Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[madge]

..and what if she isn't having an affair. Is she a victim then, or can't Kate ever be a victim? Is she always the bad guy, no matter what her husband does. Just wondering.

hey .. I didn't say affair. I said relationship. Kate and the bodyguard have a relationship .. they do, it may just be a working relationship or it may be more. No one knows for sure. That's what I'm asking, since Jon's been outed, will the spotlight turn to them? This is another case of damned if she does, damned if she doesn't deals .. I'd love to see definitive proof one way or the other.

I think the bottom line is becoming clearer, at least it is to me. It's impossible to deal with a marriage/relationship in private when you're living in public. And it's it's even harder to deal with it when you're obviously in different places. Literally and figuratively.

FWIW, I think they're both the bad guy.

 

[themilesfamily]

Re: Jon & pics of him in Utah with Deanna

Yuck. I don't care what kind of an agreement he and Kate have. Wait until you're actually divorced before you go on the prowl for someone new.

And I've never understood people who jump from one relationship to the next. I think it's a mistake, when you're coming out of a dysfunctional relationship -- especially a marriage -- to jump right back into a new relationship with someone else.

And he's not even OUT of this relationship with Kate. Not legally, not according to whatever vows I'm assuming he took -- and RETOOK so recently in Hawaii.

I don't mean to be judgemental -- I just think he's making a really big mistake pursuing this relationship (as it appears he's doing) while he's still married. Isn't he the one who said that his kids would Google him someday and read about him? Pics of him with another woman while he's still married -- on his wife's birthday -- what kind of a lesson is he teaching his kids -- those soon to be teenagers and young adults?

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Should I be hiding my head in shame? I've done the same. Given something when we could least afford it (my husband was in his 11th week of a GE strike and because he was a apprentice, we did not get union or unemployment pay, it was Thanksgiving and we had nada) and been rewarded. I was actually rewarded that time many times over for an inexpensive act of kindness (and that's just my belief, your mileage may differ, as to why I was rewarded at that particular time in my life). Now, I won't say I do give for the reward, but it's a very 'unreal' experience when something like this happens. I would share that it happened if I thought it would make people understand me better, see the good in others (the person who gave to me, not that I gave to others) and how I it made me feel. Again, I can't say more..that darn religious rule.

No, I don't think you should hang your head in shame. I'm talking about Kate here, who every time she does a good deed, she broadcasts it to the world and makes sure that everyone knows. She wants those pats on the back, IMO. THere's a difference with sharing a heartwarming story and Kate. I always feel like I have to add the disclaimer: Just my opinion, you don't have to agree with me. It won't hurt my feelings!!!

 

[Epcot luvr]

Re: Jon & pics of him in Utah with Deanna

Yuck. I don't care what kind of an agreement he and Kate have. Wait until you're actually divorced before you go on the prowl for someone new.

And I've never understood people who jump from one relationship to the next. I think it's a mistake, when you're coming out of a dysfunctional relationship -- especially a marriage -- to jump right back into a new relationship with someone else.

And he's not even OUT of this relationship with Kate. Not legally, not according to whatever vows I'm assuming he took -- and RETOOK so recently in Hawaii.

I don't mean to be judgemental -- I just think he's making a really big mistake pursuing this relationship (as it appears he's doing) while he's still married. Isn't he the one who said that his kids would Google him someday and read about him? Pics of him with another woman while he's still married -- on his wife's birthday -- what kind of a lesson is he teaching his kids -- those soon to be teenagers and young adults?

The problem remains the same we don't know the entire story. Maybe she was cheating( or having a relationship) first, who knows what he might have walked in on. I think he was really stupid to get photographed, I believe they had an agreement and it was when Deeana's brother spoke up Kate and Jon's plan hit the fan. I think if the brother had not spoken up seasons 5,6,7,8,9 (especially the stuff that was already taped), would have continued along without a squeak. I do not approve of either of their behaviors, it is BizarreO world for me.

 

[themilesfamily]

The problem remains the same we don't know the entire story. Maybe she was cheating( or having a relationship) first, who knows what he might have walked in on..... I do not approve of either of their behaviors, it is BizarreO world for me.

Say she was cheating -- does that justify him doing it, too? I don't think it makes it right -- OR smart on his part. And these pics in the media can only do more damage to the kids down the road. (And isn't that who it's ALL ABOUT according to Jon & Kate?? -- ya right!)

I SOOOO agree with you about it being BizarreO world -- good way to put it! I think it's gotten to the point where it's "who can be colder to the other -- who can dig the knife in deeper -- who can hurt the other more."

 

[DreaGirl]

Bring on the flames, I think she got veneers, I am going on record saying they are veneers.

I agree. Her teeth look strangely big and really white to me.

 

[nuke]

I think the most disgusting thing about the both of them is that farce of a vow renewal last August.
I find it had to believe that anyone would think that was anything more than playing to cameras at this point.

 

[blissventure]

Say she was cheating -- does that justify him doing it, too? I don't think it makes it right -- OR smart on his part. And these pics in the media can only do more damage to the kids down the road. (And isn't that who it's ALL ABOUT according to Jon & Kate?? -- ya right!)

I SOOOO agree with you about it being BizarreO world -- good way to put it! I think it's gotten to the point where it's "who can be colder to the other -- who can dig the knife in deeper -- who can hurt the other more."

What a great description--Bizzaro world. Quoting you, " it's gotten to the point where it's "who can be colder to the other -- who can dig the knife in deeper -- who can hurt the other more." (I'd only add this, hope it's OK with you) ....While at the exact same time both Jon and Kate insist (I'm paraphrasing here) that the kids are all very happy, they're doing just fantastic!!!!!

I'm thinking all eight kids have eyes and ears. One of the worst things that can happen in situations of separation (and sometimes the eventual divorce) is that some parents blithely minimize the confusion, sadness and grief of the children by just flat out ignoring their pain.

 

[marshallandcartersmo]

I think the most disgusting thing about the both of them is that farce of a vow renewal last August.
I find it had to believe that anyone would think that was anything more than playing to cameras at this point.

Vow renewal my big fat foot. It was just yet another ploy to get something free.

 

[blissventure]

Vow renewal my big fat foot. It was just yet another ploy to get something free.

I guess they promised to make up some words in exchange for an all expense paid vacation to Hawaii.
Oh, and we'll zip you to Kleinfeld's too, so you can choose a dress (or, in Kate's case, insist on combining TWO dresses for your "vow" renewal)...I was amazed at Kate's behavior during that episode of Say yes to the dress. She seemed like she was working on an audition for one of the Bridezilla shows.

Hmmmmm...If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....

 

[Kycha]

I know! Why?! It cracks me up every time I see her with "Mr. Gray" following her and she is acting like she is so important. I guess I can understand with the kids around (although, that would be my first red flag that I was doing something very wrong, when I felt I needed bodyguards to protect my kids from people in the public, and the reason I needed to do that was because I had exploited them and splashed them all over the media - when you fear for your kids enough to get a bodyguard, maybe it's time to get them out of the public eye?) But why does Kate need one when she is traveling? She is just trashy tat Kate from Reading, PA. I hardly think she needs to fear for her safety. All she would need to do is downplay herself a little and wear a ball cap to cover that crazy wacky hair and some shades (preferably brown or black and not the tacky white embellished ones) and no one would look twice at her. For goodness sake, we see pictures of REAL celebritys all the time walking their kids in carriages around new york and LA with no security. It is nuts.

Seriously? Have you read some of the vile crap people spew over on GWoP? I don't blame Kate one bit for having bodyguards after reading just a few of the posts over there. There are some real hateful people out there. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Kate or the kids had been threatened.

Those pics just don't look like the same girl to me. Are we sure it is her? She looks so much younger than the girl in the car at 2 am to me. This Utah girl looks like a gawky 13 yo kid--the skinniness, the teeth...she just looks so darn young.

I guess it is the same gal but I would never think it was on my own w/o them telling me it is.

I thought the same thing, that it's not the same girl. But, I googled for pics of her and it does appear to be the same girl.
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/05/14/jon-gosselin-introducing-deanna-hummel/comment-page-2/

 

[madge]

I think the most disgusting thing about the both of them is that farce of a vow renewal last August.
I find it had to believe that anyone would think that was anything more than playing to cameras at this point.

it was a free vacation. nothing more, nothing less.

Jon and Kate must be some kind of something to inspire a production company, TV network, and companies far and wide into giving them so much, so quickly.

 

[Mom2Nick]

I think the most disgusting thing about the both of them is that farce of a vow renewal last August.
I find it had to believe that anyone would think that was anything more than playing to cameras at this point.

I thought back when it happened that it was nothing more then a show for ratings and a way for Kate to get something she was initially denied. I never thought it was actually about them celebrating their 9th anniversary.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Thanks for the pics of Deanna, Kycha. DEFINITELY the same girl in the pics with Jon in Utah.

I don't mean this as a mean comment, however I know it will come across this way, but she doesn't really seem to be Jon's type. What is Jon's type?

I don't know, but I guess if he were going to be having an affair, it seems like he'd pick someone "hotter". Okay, torch me if you want. I'm not condoning an affair by any means at all, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying....

Cringing over here - I know the stones will be thrown!!!

 

[DreaGirl]

Thanks for the pics of Deanna, Kycha. DEFINITELY the same girl in the pics with Jon in Utah.

I don't mean this as a mean comment, however I know it will come across this way, but she doesn't really seem to be Jon's type. What is Jon's type?

I don't know, but I guess if he were going to be having an affair, it seems like he'd pick someone "hotter". Okay, torch me if you want. I'm not condoning an affair by any means at all, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying....

Cringing over here - I know the stones will be thrown!!!

I read once that when people have affairs it isn't really about the looks of the other person, but how the person makes them feel. Maybe they are getting ignored at home and this new person makes them feel important.

 

[nuke]

Thanks for the pics of Deanna, Kycha. DEFINITELY the same girl in the pics with Jon in Utah.

I don't mean this as a mean comment, however I know it will come across this way, but she doesn't really seem to be Jon's type. What is Jon's type?

I don't know, but I guess if he were going to be having an affair, it seems like he'd pick someone "hotter". Okay, torch me if you want. I'm not condoning an affair by any means at all, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying....

Cringing over here - I know the stones will be thrown!!!

Jon always said he prefers blonds.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

I read once that when people have affairs it isn't really about the looks of the other person, but how the person makes them feel. Maybe they are getting ignored at home and this new person makes them feel important.

You are absolutely right. I thought about that after I posted.

I had a friend who had an affair with a man who was twelve years older than her, and to me he was no prize, but she was head over heels for him because he made her feel pretty and important in his life.

She called off the affair b/c she realized what she was doing to her family. Thank goodness, too, because it was really hard to watch a marriage unfold that way.

 

[Kycha]

people magazine scan:
http://preesi.lefora.com/2009/06/04/people-mag-scans-june-15-2009/page1/

I just have to say Jon's desciptions of his kids are just too cute. Especially the ones of Aaden and Joel.

I read once that when people have affairs it isn't really about the looks of the other person, but how the person makes them feel. Maybe they are getting ignored at home and this new person makes them feel important.

And it doesn't hurt that Jon and this girl are pretty much at the same maturity level. Jon always struck me as very immature.

 

[DMRick]

In this posting, it sounds like Kate took the boys out after she took the girls out:
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/06/04/kate-gosselin-ferry/

So who is her friend with the baby?

I have to say, I really don't get all the Kate hate. John's been shown with pictures of his 'friend' in the middle of the night. He's been off to Utah with her on Kate's birthday. Kate was accused of holding hands with her bodyguard, although no one had a cell phone with them to take pictures, so so far we have nothing to show she really had an affair (and I'm not saying she isn't), unless you count all the pictures of her and her bodyguard where they cut off the other people with them.
Kate is mean to Jon on the show loudly, and he is mean back to her, albeit quieter. Jon says he wants out of the show, but it's Kate's fault that they are still in it. Uh, if he really wanted out of the show, couldn't he pay up the fine, and be out of it. Or is it that he wants his freedom, but wants the money the show brings. But it's OK for him to say he wants out and stay, but not OK for her to say she enjoys what she is doing and staying.
Kate was a bad girl for staying on vacation or shooting or whatever, while the twins went back to their dad and school, but if Kate keeps them out of school she's scum.
Just to add to this, shame on Kate for getting her hair done, and dressing nice, etc, all the junk I said earlier, but no one says anything about what a bum Jon looks like in his ripped up jeans and playing with his belly button.
Nope, I really don't get it.

 

[LoraJ]

In this posting, it sounds like Kate took the boys out after she took the girls out:
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/06/04/kate-gosselin-ferry/

So who is her friend with the baby?

I have to say, I really don't get all the Kate hate. John's been shown with pictures of his 'friend' in the middle of the night. He's been off to Utah with her on Kate's birthday. Kate was accused of holding hands with her bodyguard, although no one had a cell phone with them to take pictures, so so far we have nothing to show she really had an affair (and I'm not saying she isn't), unless you count all the pictures of her and her bodyguard where they cut off the other people with them.
Kate is mean to Jon on the show loudly, and he is mean back to her, albeit quieter. Jon says he wants out of the show, but it's Kate's fault that they are still in it. Uh, if he really wanted out of the show, couldn't he pay up the fine, and be out of it. Or is it that he wants his freedom, but wants the money the show brings. But it's OK for him to say he wants out and stay, but not OK for her to say she enjoys what she is doing and staying.
Kate was a bad girl for staying on vacation or shooting or whatever, while the twins went back to their dad and school, but if Kate keeps them out of school she's scum.
Just to add to this, shame on Kate for getting her hair done, and dressing nice, etc, all the junk I said earlier, but no one says anything about what a bum Jon looks like in his ripped up jeans and playing with his belly button.
Nope, I really don't get it.