Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

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http://www.usmagazine.com/news/witness-kate-completely-ignored-kids-on-trip-200926-0

PS. I may or may not ask/tell my children not to get me wet at the pool .. :rolleyes1 BUT, I do not tell them they're dead meat if they do. I usually threaten to make them sit on the sidelines in time out.

I also believe the exchange at the pool did happen .. given Mady's attitude before, I wouldn't doubt she said that. She's said similar on national TV.

What is the point of having 6 kids at a pool, to have fun and get splashed! Mayeb the childless by choice route if you dont' want to get a little wet at the beach.
I agree about Mady. I still wonder what the kids call Steve, Uncle Steve? I don't think a five year old knows the difference between an uncle and a bodyguard.
 
admittedly, I skimmed .. is he literally a worm and I missed it?:rotfl:

I think it said he was a centipede actually....;)

why do you think Octomom has her panties in a wad? it's taking away attention from her.

someone else will be flavor of the month, soon .. I think people are getting tired of hearing about Jon and Kate.

It probably has to do with the fact that Kate did all those talk shows right after the 8 were born. I can assume OctoMom wasn't very happy with Kate questioning her choices.
 
What is the point of having 6 kids at a pool, to have fun and get splashed! Mayeb the childless by choice route if you dont' want to get a little wet at the beach.

the childless by choice route? are you kidding me?

because I don't want to get wet, I should make my children stay home from the pool? that seems pretty selfish to me.
 
I too, don't like my kids to splash me at the pool. But then my picture isn't plastered on all the tabloids and I don't have other vacationers watching my every move and my every word coming out of my mouth. Kate could have rented a house with a private pool. There are SO many ways she could stay out of the spotlight and she doesn't so that tells me that she is enjoying all the attention, which makes me sick.
 

I have taken my kids to the pool plenty of times and told them not to splash me. I'm in NC and a week or so ago my dad's pool was around 72°, no way would I want to be splashed. Also, when we go to the beach I tell my kids not to throw sand on me. I have no real problem with the water thing.
 

"Barring more rumors of infidelity, expect the numbers to continue to trend downward over the next few weeks. While filming for the premiere episode was not finished until the last minute, many other episodes for this season were already in the can before Jon started getting photographed with a woman who wasn't his wife."

Hopefully the downward spiral will continue.. :thumbsup2:thumbsup2

I hope the poor girls aren't getting pummeled with gossip at school (thinking Mady and Cara) since it looks like it's even in their local news: http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/0602_Jon_Gosselin_Kate_Gosselin_Scandal


It's naive - at best - to believe that Mady & Cara have been sheltered from the scandals that are swirling all around Jon & Kate.. The last show that I chose to watch (the Season 5 premiere episode) I had all I could do to keep from choking on my coffee when Kate said something along the lines of, "When you see someones photo on the cover of a tabloid magazine, do you ever stop to think that there is a real person involved?" Guess she forgot that there are 8 little people involved as well and if she doesn't want all this stuff splashed all over the media, it's up to her and Jon to put a stop to it - beginning with pulling the plug on the show..

Can't believe how many pages here are devoted to talking about Kate's bikini, her physical shape, her tan, her haircut, her "girls", and the placement of her belly button.. Serious stuff.. :rotfl::rotfl:

She's very attractive for her age - I'll give her that..:)
 
the childless by choice route? are you kidding me?

because I don't want to get wet, I should make my children stay home from the pool? that seems pretty selfish to me.

I don't think the poster meant to leave your kids home - "Childless by choice" is a term used by people that choose to not have children so I am guessing she is saying you shouldn't have kids if you don't like getting wet at the pool :lmao::lmao::lmao:

I do not get in the pool nor do I enjoy being splashed either but I really enjoy watching my kids swim and have fun. Guess I should have thought twice about having kids though with my issues with not liking to swim and get wet :rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:
 
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Sorry I do no have the link I am rushing around this morning, if it was not posted US online has a new post, part of an article regarding Kate's trip to NC. The other guests are talking, Kate does not come out smelling like oranges. The guest use their full names, there is also a quote with a full name of a friend of Jon's brother in People magazine. I am sure all the Kate luvers will not believe a word. I on the other hand, most certainly do.


This means nothing to me because some people love or would love to see their name in print in a magazine or newspaper. These people know that any negative press about Jon and Kate will almost garantee a story. It is no different than people from Jon and Kate's past coming out of the wood work to say negative things about them.
Do I believe everything in the article? Not really. I might have believed more if someone also had any positive comments to give. It is easy to focus on the negatve and that is what is sellling the mags. right now.
 
We go to a resort every year or so that has a beautiful pool. The kids would live in it if they could, I spend time with them in the pool and sometimes I just watch because I don't want to get wet, maybe because we are going out to eat soon or I was already in the pool 1/2 the day or whatever and I've told the kids not to splash me, true I didn't have to worry about anyone reporting to the media, but I've done it and I may have even used the dead meat thing, because sometimes with kids, who can't imagine not wanting to get wet, you have to stress the term "don't splash me" with some consequences. :teeth:
 
http://www.accesshollywood.com/jon-...them-regardless-of-what-happens_article_18747

this confirms what's been suspected for some time .. in spite of repetetive begging from fans, asking Jon and Kate to take some time off for the sake of their family, Jon & Kate are rolling full steam ahead. Sometimes they'll be together, and sometimes they'll be apart. My guess is that they won't divorce. Not until the show is over and there's no reason for them to be perceived as together.
 
this confirms what's been suspected for some time .. in spite of repetetive begging from fans, asking Jon and Kate to take some time off for the sake of their family, Jon & Kate are rolling full steam ahead. Sometimes they'll be together, and sometimes they'll be apart. My guess is that they won't divorce. Not until the show is over and there's no reason for them to be perceived as together.

I agree. And as you know, some have said, take time off, others have said that this marriage has been broken for a long time, and shutting down the show isn't going to change that. I don't agree that the kids are suddenly exploited and they weren't before (and most on here didn't think they were exploited in the past, and yet how much has really changed in their lives as far as being exploited or not?).
The definition is:
1. to utilize, esp. for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity.
2. to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.
3. to advance or further through exploitation; promote: He exploited his new movie through a series of guest appearances.

They have been paid since the begining, I didn't see people up in arms and posting how much they are exploited back then. If someone can prove that the parents did not give them any money, or use the money for their upbringing, then I would agree about the exploiting.

I have no idea if they are exploited, because I am not privy to their bank accounts, to see if this is something that will help them in the future, and if the kids get to keep a chunk of money. But as I said, the parents were paid even when they seemed to love each other and most had no problem then (a few will say they did, but it didn't come out much until the parents had marriage problems, that I can find). Just because we see what we want to see and discuss all the ramifications, we really don't know squat as to what is happening with the kids. It's easy to armchair it and say, I just know it, but really, this is a discussion board, and while it's interesting to discuss it, we don't really know it.

This isn't the first couple not getting along, that the kids get to watch. Although once in a while someone will say their divorce was peaceful, breaking up is breaking up and it hurts the kids no matter what. Just because you aren't on TV, doesn't mean you don't know that mom or dad cheated, abused, or whatever reason someone divorced. I've learned so much about people on the dis' divorces that I know they are seldom little private affairs.

Dirt is getting thrown all over the rags, in that case, I see that. I know there is more for the kids to see. But I also know that mom's and dad's often throw dirt during non celebrity divorces too, and who is to say that one hurts the kids more than others. Divorce may be the best thing for these kids, who knows. We have no idea what is really going on in the privacy of their home, just as we don't know that of anyone the dis, or relatives, etc.

But in spite of what the parents are going through, without knowing if the only people keeping the money is the parents, we don't know if they are being exploited.
 
someone else will be flavor of the month, soon .. I think people are getting tired of hearing about Jon and Kate.

Totally agreed! How much more dirt can they dig up (unless one of them does something stupid)??

In regards to the getting wet/not getting wet discussion, I tell my kids - especially when we're at the beach - to not splash me. I do not like salt water and do not like it on me. (Why did we move 15 minutes from the ocean you ask??? To get out of the cold and snow! :rotfl2: ) I have told my DSs I will "beat you" if you can't listen. Does that mean I'm going to beat them?? No...I'll probably say it 27 more times before I make them sit down or finally get tired of it and leave. Does my DS4 think I'm mean? Nope....he tells me (and everyone in our neighborhood!) that I'm mean AND evil! :lmao: And one neighbor (who happens to be my former boss - we still work together!) knows this is true! :rotfl2: People tell me all the time I'm strict with my kids but I also get many, many compliments about how well behaved they are so I don't see myself changing things any time too soon....I think they'll be ok. :goodvibes
 
the childless by choice route? are you kidding me?

because I don't want to get wet, I should make my children stay home from the pool? that seems pretty selfish to me.

Madge,
No, no I did not mean you at all, I meant it for Kate, "childless by choice" is a phrase that is used by people of a certain age who tire of answering why they do not have kids, they tire of the pity, being told they are selfish ect. It is hard to get sarcasm across on the web sometimes, I meant it for Kate, 6, 5year olds and 2 eight year olds getting wet/dirty/messy comes with the territory.
 
I agree. And as you know, some have said, take time off, others have said that this marriage has been broken for a long time, and shutting down the show isn't going to change that.

that's very true.

which makes me wonder ... TLC/Jon & Kate are going with this new format, and from the looks of this NC filming and the recent Kate/Mady trip, they're going to be showing some of the kids on outings with one parent, while the other children are at home with dad or mom. (looks to be dad, so far) Occasionally Jon will be around for interviews, and won't be for the rest. Will the show be able to sustain it's ratings and fan base this way? Will there be excuses for Jon's absence every time?

The ratings were declining at the end of season 4, there were more and more complaints about Kate losing her relatablity to other moms, viewers weren't loving the trips, etc. The recent media attention is showing some signs of backfiring .. people are over Jon and Kate, LOL. I'm sure that's not what Kate wanted for her planned "branding" of herself. I think we may see a pretty sharp drop off, or at least steadying of the ratings soon .. unless some solid proof or new information comes out.

They have been paid since the begining, I didn't see people up in arms and posting how much they are exploited back then.

Maybe not on this thread, but the TWoP board thread (which has been removed from TWoP) was around as early as 2008 ... maybe even earlier. I'm not really sure, since I didn't post over there. Gosselins Without Pity, the blog, started in April 2008, as a result of the closing of that message board thread. Whether one believes the motives or not, they claim to be concerned about the children.

But in spite of what the parents are going through, without knowing if the only people keeping the money is the parents, we don't know if they are being exploited.

that's very true.

I'm of the mindset that they're being filmed too much, but not exploited. Exploited is such a harsh word. To me, these kids live their lives on display .. which I find sad on it's own.

The events of the last month, exploitation accusations aside, are why they need to get off TV. Jon and Kate aren't celebrities or important people .. they're popular right now because they're willing to let their lives be portrayed as sensational tabloid journalism crap. What a legacy they've left for those beautiful children.
 
Will there be excuses for Jon's absence every time?
I think with so many single parents that that would be TLC's dream. I don't think the viewer's will buy it, if the 'fancy' trips continue (taking 8 kids to the zoo, park, ocean, etc might work) and Kate has tons of help. But I'm thinking this is spinning into a single mom with 8 kids storyline. I really don't buy that no one likes Kate, and I do wonder if it sells more rag copies if they only put those interviews in the mags. I think their true friends and their church are keeping out of it, and keeping their mouths shut.


Maybe not on this thread, but the TWoP board thread (which has been removed from TWoP) was around as early as 2008 ... maybe even earlier. I'm not really sure, since I didn't post over there. Gosselins Without Pity, the blog, started in April 2008, as a result of the closing of that message board thread. Whether one believes the motives or not, they claim to be concerned about the children.

I don't read there because there is so much hate, and I see that as an extension of Jodi (it is her sister keeping that hate going, isn't it?). I think those people are claiming they are for the kids, but instead are helping to create more of a mess that hurts the kids. I was just talking about these four threads.
I'm of the mindset that they're being filmed too much, but not exploited. Exploited is such a harsh word. To me, these kids live their lives on display .. which I find sad on it's own.
The events of the last month, exploitation accusations aside, are why they need to get off TV. Jon and Kate aren't celebrities or important people .. they're popular right now because they're willing to let their lives be portrayed as sensational tabloid journalism crap. What a legacy they've left for those beautiful children.

I am hoping they will be yesterday's news on the tabloid's so the show can continue. I personally think they really didn't realize what this would turn into (just an opinion). No matter the reason, I think Jon started it by thinking he could have it both ways, but it's hard to go back. I think the kids for the most part enjoy it. As long as Kate and Jon were being truthful, that if the kids don't want to be on, they don't have to it could work. I had read that sometimes Cara and Mady go to a friends house during taping, when they don't want to be taped and I haven't read where anyone denies that.
 
I don't read there because there is so much hate, and I see that as an extension of Jodi (it is her sister keeping that hate going, isn't it?). I think those people are claiming they are for the kids, but instead are helping to create more of a mess that hurts the kids. I was just talking about these four threads.

I wondered if you were only talking about here on the DIS .. and you're right, there's not been much exploitation talk here. I can remember last summer there was some talk about lighting, or how long they were filming, but it was simply part of the conversation .. not a call for action. LOL.

I stumbled onto Julie's (Aunt Jodi's sister) blog before I ever knew about GWoP. IIRC, Julie's blog was born out of a Facebook support group/thread for Jodi and GWoP started when TWoP closed their message boards. According to this post, Julie found GWoP in June 2008, about a month after she started her Truth Breeds Hatred blog. Julie is an occasional contributor at Gosselins Without Pity, but does maintain her own blog.

I think they both add to the mess, along with a couple of other major anti-Gosselin blogs. Then there is a competition of sorts between the love-Kate and anti-Kate blogs... sometimes that's more entertaining than anything Jon and Kate could put into their TV show. :upsidedow
 
http://www.usmagazine.com/photos/see-kate-gosselin-in-high-school?slideshow_id=1124&o=18

Has anyone seen these yearbook photos of Kate?

(You'll have to push the back button since I copied the link at the end of the slideshow)
OMG! Thanks for posting those pics. I had no idea Kate went to Mt. Calvary. When I was growing up, a lot of kids in my neighborhood went to that school. We even shared a school bus(I went to the local Parochial school). I think I recognize 1 or 2 of the other students in some of those pics.

I also just found out that my DH has been working at the Gosselin's church(Glad Tidings). They are putting on a new addition and DH is installing the sprinkler system. I can't recall, but is this the same church that the sextuplets attend preschool? I picked him up from work a couple of times and saw kids running around in the playground. I wonder if the Gosselin kids were there.
 
Sorry I do no have the link I am rushing around this morning, if it was not posted US online has a new post, part of an article regarding Kate's trip to NC. The other guests are talking, Kate does not come out smelling like oranges. The guest use their full names, there is also a quote with a full name of a friend of Jon's brother in People magazine. I am sure all the Kate luvers will not believe a word. I on the other hand, most certainly do.

1. Kevin and Jodi proudly used their full names and I'm not sure I believe every word that has come out of their mouths.

2. Just because I don't think Jon and/or Kate are 100% guilty of the accusations being flung doesn't mean I'm a "Kate luver."

3. Everyone, even other tourists in NC, wants 15 minutes of fame.
 
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