Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[WaltD4Me]

Jon looks like he got hold of a bedazzler, with his dimanique studs.

Who told him that looked good??

Seems Jon entered some sort of time travel warp and he thinks he has been transported back to his swinging mid-90's bachelor days. (with more money and minus the pesky living with mom thing)

 

[DMRick]

Didn't a drunk limo driver cause Diana's untimely demise as much as the pap (who I agree have no scruples)?

Not that I've ever heard. I've never heard he was drunk. He (the driver)was supposedly trying to dodge the paparazzi. One of the more popular theories is that a paparzzi shot off a flash, into the eyes of the driver..but there are a lot of theories, and most have to do with the paparzzi. We visited the site shortly after it happened on a visit to relatives in France and it was a dark, narrow tunnel. I could clearly see how having pap swarming could make driving difficult.

And no, until recently I hadn't thought the Gosselin kids had 'seen' so much more than other celebrities kids. It may be because of my age (been around longer), but there have been a lot of celebrity kids followings over the years that I have seen, and a lot of not favorable press on these kids, from what they look like to stories about their parents. Some of the celebrity kids have been involved with their parent s alcohol and drugs, and gotten caught up in sex at an early age. Some non celebrity kids have been caught up in the same. But this is the first time that I can remember, that so many people love to actually hate someone. I've read that some people think it's jealousy. I don't know what it is, but I would have trouble looking at myself in the mirror with some of the things posted in the rags. I think we (general) can be concerned about the kids without spewing hate.

Again, I wish the courts would look at what the paparazzi does to people. If you be a Kennedy child, a celebrity child, or a Gosselin child, there should be limits set.

And now.,.my foster kittens are all adopted (yeah!), the four new ones are at the adoption clinic with others, I have none coming for 3 weeks, because I'm having company, and I'm out to celebrate Father's Day with my family and DH!

 

[Mom2Nick]

Not that I've ever heard. I've never heard he was drunk. He (the driver)was supposedly trying to dodge the paparazzi. One of the more popular theories is that a paparzzi shot off a flash, into the eyes of the driver..but there are a lot of theories, and most have to do with the paparzzi. We visited the site shortly after it happened on a visit to relatives in France and it was a dark, narrow tunnel. I could clearly see how having pap swarming could make driving difficult.

The flash may be a theory but the driver was legally intoxicated and should not have been driving that car under ANY circumstances.

 

[Epcot luvr]

OT, who is ED HARDY? I have lived in SoCal almost a year now and EVERYONE here is wearing Ed Hardy clothing...from hats to sneakers. Celebrities are donned in all Ed Hardy apparel.
Thanks.

I do not like all that Ed Hardy junk, it is some French dude, Christian Augier somehting something, who manufactures/designs the stuff. It became a popular brand with trucker hat a few years back and Paris Hilton and the likes wore it. 5 years it was cool, I guess the fact Jon is sporting it speaks volumes of how it has become suburban mainstream fashion, still very over priced. They have tons of knock offs out there, they even sell the stuff at TJ Max. I give it two thumns down. I guess Jon thinks it is cool and real rebelious to wear.

 

[OceanAnnie]

i actualy believe that even if jon knew for a fact that kate had/is cheating it would be a tremendously saavy move on his (or a p/r rep's part) not to make any public comment on it. the real reality of a divorce and child custody is it is not something that the "court of public opinion" will make the final decision on. if the 2 adults cannot make a mutual agreement it will come down to a family law judge. the family law judge will look to the public and private PROVEN behaviour of the parents-and it could look tremendously beneficial for jon to be able to demonstrate that he purposely withheld the information in an effort to prevent diminishing his children's perecption of their mother.

i'm not say this is what he is doing, but when it comes down to dollars and cents (if that's what this is all about), so long as he does'nt bash her in the media she can be somewhat perceived as the wronged spouse and there is the potential for the show (or her income revenues to continue), he can then go to court, and if he truely has'nt cheated can come out as the person who when asked about it by the media was truthful, "took his children's best interests to heart" and "took the high road" by not saying against their mother-and walk away with generous custody of his children as well as spousal support based on any contracts kate has entered into prior to the formal dissolution of the marriage.

I don't see anything Jon has done as being beneficial. Jon didn't take the high road by any means and he certainly didn't have his children's best interests at heart. Pictures of him cavorting with a 23 year old along with pictures of him in different stages of inebriation with young women tell a story about his behavior. He hasn't been with his wife and family. He didn't put them first. Didn't and hasn't put his children first. His behavior, independent of his wife's isn't pretty and that would come heavily into play in a divorce court (if in fact that's where it's headed --- which it seems to be).

Just my .02.

 

[mousey]

I do not see any comparison between Princess Di and Kate Gosselin. Princess Di was loved by everyone (except maybe her husband) and Kate Gosselin is hated by just about everyone (including her husband and notice I said "just about everyone" for people who still believe in her). Many articles have said Kate encourages the papparazzi and that was not the case with Princess Di. The only thing these two have in common is that they are both women. Princess Di did many wonderful things for charities, etc.....Kate basically does nothing but complain and feel sorry for herself.

 

[mum4jenn]

Oh and I noticed on some show...(maybe the TVguide one) that Gloria Allred is talking about the situation. I wonder if Kate has retained her as her attorney for once the big announcement is made? Who knows....? Although I do think she said something about that they needed to stop the show so I guess if that is her thoughts that maybe Kate would not retain her!!

Then again the important decision to be announced on Monday could just be "Where are the Crooked Houses going?"

 

[brockash]

I don't see anything Jon has done as being beneficial. Jon didn't take the high road by any means and he certainly didn't have his children's best interests at heart. Pictures of him cavorting with a 23 year old along with pictures of him in different stages of inebriation with young women tell a story about his behavior. He hasn't been with his wife and family. He didn't put them first. Didn't and hasn't put his children first. His behavior, independent of his wife's isn't pretty and that would come heavily into play in a divorce court (if in fact that's where it's headed --- which it seems to be).

Just my .02.

ITA. From a court/judges standpoint, through everything we know so far. I have to say in regards to custody, Kate has the obvious upper-hand (if it comes to that,) although I have to say, that while I think Jon absolutely loves his kids to death, I really don't think he would even want the responsibilty (not to mention that he's basically stated that himself.)

 

[1stluvispooh]

ITA. From a court/judges standpoint, through everything we know so far. I have to say in regards to custody, Kate has the obvious upper-hand (if it comes to that,) although I have to say, that while I think Jon absolutely loves his kids to death, I really don't think he would even want the responsibilty (not to mention that he's basically stated that himself.)

How so?

 

[longstangetrip]

Not that I've ever heard. I've never heard he was drunk. He (the driver)was supposedly trying to dodge the paparazzi. One of the more popular theories is that a paparzzi shot off a flash, into the eyes of the driver..but there are a lot of theories, and most have to do with the paparzzi.

And no, until recently I hadn't thought the Gosselin kids had 'seen' so much more than other celebrities kids. It may be because of my age (been around longer), but there have been a lot of celebrity kids followings over the years that I have seen, and a lot of not favorable press on these kids, from what they look like to stories about their parents. Some of the celebrity kids have been involved with their parent s alcohol and drugs, and gotten caught up in sex at an early age. Some non celebrity kids have been caught up in the same.

Again, I wish the courts would look at what the paparazzi does to people. If you be a Kennedy child, a celebrity child, or a Gosselin child, there should be limits set.

Al Fayed still says Diana and his son were murdered because the British royal family "could not accept that an Egyptian Muslim could eventually be step-father to the future king of England," referring to Prince William. I agree, they are all theories.

I don't know what the drugs, alcohol or sex you mentioned have to do with the Gosselin kids. What I'm still trying to say is there are NO children who I have ever seen on TV crying, eating, sleeping, pooping all over their cribs, going to the bathroom, being disciplined, fighting with their siblings, pitching a fit, having a birthday party, throwing up, going to the dentist, taking showers, getting physicals, talked about and analyzed by their parents, etc., etc. except the Gosselin children. I have never even heard Suri Cruise's voice, and I sure haven't seen her house, pets, or bedroom. The show reminds me of the Truman Show. I would love yearly updates.

Maria Shriver and Caroline Kennedy's children lead very private lives. They seem to be rarely photographed or reported on. As far as the pap goes, it seems like there is no chase if you don't run. This is a privacy trade off that goes along with celebrity status and perks. Is it right? Probably not, but it is what it is.

Glad you found homes for your baby cats! I'm an animal lover too; and involved with a local low cost spay/neuter clinic.

 

[brockash]

How so?

The fact that Kate was the (and I'm guessing, and by all looks of it from the "p ppl" probably moreso is again) the primary caretaker of the kids for the first however many years of their lives. Jon, as far as we know, kinda has done it for at most the last year, but speaks openly about how, while he loves his kids, he doesn't like being the SAHP and talks about how much work it is, taking care of all of them, and really puts off (at least to me) that he really doesn't enjoy it. Kate has always come off as the organized, responsible one. Also, if it's in fact true (who knows) that Jon is going to be living in New York (only speculations of course) courts generally, don't try to bounce kids around, swich them schools ect. They generally try to make it as stable as possible. I also agree with a pp that speaks about Jon going out and drinking with young women. The court could very well take his "behavior" into account and see it as something negative. The court could find that children would be better off with a parent that isn't going out at all hrs. of the night drinking, and possible (again speculation) drug use. If it comes down to it (which I don't think it will-if this happens at all) the court is going to look at who is more stable (emotionally-esp.) for the kids involved. They both obviously have their issues, but l like a pp. said it seems as if Jon is going through some kind of mid-life crisis, where he doesn't want to have to be responsible for anyone, but himself. Like he said on the last episode last season, he wants to just be Jon, not Jon and Kate plus 8. The problem is, he will never just be Jon again, he'll always be Jon plus his 8 kiddos, whether he wants that responsibility or not, but the court will look to see who's able and willing to be the full-time parent of all 8, and in my opinion, I don't think Jon would even fight it. I do think, he at the very least "thinks" it'd be fine for him to just have visitation with his kiddos, so like I said, if this divorce thing happens at all, I don't think they'll be a fight for custody. I'm sure they'll have an agreement.

 

[CookieGVB]

Say there is such a contract. What would be the point of it? Do people think that Kate would give Jon a bigger share of the money, if he signed such a thing? I mean, why would he need a contract? If he wanted to cheat, he would just cheat. What kind of binding contract would that be? How can you contract someone to be allowed to cheat? What would be his incentive to hold up the contract? What would he have gotten out of it? Can you actually contract someone to allow adultry?

It would probably be the difference between suing Jon for divorce with adultery as the reason and "irreconcilable differences" used instead. Sounds like Kate gave him an out in that regard. And Jon only had to agree to participate in the show - apparently there was nothing in there about him looking enthusiastic about participating - lately he's been looking like on every show, whether or not Kate is speaking.

I feel sorry for the kids - at least there's lots of money - they'll need it for counseling.

 

[CookieGVB]

I do not see any comparison between Princess Di and Kate Gosselin. Princess Di was loved by everyone (except maybe her husband) and Kate Gosselin is hated by just about everyone (including her husband and notice I said "just about everyone" for people who still believe in her). Many articles have said Kate encourages the papparazzi and that was not the case with Princess Di. The only thing these two have in common is that they are both women. Princess Di did many wonderful things for charities, etc.....Kate basically does nothing but complain and feel sorry for herself.

Princess Di did indeed encourage the papparazzi - when it suited her. In that way she and Kate Gosselin are exactly alike (much as I loved Di, I was not so naive about her relationship with the papparazzi - definitely a love/hate relationship, that ultimately killed her).

 

[Epcot luvr]

This is from US Weekly on their site now. So pretty much Jon says to watch the show, and has no clue where is Waldo, oh I mean Kate.


Jon Gosselin didn't just spend his Father's Day with his eight kids. He also spent it talking to fans and reporters outside his $1.1 million Pennsylvania home.

See photos of the Gosselins through the years.

In an impromptu press conference Sunday afternoon, the Jon & Kate Plus 8 star signed autographs and answered questions with the dozens of people who stopped by to get a look at the family.

Although he mainly told the group that they would have to watch the show, when asked where his noticeably absent wife, Kate, was, he replied, "I have no idea."

He also told onlookers that he has not seen 23-year-old Deanna Hummel -- the school teacher with whom Us Weekly first reported he was having a three-month affair -- as much as he once had.

See photos of Jon and Deanna during their affair.

"Not as much," he said, "with the events that went down."

Jon, who spent the afternoon sitting on a lawn chair while his kids -- Cara, Mady, Alexis, Hannah, Aaden, Collin, Leah and Joel -- played on a slip-and-slide toy, also said he no longer goes clubbing at night.

See photos of how Jon and Kate have spent time apart this season.

He refused to answer questions about a possible divorce -- which many speculate to be the announcement on Monday's special one-hour episode -- or about his recent trip to New York City to look at apartments for rent at Trump Place. He instead instructed fans to watch the TLC series. When asked if he will still be living in the family house come Monday, he again said to tune into the show.

The dad -- who was photographed smoking earlier this week -- admitted that he struggled with a cigarette habit but remained vague on how much he smoked.

"I don't smoke in front of the kids," he said.

See photos of today's top news stories.

One day earlier, Jon -- who said he received some Father's Day cards from his children -- took one of his sons to Reading Pediatrics after the boy bumped his head. The boy, reportedly sextuplet Aaden, returned from the medical clinic with a bandage on his forehead.

Jon, who received Father's Day cards from his kids, added that his son was fine and simply got the cut from running around the house.

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[TanyaLovesPooh]

Sorry...I just have to throw this picture in......

Little Jonas is 13 weeks old now and 16 pounds....sometimes I think he looks tiny, and sometimes I think he looks big...

Here he is sharing a drink with big sister Kacie who is a little over 60 pounds.

Oh my...Jonas is growing fast! He is so cute.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I do think Kate cheated, but I also think Jon cheated. But I do feel Jon had better reason, I would have cheated if I was married to someone like her. As to her cheating, she probably did things in front of the kids because they are with her when she is with her bodyguard. Maybe they should ask the kids on camera...

Better reasons for cheating? Wow.

 

[DMRick]

Thre are a lot of comparisons, when you talk about the paparzzi. It doesn't matter if they follow you because they like you or hate you. Princess Di was not loved by everyone, by the way...that was much more an American thing...we have a romance with royalty.

While it's popular to think Kate does nothing for others, that is another thing that is incorrect. She just donated her mototcycle, to a charity, she has been shown having a garage sale and it was mentioned that she had had them yearly and donated, she has visited hospitals to visit with kids and give gifts. We don't know if she is tithing to her church or what else she may give, since it's none of our business, and I'm sure TLC doesn't show everything that she does. What she does is not anywhere as public as Princess Diana, and of course not on the same caliber, but then she is no where as public as she is, or the celebrity. By the way, many times it was also reported that Diana played to the paparazzi. We Americans loved her, but she was far from loved in places like Britain (where the people were on the side of the royal family) or France where she spent a lot of time.


That said, I would hate to see what happened to Diana, because of the paparazzi, happen to Kate..or anyone for that matter.

Can someone explain to me, just what Kate was supposed to have done to garner all this hate? I know she is on a show with her husband, showing their lives. I know she takes all that is offered to her that ties in with that show. Some see that as greed, and yet even on this board I see people take all that is offered to them. So, what makes her the hated one?

I do not see any comparison between Princess Di and Kate Gosselin. Princess Di was loved by everyone (except maybe her husband) and Kate Gosselin is hated by just about everyone (including her husband and notice I said "just about everyone" for people who still believe in her). Many articles have said Kate encourages the papparazzi and that was not the case with Princess Di. The only thing these two have in common is that they are both women. Princess Di did many wonderful things for charities, etc.....Kate basically does nothing but complain and feel sorry for herself.

 

[DMRick]

I don't know what the drugs, alcohol or sex you mentioned have to do with the Gosselin kids.

I was going somewhere with it..but have decided that it doesn't matter. If the kids turn out alright, it will be in spite of Kate, I'm sure. The reality of the show is what drew many people. It was new at the time.

As far as the pap goes, it seems like there is no chase if you don't run. This is a privacy trade off that goes along with celebrity status and perks. Is it right? Probably not, but it is what it is.

I agree there is a privacy trade off, but I don't know what you mean by running.
Do I think it's right that people get to stalk you everywhere you go? I don't.

The Kennedy children as young children had to be protected and spent much time trapped in areas where only the long lenses could reach them. When they did go out the pap was right there. We ended up with shots of their mother that never should have been published IMO. Even islands didn't stop the paparazzi.

 

[DreaGirl]

Thre are a lot of comparisons, when you talk about the paparzzi. It doesn't matter if they follow you because they like you or hate you. Princess Di was not loved by everyone, by the way...that was much more an American thing...we have a romance with royalty.

While it's popular to think Kate does nothing for others, that is another thing that is incorrect. She just donated her mototcycle, to a charity, she has been shown having a garage sale and it was mentioned that she had had them yearly and donated, she has visited hospitals to visit with kids and give gifts. We don't know if she is tithing to her church or what else she may give, since it's none of our business, and I'm sure TLC doesn't show everything that she does. What she does is not anywhere as public as Princess Diana, and of course not on the same caliber, but then she is no where as public as she is, or the celebrity. By the way, many times it was also reported that Diana played to the paparazzi. We Americans loved her, but she was far from loved in places like Britain (where the people were on the side of the royal family) or France where she spent a lot of time.


That said, I would hate to see what happened to Diana, because of the paparazzi, happen to Kate..or anyone for that matter.

Can someone explain to me, just what Kate was supposed to have done to garner all this hate? I know she is on a show with her husband, showing their lives. I know she takes all that is offered to her that ties in with that show. Some see that as greed, and yet even on this board I see people take all that is offered to them. So, what makes her the hated one?

I agree that Princess Di was not adored by everyone. I watched a BBC documentary on her and was shocked at some of the things I learned.

As far as the charity stuff:

She donated a FREE bike. So really, OCC donated it.
The garage sales, this was the first year they donated their proceeds to charity, it was said in the interview "This year we decided to donate our profits..." And the hospital thing left a bad taste in my mouth because she gave our her book, promotional materials for that movie (can't remember the name) and a CD. It seemed really set up to me.

What really turned me off of Kate was that she always told half-truths. She would say that they did it all alone, then in the next breath tell a news reporter that at one time they had up to 50 volunteers a day. She would complain about spending hours on stain removal when she in fact had others coming in to do her laundry. They would "save up for shopping" when in fact it was paid by TLC or given for advertising. I could go on, but I think you get my point. She played he :whoa is me: card too many times for me when most of the things she was complaining about were being taken care of by other people.

 

[DMRick]

The flash may be a theory but the driver was legally intoxicated and should not have been driving that car under ANY circumstances.

I agree that he should not have been driving, but that doens't change the fact the paparazzi were chasing them, they were trying to get away. It had been like that for months for Diana. They got the first photo's of her, without even calling for help.

Again, the point I was trying to make, is that the paparazzi seems to have no limits as to how far they will go. Why should they be allowed to stalk and chase?