrouching on her property and she felt the kids weren't safe and the whistle made it hard for the police to hear her (see, even I can turn it all around LOL)? I just don't know how so many of you know all of the cirmcumstances that make everyone of Kate's moves practically jail worthy. We're only allowed to see a part of their day.lives. Who knows what went on before the Paparazzi took a zillion pictures to get that one shot.

Even the water sipping I have rethought after other's have posted. Kate has just a little on her mind (maybe trying to figure out where her husband was..maybe he was supposed to be at the taping), the taping may have been live, they handed her the water and without thinking she took a sip (a few seconds earlier she did ask if they had the kids cups) put it down, heard Mady, went to pick it up and maybe they said, we're rolling. Should we really think that Mady had had nothing to drink that day and was about to pass out, if she had to wait the 5 minutes until the end of the interview? Or was Mady just being, well, Mady. Pushing Kate's buttons. It's too bad that Kate took a sip, but maybe she just wasn't thinking. Just like a normal mom with lots of kids and things to keep straight.

 

[DMRick]

So she can feel important.

What is this based on? Do you know that no one follows her and tries to get close and she and the kids don't need a bodyguard? Look at the target video..they (paparazzi) are pretty darn scary.

 

[nuke]

according to the witnesses quoted (and I can't find the link to the story I just read ), Kate was on the phone and asked Leah to stop. Leah kept blowing the whistle, prompting Kate to walk over and grab Leah, which is the pictures we've seen.


Here's the link:
http://www.intouchweekly.com/2009/06/in_touch_exclusivekate_gosseli.php

How is a wailing child better than a whistle? How about taking away the whistle? Not dramatic enough I guess.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

The very first time we went to Disney, my youngest was 8. We were on the Safari ride and she was throwing a fit (think Mady, they are ALOT alike) and was mad because her sister got to sit on the "good" side of the seat. I asked her to calm down a few times and then I had enough and I smacked her leg. Right there ON THE SAFARI AT DISNEY WORLD! Even left a welt, that is still talked about today by the bad little child...

It was not my proudest mommy moment, but things happen...I'm just glad I'm not famous and no one was taking a picture.

Oh trust me, my youngest is quite a handful. I just wouldn't (and this is my opinion obviously) spank her in public. I've seen Moms do just like you said and I'm not judging them (or you for that matter!) but it always makes me cringe because I think what if some hyper-sensitive person saw it and decided to call the authorities. People are crazy. I just don't think Kate showed good judgement in handling it in public the way she did. I'd have removed Leah from the situation and dealt with it quietly so the whole world wouldn't have to see. Goodness, Kate or Jon have been in the tabloids for months now so I would think they'd try not to give the magazines anymore material, you know?

 

[1stluvispooh]

The police and CPS get involved when someone grabs the arm of a child and spanks their bottom in your area? Ours wouldn't even with a picture of it. Do we even know if it was a light swat, or a pants pulling down full spanking? Or if Kate had already taken a whistle away once and warned her and now she had one of the other kids whistles, or was she already on the phone with the police because the pap was encrouching on her property and she felt the kids weren't safe and the whistle made it hard for the police to hear her (see, even I can turn it all around LOL)? I just don't know how so many of you know all of the cirmcumstances that make everyone of Kate's moves practically jail worthy. We're only allowed to see a part of their day.lives. Who knows what went on before the Paparazzi took a zillion pictures to get that one shot.

Even the water sipping I have rethought after other's have posted. Kate has just a little on her mind (maybe trying to figure out where her husband was..maybe he was supposed to be at the taping), the taping may have been live, they handed her the water and without thinking she took a sip (a few seconds earlier she did ask if they had the kids cups) put it down, heard Mady, went to pick it up and maybe they said, we're rolling. Should we really think that Mady had had nothing to drink that day and was about to pass out, if she had to wait the 5 minutes until the end of the interview? Or was Mady just being, well, Mady. Pushing Kate's buttons. It's too bad that Kate took a sip, but maybe she just wasn't thinking. Just like a normal mom with lots of kids and things to keep straight.

It depends if the cop wants to be a hard ***.

If Kate felt that the kids weren't safe outside why didn't she take the kids inside? I know for a fact that the driveway has a gate. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't have a security system too. So if the "p" people were making her kids feel unsafe why would she still be outside??? For that matter why would you still be doing a TV show?

 

[madge]

The very first time we went to Disney, my youngest was 8. We were on the Safari ride and she was throwing a fit (think Mady, they are ALOT alike) and was mad because her sister got to sit on the "good" side of the seat. I asked her to calm down a few times and then I had enough and I smacked her leg. Right there ON THE SAFARI AT DISNEY WORLD! Even left a welt, that is still talked about today by the bad little child...

It was not my proudest mommy moment, but things happen...I'm just glad I'm not famous and no one was taking a picture.

I did not get the impression that Kate asked Leah to do anything more than once.

 

[lucas]

Even the water sipping I have rethought after other's have posted. Kate has just a little on her mind (maybe trying to figure out where her husband was..maybe he was supposed to be at the taping), the taping may have been live, they handed her the water and without thinking she took a sip (a few seconds earlier she did ask if they had the kids cups) put it down, heard Mady, went to pick it up and maybe they said, we're rolling. Should we really think that Mady had had nothing to drink that day and was about to pass out, if she had to wait the 5 minutes until the end of the interview? Or was Mady just being, well, Mady. Pushing Kate's buttons. It's too bad that Kate took a sip, but maybe she just wasn't thinking. Just like a normal mom with lots of kids and things to keep straight.

Well said. After watching the video a couple of times those are my thoughts, too. I have to cut her some slack on the water issue.

 

[MineMail]

Should we really think that Mady had had nothing to drink that day and was about to pass out, if she had to wait the 5 minutes until the end of the interview? Or was Mady just being, well, Mady. Pushing Kate's buttons. It's too bad that Kate took a sip, but maybe she just wasn't thinking. Just like a normal mom with lots of kids and things to keep straight.

After watching the video and listening to all the discussion, I think it's been blown out of proportion. I've only seen a few episodes of the show, but Mady is a drama queen. C'mon - the kid said she was dehydrated, not just "thirsty"! We don't know what she had to drink that day, but her eyes weren't sunken, so she was probably a little thirsty and Kate screwed up. She was probably worried about answering questions on camera, esp. the ones asking why Jon wasn't around.

I would laughed when she said that she was "dehydrated." Laughed AT her, you realize. I have a drama queen in my house that cracks up my whole family with her three-syllable words and over-the-top remarks. If my DD had said that in front of my sister, she would have found herself being checked (no sunken eyes, your wrist skin snaps back) and dismissed ("Doctor (), your diagnosis is wrong, just wait a little while and we'll get you a drink. Here, eat this salt.") followed by good-natured mocking. Maybe Kate needs to change her approach with Mady. It works with my diva, she rarely gets to the tantrum stage because she starts laughing.

I'm cutting Kate some slack on the water. The World can still criticize her for being a shrew towards Jon, setting bad examples, putting herself in stupid situations, and having an obvious sense of entitlement. Jon's a whiner and if he's not cheating, he's really a dope. Why make such choices that appear to be cheating and not get the benefits? Duh.

If you really hate the show and the situation, the best thing to do is to let them go off into the poor-ratings sunset. Don't buy the magazines/papers, don't click on the online articles, don't watch the show, and don't go to the appearances. Then they can have a "normal life."

 

[LoraJ]

It depends if the cop wants to be a hard ***.

If Kate felt that the kids weren't safe outside why didn't she take the kids inside? I know for a fact that the driveway has a gate. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't have a security system too. So if the "p" people were making her kids feel unsafe why would she still be outside??? For that matter why would you still be doing a TV show?

Perhaps the P people were tresspassig.

 

[WaltD4Me]

After watching the video and listening to all the discussion, I think it's been blown out of proportion. I've only seen a few episodes of the show, but Mady is a drama queen. C'mon - the kid said she was dehydrated, not just "thirsty"! We don't know what she had to drink that day, but her eyes weren't sunken, so she was probably a little thirsty and Kate screwed up. She was probably worried about answering questions on camera, esp. the ones asking why Jon wasn't around.

I would laughed when she said that she was "dehydrated." Laughed AT her, you realize. I have a drama queen in my house that cracks up my whole family with her three-syllable words and over-the-top remarks. If my DD had said that in front of my sister, she would have found herself being checked (no sunken eyes, your wrist skin snaps back) and dismissed ("Doctor (), your diagnosis is wrong, just wait a little while and we'll get you a drink. Here, eat this salt.") followed by good-natured mocking. Maybe Kate needs to change her approach with Mady. It works with my diva, she rarely gets to the tantrum stage because she starts laughing.

I'm cutting Kate some slack on the water. The World can still criticize her for being a shrew towards Jon, setting bad examples, putting herself in stupid situations, and having an obvious sense of entitlement. Jon's a whiner and if he's not cheating, he's really a dope. Why make such choices that appear to be cheating and not get the benefits? Duh.

ITA Having a Drama Queen or a "DQ" as we call her, I can relate to the water/dehydration thing. I think I've read every possible take on "Water-Gate" (couldn't resist) and I just think it's been blown way out of porportion.

The spanking? Well, IMHO we don't even know if she did spank Leah. My niece covers her bottom every time my sister gets close up to talk to her like that when she is being bad, she has been spanked a handful of times in her young life, for things like running in the street, so every time she gets in trouble she covers her butt, so to me the picture of Leah with her hands on her bottom isn't evidence she was spanked. The pictures show SECONDS of time, if the "P" people chose to, I'm sure they could only print happy, smiling pictures, but those wouldn't sell magazines now would they.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

After watching the video and listening to all the discussion, I think it's been blown out of proportion. I've only seen a few episodes of the show, but Mady is a drama queen. C'mon - the kid said she was dehydrated, not just "thirsty"! We don't know what she had to drink that day, but her eyes weren't sunken, so she was probably a little thirsty and Kate screwed up. She was probably worried about answering questions on camera, esp. the ones asking why Jon wasn't around.

I would laughed when she said that she was "dehydrated." Laughed AT her, you realize. I have a drama queen in my house that cracks up my whole family with her three-syllable words and over-the-top remarks. If my DD had said that in front of my sister, she would have found herself being checked (no sunken eyes, your wrist skin snaps back) and dismissed ("Doctor (), your diagnosis is wrong, just wait a little while and we'll get you a drink. Here, eat this salt.") followed by good-natured mocking. Maybe Kate needs to change her approach with Mady. It works with my diva, she rarely gets to the tantrum stage because she starts laughing.

I'm cutting Kate some slack on the water. The World can still criticize her for being a shrew towards Jon, setting bad examples, putting herself in stupid situations, and having an obvious sense of entitlement. Jon's a whiner and if he's not cheating, he's really a dope. Why make such choices that appear to be cheating and not get the benefits? Duh.

If you really hate the show and the situation, the best thing to do is to let them go off into the poor-ratings sunset. Don't buy the magazines/papers, don't click on the online articles, don't watch the show, and don't go to the appearances. Then they can have a "normal life."

Actually, wasn't this interview done in January before the whole scandal with Jon hit? So you think Jon should be cheating then? He should be enjoying the benefits of that, as you say? I don't think that's healthy. We have no idea what his issues are apart from being immature and a tad spineless. Is it because you think Kate treats him poorly that he should be cheating on her? I'm a little confused.

Mady is a bit of a drama queen but why do you think that is? I truly believe it's because she quickly took a back seat to the sextuplets when they were born. I see her dramatic behavior as a way to say that she is unhappy and needs attention. That would concern me as a Mom. I think your example of your own daughter is different. It seems like Mady tends to get attention only when she's acting out. She's been allowed to continue in this bad pattern and Kate usually rolls her eyes or makes snarky comments about it during the interview portion of their show. How nice that Mady will have a visual record of her behavior and Kate's thoughts on how she acted.

Again, the issue wasn't so much that Mady asked for water and was refused. It was Kate's response. She heard Mady's request, got water for herself and then set it aside knowing Mady was thirsty. All because they were going to be interviewed. I'm sure Mady's answer to the question 'Do you think your Mom is a good Mom' was a nice little jab to show her displeasure at Kate's insensitivity. That's my take on it anyway.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

The reason she treats him like dirt is because he has always allowed her to treat him like dirt. He never made any objection (I'm sure he was scared to) so she thought he didn't mind that treatment and kept it up. What happens in these relationships is he resents it and over time can't take it anymore and escapes. And over time she loses more and more respect for him, because she has to treat him worse and worse to get any reaction or communication, and she secretly wants a man that stands up for himself and is strong, so she falls out of love. And, that is just what has happened already.

I think you are absolutely right. I would never talk to Jon the way Kate does, but I also could not be married to a man like him.

 

[madge]

Kate has issued a statement regarding Leah's spanking:
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/06/17/kate-gosselin-spanking/

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Why does she need a body guard? All the real celebrites dont have body guards. There is nobody sworming her, so why the bodyguard?

Because the world is full of crazy people. Some people trully hate Kate Gosselin and might even do her harm if given the chance. Have you seen what some people from other sites write about her?

 

[blissventure]

Actually, wasn't this interview done in January before the whole scandal with Jon hit? So you think Jon should be cheating then? He should be enjoying the benefits of that, as you say? I don't think that's healthy. We have no idea what his issues are apart from being immature and a tad spineless. Is it because you think Kate treats him poorly that he should be cheating on her? I'm a little confused.

Mady is a bit of a drama queen but why do you think that is? I truly believe it's because she quickly took a back seat to the sextuplets when they were born. I see her dramatic behavior as a way to say that she is unhappy and needs attention. That would concern me as a Mom. I think your example of your own daughter is different. It seems like Mady tends to get attention only when she's acting out. She's been allowed to continue in this bad pattern and Kate usually rolls her eyes or makes snarky comments about it during the interview portion of their show. How nice that Mady will have a visual record of her behavior and Kate's thoughts on how she acted.

Again, the issue wasn't so much that Mady asked for water and was refused. It was Kate's response. She heard Mady's request, got water for herself and then set it aside knowing Mady was thirsty. All because they were going to be interviewed. I'm sure Mady's answer to the question 'Do you think your Mom is a good Mom' was a nice little jab to show her displeasure at Kate's insensitivity. That's my take on it anyway.

You make some very good points. May I say, too, that I hate it when a child is referred to as a "drama queen"? As you point out, there are usually reasons kids head in this direction. Maybe getting them some professional help with their "issues" would be better than just sighing and labeling them.

I keep hoping someone will step in and seriously advocate for the children. Kate needs to put their emotional and physical welfare first--but that doesn't seem to be where her head is at these days. Maybe some outside guidance would make a difference.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Kate has issued a statement regarding Leah's spanking:
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/06/17/kate-gosselin-spanking/

I am so tired of magazines sensationalizing the situations with people. The front page of this magazine reads "Caught hitting her daughter". Spanking a child for behavior and hitting a child are two very different things.

 

[madge]

I am so tired of magazines sensationalizing the situations with people. The front page of this magazine reads "Caught hitting her daughter". Spanking a child for behavior and hitting a child are two very different things.

I understand what you're saying and agree that the magazine is over the top .. this was totally done to sell magazines. with that said, there are (generalized) people out there who absolutely believe spanking is hitting a child, period.

 

[DMRick]

It depends if the cop wants to be a hard ***.

If Kate felt that the kids weren't safe outside why didn't she take the kids inside? I know for a fact that the driveway has a gate. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't have a security system too. So if the "p" people were making her kids feel unsafe why would she still be outside??? For that matter why would you still be doing a TV show?

Doesn't matter..she can't win. You can have your way. She's a horrible mother, no one here would ever spank their child when they are doing something they shouldn't (at least not in front of the camera's..better to do it in private..unless you have nothing to hide), Kate should just lock the kids in the house, rather than deal with it by calling the authorities. God forbid she should think they shouldn't be encrouching on her property. Better she should have waited until they chase her down in the car with kids in it. She shouldn't have a bodyguard, she shouldn't be able to be on her front lawn, whatever. Her kids should ride bikes on the grass, because people know the back yard couldn't possibly allow the paparazzi to take photo's. Everything she does is wrong. If she plays with the kids, it's for the camera's, if she stays inside, she's letting someone else bring her kids up, if she let's Mady get away with her mouth, she's a bad mother, if she disciplines a child, she should have the CPS on her. If she accepts play houses for the kids, as part of the show they are on, shame on her, she should buy them, so the manufacturer can donate the ones meant for Kate's kids. She can't dress right, she can't do her hair right, she doesn't clean, or cook and she sits in a chair while her children play (unless she's playing with them..then it's for the camera's). A playful swat on Emeril's arm has turned into a hit, and she's just a big witch, that no one gets along with. I just don't understand why the heck TLC has this show on the air, since apparently it has no value.
I honestly don't know why many of you bother to either watch the show, or follow all the threads or look at all the pictures. You could just wake up in the morning and say..ah, another day, another time that Kate can do nothing right, or at least not as right as I would do them. You don't even have to look at anything to know whatever she does is wrong.