Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[C.Ann]

"Kate Gosselin is hated by just about everyone...."

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Followed by this response:

Your right Buckalew11--I don't hate Kate. I am disgusted by the way she is exploiting her kids.

She didn't say YOU were saying you hated her. She was responding to your note, asking who is saying they hate Kate, and bolded where someone actually said they hated Kate. See the message below yours.

I'm not concerned with anyone saying that "I" hate Kate(or Jon), because I don't - way too strong a word.. But many people - you included - keep bringing up the fact that so many people "hate" Kate - and what did she do to deserve all this "hate" - etc., etc.. Many times people have posted an opposing view (not in favor of Kate) and out come the "Kate hater" labels.. I'm asking where you - and everyone else - is coming up with this notion? I haven't seen it here on this DIS - but the implication is made over and over and over again that it does exist here.. Why??

 

[mousey]

And you know they don't give anything back, how? Because TLC has said this? Or just because they don't show it. You know she doesn't tithe, or give to charities, because the show doesn't show it? So, I assume no one on shows on TV gives to charities because we don't see it.
Have you ever sold anything that was a gift to you? On eBay, Craigs list, garage sale? Did you give the money from it to charity? Ever give something to the mission and take it off your income taxes, as a donation? It shouldn't matter how Kate got items she gave away. She didn't have to donate the money from them, but she did. I can't believe that she can't even get credit for what we know she has done LOL.
For the Ronald McDonald house, she wrote a check. I suppose that was TLC's checkbook?

I personally think it would be a shame if the crooked houses got donated. That's something the kids earned from being on the show and I don't regret one thing the kids get.

If these crooked houses are the only thing these kids get for 5 years of exploitation, they should get to keep them. My point was their parents could afford to buy them instead of getting them for free.
How do you know the check that Kate wrote was from her personal account? Maybe she has a TLC checking account that lets her write checks free will??
Everyone has their opinion of Kate and we don't all have to agree.

 

[Buckalew11]

I would say this type of post is a where one might *read* into the hate:

And why would that be? People can't disapprove of some of her actions without "hating" her? How about Jon? Does "everyone" hate him too? It seems that the only people insisting that others "hate" Kate are the ones who are seeing it where it doesn't exist..

Sorry, but your explanation makes no sense to me at all..

The bolded above is how my post was originally written. No period was after the colon. I think you misunderstood me. I was just giving you an example of why "hate" is often referred to (just like "love" is also) in these posts. I certainly was not calling your post out as a "hater". Hopefully, DMRick's post helped.

She didn't say YOU were saying you hated her. She was responding to your note, asking who is saying they hate Kate, and bolded where someone actually said they hated Kate. See the message below yours.

thanks!!!! Nothing worse than being totally misunderstood!

 

[C.Ann]

thanks!!!! Nothing worse than being totally misunderstood!

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Okay - you're right - I misunderstood and I apologize - sincerely..

Still - could someone please explain to me why people here think that there are "Kate haters" posting on the DIS? And why a question such as "What has Kate done to deserve all of this hate?" (or something along those lines) is asked here when I don't see people posting that they "hate" Kate here?

I know from reading these threads on the DIS that there are some very "hateful" sites out "there" on various web sites - but those people aren't on the DIS, so what is the point of asking the question here if people aren't assuming that those with an opposing view are "Kate haters"?
Does that make any sense?

I just don't like to see the word "hate" being thrown around when it's attached to a person- unless of course it's a convicted mass murderer.. Then it "might" be okay..

 

[Buckalew11]

"Kate Gosselin is hated by just about everyone...."

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Followed by this response:






I'm not concerned with anyone saying that "I" hate Kate(or Jon), because I don't - way too strong a word.. But many people - you included - keep bringing up the fact that so many people "hate" Kate - and what did she do to deserve all this "hate" - etc., etc.. Many times people have posted an opposing view (not in favor of Kate) and out come the "Kate hater" labels.. I'm asking where you - and everyone else - is coming up with this notion? I haven't seen it here on this DIS - but the implication is made over and over and over again that it does exist here.. Why??

Not sure, I think I should give up or something...

But one more time--Mousey posted that first quote about everyone hating kate--even Jon etc. It is posts like that that make people think "hate" is involved. The word hate was used.

However, I went on in my post, which you quoted, as saying that I do not believe Mousey truly hates Kate (to which Mousey agreed, she does not) but that it is just a way that we separate the two "sides" of this--"the haters and the lovers". She doesn't "hate" Kate and I do not "love" Kate. But it is one way we tend to label supporters and non-supporters. And her post that I quoted was a good example of where the word "hate" comes from. The word itself was used.

What I think we all have in common is that we ALL care about the Gosselin children. Period. That, we can all agree on for sure.

 

[kidshop]

Well, that's your opinion. You asked why I didn't like her and I told you. I never said I hated her. How can I hate a person I don't know?

I don't like the show anymore and I don't care for Kate. I think she is a fake and tries to portray herself as one thing when she is another. My opinion, that you asked for...

I agree, and I do not think she behaves in a way that is loving, or kind or considerate of others. She appears to me not to have much empathy or even an inkling or care that she may be coming off as demanding and rude or insufferable. I think she is a narcissist, based on her behavior on the show and lately in the public eye. I have not seen humbleness or graciousness in her. These are the things I look for in people I like! As recently as the season opener she stated she had to take the kids out alone and how hard it was! She hasn't had to do anything alone for a l o n g time!
She appears to have cut people out of her life when they cross her. I could go on, but I think you get it!

 

[Buckalew11]

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Okay - you're right - I misunderstood and I apologize - sincerely..

Sorry, I posted while you posted. It is all good.

I think the question was asked because the word was used. Like I said, not meant as true, personal hate, but it was "thrown around and attached to a person".


Now, before anything bad happens here, i'm going to bed. Night all. We'll know tomorrow night. See y'all tomorrow at 10;00pm EST.

 

[C.Ann]

Not sure, I think I should give up or something...


What I think we all have in common is that we ALL care about the Gosselin children. Period. That, we can all agree on for sure.

I just replied to you again - apologizing - so I think (hope) we're "good" now..

Yes - on the kids we can absolutely agree!

 

[madge]

I still can't get past that so many are willing to close their eyes on what Jon has been up to and either say that Kate had an affair, so it's only fair (or she deserved what she got), or that it just seems to be OK that Jon cheated on his vows, but it wouldn't be OK for Kate .

I think the likelihood is high they've both cheated .. higher for Jon, since there appears to be substantial proof. But I think they both have, either physically, emotionally, or both. And it isn't ok for either one, IMO.

 

[Epcot luvr]

How the heck would we know this? That she might never have accepted it? And if she did accept it as a gift she would also get to write it off once donated. In any case, I would go so far to say, whatever it's value, because of what is going on right now, if she did decide to sell it, she would prob have made money. Color it anyway anyone wants..she donated it, and that should be something as seen as generous IMO. But of course, it's Kate, so there couldn't have been a generous thought about donating it.

I might have missed it..did Jon donate his too?

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I never said I was her accountant, I stated my opinion on how the gift was handled.
OCC was commisioned to fabricate a one of a kind scooter, OCC would report the value of the gift on their taxes . Kate would need to sell the gift to pay the state and federal tax a rate of 50% of the value. Because it is a one of a kind object by a world renowned artist the price will be significantly higher than the retail value of a Vespa. She would never be able to sell the scooter IMOP to cover what she will owe in taxes. Kate does not accept the gift TLC pays OCC and then donates scooter in Kates name. I have a right to my opinion, you are also making assumptions . I said nothing derogatory against Kate, I am stating facts of how a gift can handled for accounting purposes. And, how I believe it was handled. Not everything is an attack on Kate.
I would believe she has advice from professional accountants, financial planners and lawyers to ease her tax burden. I may be wrong though, the way she seems to spend her kids earnings seems like a gravy train that will never end.

 

[OhMari]

Clip from MSN.
Jon actually talked to some people that were checking out the home today.
This sounds like something my in-laws would do.

Headline: I don't know where Kate is.

http://wonderwall.msn.com/#wallStat...heir-Big-Announcement-1516841.story&GT1=28135

 

[DMRick]

But many people - you included - keep bringing up the fact that so many people "hate" Kate - and what did she do to deserve all this "hate" - etc., etc.. Many times people have posted an opposing view (not in favor of Kate) and out come the "Kate hater" labels.. I'm asking where you - and everyone else - is coming up with this notion? I haven't seen it here on this DIS - but the implication is made over and over and over again that it does exist here.. Why?? [/B][/COLOR]

I'm not sure what you think hate means..but this is what webster says it means:

Meaning of the word hate:

A: intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear anger or sense of injury. B: extreme dislike or antipathy.

I certainly do see this on this thread. I also see it out on the internet, and we share a lot of links on this thread. So, yes, I think I see hate here and on the intertnet.
I guess if it makes people more comfortable, I and others could type out each time, why do you extremely dislike Kate, but since hate means the same, I use that word. I do think that word makes people feel more uncomfortable, since no one wants to be known as a hater..but hate means the same as extreme dislike and it's easier to type.

Some more meanings:
verb (used with object)
1.to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2.to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
–verb (used without object)
3.to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.
–noun
4.intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.
5.the object of extreme aversion or hostility.

 

[DMRick]

I'm a certified tax preparer, (for almost 12 years now) so I get the gist of how it works . I don't really have an opinion, since I have no idea how it was handled. All TLC has released, was that Kate donated the bike for a charity auction. I thought that was a good thing. Apparently not everyone does.
I also have no idea how or if she is spending her kids share of the money.

Does anyone know if Jon donated his bike?

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I never said I was her accountant, I stated my opinion on how the gift was handled.
OCC was commisioned to fabricate a one of a kind scooter, OCC would report the value of the gift on their taxes . Kate would need to sell the gift to pay the state and federal tax a rate of 50% of the value. Because it is a one of a kind object by a world renowned artist the price will be significantly higher than the retail value of a Vespa. She would never be able to sell the scooter IMOP to cover what she will owe in taxes. Kate does not accept the gift TLC pays OCC and then donates scooter in Kates name. I have a right to my opinion, you are also making assumptions . I said nothing derogatory against Kate, I am stating facts of how a gift can handled for accounting purposes. And, how I believe it was handled. Not everything is an attack on Kate.
I would believe she has advice from professional accountants, financial planners and lawyers to ease her tax burden. I may be wrong though, the way she seems to spend her kids earnings seems like a gravy train that will never end.

 

[madge]

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And the hospital thing left a bad taste in my mouth because she gave our her book, promotional materials for that movie (can't remember the name) and a CD. It seemed really set up to me.

Again, the books aren't made for free and people were enjoying them at that time. Many many toys were also given out. Other writers have given out their books as gifts.

here's the thing with the St. Jude episode .. the movie tie-in turned it into a commercial. The shopping trip to Kmart made sense, since they're a Thanks For Giving retailer .. but the bit at the Peabody and the movie giveaway were cheesy. What I hope happened (since it was the intent) as a result of that show was more people became aware of St. Jude's and sent them money.

 

[madge]

Does anyone know if Jon donated his bike?

I guessing no, but is it up to Jon? from what I understand per the OCC guy on Larry King Live, TLC commissioned the building of the bike. wouldn't they have a say in what's happening with it? has he been seen riding it since the show?

one of those things we'll never know. Jon could have dropped his bike off at the Ronald McDonald House the next day, but if TLC didn't want us to know about it, then it's possible we wouldn't. although that's getting harder with the paps trailing them everywhere.

as far as Kate donating hers, I got the impression she isn't really much of a bike rider ... so if she and TLC want to help out the RMH, then so be it. better than it collecting dust in the garage.

 

[DMRick]

I just assumed Madge, that you would have an in with the DMV and could check to see if it's registered to Jon.

I would bet a nickle (sorry, in case I'm wrong I need to hold on to my bigger bills) that if Jon donated his, the internet in general would think he did a great thing LOL. I would be surprised to find out that he did though..I"m thinking it's part of his new persona.

I guessing no, but is it up to Jon? from what I understand per the OCC guy on Larry King Live, TLC commissioned the building of the bike. wouldn't they have a say in what's happening with it? has he been seen riding it since the show?

one of those things we'll never know. Jon could have dropped his bike off at the Ronald McDonald House the next day, but if TLC didn't want us to know about it, then it's possible we wouldn't. although that's getting harder with the paps trailing them everywhere.

as far as Kate donating hers, I got the impression she isn't really much of a bike rider ... so if she and TLC want to help out the RMH, then so be it. better than it collecting dust in the garage.

 

[kritter]

Sorry, if any of these have already been posted::

http://justjared.buzznet.com/?s=jon+gosselin

 

[C.Ann]

I'm not sure what you think hate means..but this is what webster says it means:

I certainly do see this on this thread. I also see it out on the internet, and we share a lot of links on this thread. So, yes, I think I see hate here and on the intertnet.
I guess if it makes people more comfortable, I and others could type out each time, why do you extremely dislike Kate, but since hate means the same, I use that word. I do think that word makes people feel more uncomfortable, since no one wants to be known as a hater..but hate means the same as extreme dislike and it's easier to type..

Ah ha! So that's where the problem lies.. Regardless of what the dictionary says, "hate" means something entirely different to me, my family, my fellow church goers, and many, many other people I know.. To us it means something more along the lines of: "Given the opportunity I would kill Kate.. Slowly torture her to death.. Purposely run her down with my car.." Things along those lines.. That's why we never attach it to a "person" - nor are the children in our families allowed to do so.. It's just very, very offensive to us and crosses over into areas that we don't approve of..

I think there are better words that could be used - or different phrases that wouldn't take but a few seconds to type out - but since it's "my" issue with the word that's creating problems for me, I guess I will just have to grit my teeth when I see it from now on.. To me it's just a very ugly, threatening word (when attached to a person) that I don't personally wish to be associated with..

Lest there be any further confusion, I am very disappointed in the choices that Jon & Kate have made.. I am very concerned about their children.. I would like nothing better than to see the show end - and last, but not least - I have never, ever had any desire to see their marriage end.. That is not "my" definition of "hate" - and never will be..

Regardless of how I personally feel about the "hate" word here, at least it's been cleared up now - on both ends..

 

[KristiKelly]

Okay, I've been away since 6/12, spent a week @ AKV. Miss WDW but glad to be home. Anyway, can someone provide me with cliff notes from last 9-10 days? It would be much appreciated. I even forgot to set DVR for Mon. night. I'll have to remember tomorrow night, ET & TLC.

 

[C.Ann]

here's the thing with the St. Jude episode ..

What I hope happened (since it was the intent) as a result of that show was more people became aware of St. Jude's and sent them money.

I've been sending money every month to St. Jude Children's Hospital for years and years now - even when I really didn't have it to send.. I also make additional donations during their frequent tv programs - every time I catch one of their shows while flipping the stations.. Does that make me as "great" as Kate??

If she and Jon are really interested in the cause, I hope they're doing a little more than what was on that particular episode..