Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[DMRick]

Uncle Kevin and Aunt Jodie said that a while ago, Kate had a contract given to Jon telling him that they can both see other people, discreetly, as long as he goes on with the show "for the sake of the kids."

Say there is such a contract. What would be the point of it? Do people think that Kate would give Jon a bigger share of the money, if he signed such a thing? I mean, why would he need a contract? If he wanted to cheat, he would just cheat. What kind of binding contract would that be? How can you contract someone to be allowed to cheat? What would be his incentive to hold up the contract? What would he have gotten out of it? Can you actually contract someone to allow adultry?

 

[kritter]

Now there is a special on E about them too!!!!!!!!

 

[WaltD4Me]

IMO, there is no reason to cheat. And no reason to flaunt that kind of behavior. He's off being photographed with some 23 year old here there and everywhere, and he comes off looking not so bad? I think it's disgusting and lame. If he wasn't happy in the marriage he could have sought help with the problems or gotten out.

Now he's saying he's changed and he's all puffed up like a bantam chicken. He seems to like being the strong personality. Wasn't that what he disliked about Kate?

Seriously. I don't care if Kate locked him in the basement every night, one day his kids will see those pictures and read the stories. Lame is a great word to describe the "new" Jon. I wonder if he realizes his new girlfriends wouldn't be giving him the time of day if he wasn't a "celebrity" and that the fact that he is has nothing whatsoever to do with him but because he happened to have 8 beautiful children.

 

[DMRick]

Now there is a special on E about them too!!!!!!!!

What I found interesting about the E story was the pictures of Kate with Steve in the airport (wearing the skirt some thought was too short, and the leatherish jacket, and with Steve pulling the suitcase some thought they might have shared). I always assumed it was just the two of them in the airport and much was said about that too. But lo and behold, when the scene was shown on E from more distance, the other bodyguard we often see, was also with them. Funny how the rag mags forgot to point that out.

 

[mistydoodles]

I still can't get past that so many are willing to close their eyes on what Jon has been up to and either say that Kate had an affair, so it's only fair (or she deserved what she got), or that it just seems to be OK that Jon cheated on his vows, but it wouldn't be OK for Kate .

I agree 100%. I don't understand how it is okay if Jon cheated. To me that is the bad part. Jon seems like he is ready to give up not only on his wife but also his kids. He wants to live like he is in his 20's and single. He has made comments more than once about how young he was when he had the kids. I get the impression that he feels like he missed out on something and now he wants to go back and live it up like he wasn't able to before. To me this is far worse than Kate's harping. I just feel so terrible for the kids.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I do....he got married very young and had kids, got a divorce and then started dressing/acting like Jon is now.

Most people I know who have gotten a divorce started acting and dressing as they did before they got married. One even oops got pregnant.

 

[heartsy77]

None of that would matter in NYS family court, your state must be different. Cheating, lying to your spouse, being a 'big' person and not talking about the mom or the dad, wouldn't play any part of custody, and neither would having an affair, unless you were having it in front of the kids. You can live with someone, and as long as he treats the kids well, and isn't a sex offender, that won't play into custody decisions either. Treatment and support of the children, come first and foremost, along with a 'steady' environment. She (well, TLC) has Jon on tape saying he doesn't like staying at home with the kids..back when he was working and recently. He was out in a bar at a time when we assume he was supposed to be taking care of the children (although that won't mean diddly if he had a sitter). I can see no reason why he would get them in anything other than a shared arrangement.
But Jon doesn't strike me as being very savy, so if he knew something, I doubt he would keep it quiet. I still can't get past that so many are willing to close their eyes on what Jon has been up to and either say that Kate had an affair, so it's only fair (or she deserved what she got), or that it just seems to be OK that Jon cheated on his vows, but it wouldn't be OK for Kate .

You are 100% correct!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Say there is such a contract. What would be the point of it? Do people think that Kate would give Jon a bigger share of the money, if he signed such a thing? I mean, why would he need a contract? If he wanted to cheat, he would just cheat. What kind of binding contract would that be? How can you contract someone to be allowed to cheat? What would be his incentive to hold up the contract? What would he have gotten out of it? Can you actually contract someone to allow adultry?

The more toss around this idea of a 'contract', the more I don't believe it. Kate wouldn't be so foolish to actually have one drawn up. If it was only verbal then it turns into a he said/she said thing. Jon would be an even bigger idiot to agree to it. I used to think that Kevin & Jodi coming forward would turn out to be a good thing but now I don't. The kids will now see with their eyes their Aunt and Uncle telling the world their parent's problems. It's pretty sick actually. How could they talk about a contract that would allow Jon to cheat?? Do they realize how damaging that will be to the kids regardless of if it's true or not? I don't get it.

Seriously. I don't care if Kate locked him in the basement every night, one day his kids will see those pictures and read the stories. Lame is a great word to describe the "new" Jon. I wonder if he realizes his new girlfriends wouldn't be giving him the time of day if he wasn't a "celebrity" and that the fact that he is has nothing whatsoever to do with him but because he happened to have 8 beautiful children.

Totally agree. He's acting ridiculous and it's baffling to me that Jon is the one who cheated (allegedly) and Kate is the one getting garbage for it. No matter what, it's not ok to cheat and he should've given much more consideration to his family when he was out flaunting it like some young college fraternity guy. Lame is the perfect word!

What I found interesting about the E story was the pictures of Kate with Steve in the airport (wearing the skirt some thought was too short, and the leatherish jacket, and with Steve pulling the suitcase some thought they might have shared). I always assumed it was just the two of them in the airport and much was said about that too. But lo and behold, when the scene was shown on E from more distance, the other bodyguard we often see, was also with them. Funny how the rag mags forgot to point that out.

Aha! I was wondering too and now we know. The paparazzi sell their disgusting pictures to the highest bidder and then those pictures get cropped in order to elicit the most drama possible. What a noble job, to hound people, snap pictures and invade their privacy. I often wonder how they justify their actions. I'm sure it's just a job for them but I can't imagine they'd like that kind of treatment if the roles were reversed.

I agree 100%. I don't understand how it is okay if Jon cheated. To me that is the bad part. Jon seems like he is ready to give up not only on his wife but also his kids. He wants to live like he is in his 20's and single. He has made comments more than once about how young he was when he had the kids. I get the impression that he feels like he missed out on something and now he wants to go back and live it up like he wasn't able to before. To me this is far worse than Kate's harping. I just feel so terrible for the kids.

100% agree. The season premiere Jon looked like he had shut down and was ready to get out. His attitude was defiant and he kept stressing that he was there for his kids. Pretty clear that he meant he wasn't there for Kate. At least that was my interpretation. He is acting like some ridiculous frat guy. I get the impression he wants people to pity him for getting married young and having all these kids. Well even if he and Kate divorce, he's still a Dad to 8 young kids. He can't escape that.

 

[jpaxton1118]

A contract does not have to be written it can be verbal. I don't see either of them signing anything because that would be proof. What I do see happening is them having a discussion about it and she says, Hey if you want to see other girls that is fine just keep it quite so I can continue to do the show and WE can have the benifits of it. I do see her coming to him and saying that because that still keeps her in the drivers seat. and control of him. Now she knows he is a big kid and probably would get caught but at least she tried to keep it quite for a while.

My .02.

 

[MichelleVW]

Aha! I was wondering too and now we know. The paparazzi sell their disgusting pictures to the highest bidder and then those pictures get cropped in order to elicit the most drama possible. What a noble job, to hound people, snap pictures and invade their privacy. I often wonder how they justify their actions. I'm sure it's just a job for them but I can't imagine they'd like that kind of treatment if the roles were reversed.

I watched a youtube video of the paparazzi hounding Miley Cyrus and Nick Jonas the other day...it's crazy. Adults stalking two 16 year olds and taking pictures and harassing them...sick sick people.

 

[kidshop]

What I found interesting about the E story was the pictures of Kate with Steve in the airport (wearing the skirt some thought was too short, and the leatherish jacket, and with Steve pulling the suitcase some thought they might have shared). I always assumed it was just the two of them in the airport and much was said about that too. But lo and behold, when the scene was shown on E from more distance, the other bodyguard we often see, was also with them. Funny how the rag mags forgot to point that out.

So she needs TWO bodyguards for herself? (she was by herself at that time I think). Maybe the other guy is the bodyguard's bodyguard! Or maybe her affair is with the other one and Mr. Grey is the cover......anything could be true at this point!

 

[anewmac]

I really hope in all their spending they are doing they have set money aside for the kids, since largly this show is about them. I would hate to see that mommy and dad spend every cent and now their is nothing for college for them.

Yet something tells me free scholarships will show up knocking on their door?!

 

[DMRick]

So she needs TWO bodyguards for herself? (she was by herself at that time I think). Maybe the other guy is the bodyguard's bodyguard! Or maybe her affair is with the other one and Mr. Grey is the cover......anything could be true at this point!

Some of the hate spewed on the boards, and the paparazzi always at her, I could see why she needs bodyguards. As long as I'm not paying for them, I don't care how many she has. But the point I was making, is so many tore her apart for being with Steve, and yet the other bodyguard wasnt even mentioned as being there.

 

[longstangetrip]

Some of the hate spewed on the boards, and the paparazzi always at her, I could see why she needs bodyguards. As long as I'm not paying for them, I don't care how many she has.

I think that is a good sign it is time to re-evaluate one's career choices and lifestyle. Do you think the kids too may be in danger? Are there any child (under age 9!) celebrities or children of celebrities that you see as often or know as much about as you do the Gosselin children?

Aren't we all paying for their lifestyle if we watch the show, and participate in consumerism?

Was it Aaden who Jon took to the Dr. yesterday with a little head bump up? Hope he's okay.
Jon looked straight gangsta in all his Ed Hardy!

 

[Epcot luvr]

"When most couples divorce, they want it over with as quickly as possible so that they can move on with their lives, or for the sake of the children, or because lengthy divorces cost more money. Not this couple! They are currently negotiating to stretch out the divorce as long as possible. Even though they can't stand each other - and have lived separately for a while now - as long as the family is somewhat intact, they both make a lot more money than they could with a regular job. Right now they are negotiating for two plus years of continued steady income. Yes, that's right. He is just as motivated by the money as she." [BlindGossip]

 

[Epcot luvr]

I think that is a good sign it is time to re-evaluate one's career choices and lifestyle. Do you think the kids too may be in danger? Are there any child (under age 9!) celebrities or children of celebrities that you see as often or know as much about as you do the Gosselin children?

Aren't we all paying for their lifestyle if we watch the show, and participate in consumerism?

Was it Aaden who Jon took to the Dr. yesterday with a little head bump up? Hope he's okay.
Jon looked straight gangsta in all his Ed Hardy!

Jon looks like he got hold of a bedazzler, with his dimanique studs.

Who told him that looked good??

It is an SNL skit on its own. Does anyone remember from many years ago "the gap girls' Chris Farley and David Spade they worked at The gap and no matter how awful something fit/looked their tag line was, "just synch it". They could have Jon going into to a Ed Hardy store! "Jon that shirt is fierce"
I also read now this is pure gossip no real proof but, I kinda think it is true. Skip if you do not care tp know, the daughter of the plastic surgeon tried to get on MTV's the real world this year!

 

[DMRick]

I think it's a good time that the laws of the US are looked at again for stalking by the paparazzi. I wonder, if she were to have an end like Lady Diana, would we then blame th paparazzi (actually, in this case I"m sure even that would be Kate's fault). What difference does it make what other celebrities are doing? Kate should have the right to go about without a camera in her face. And no, I don't think the kids are in danger. The hate seems to be pointed at Kate, no matter what she does.
We are not paying for her bodyguards, no matter how it gets changed around. She could chose to spend her money in other ways, if so many people weren't filled with hate. Saying we are paying her lifestyle is no different from saying you (general you) are paying for everyone's salary is some way or form. Just because we may buy from sponsors of the show, doesn't mean we get to have a say in how she spends her money.
Again, the point I was making was, the paparazzi and even people on this board tried to make so much of her in an airport with the 'cute' bodyguard, and yet no mention was made that the other one was there.
I have no idea what difference it makes if the celebrites child is under nine or 16..paparazzi should stay out of their faces (other than it's convenient to try and again just make this about Kate). Right now K & J are popular (either loved or hated, it still makes them popular) so they are who is in the news right now.

I think that is a good sign it is time to re-evaluate one's career choices and lifestyle. Do you think the kids too may be in danger? Are there any child (under age 9!) celebrities or children of celebrities that you see as often or know as much about as you do the Gosselin children?

Aren't we all paying for their lifestyle if we watch the show, and participate in consumerism?

Was it Aaden who Jon took to the Dr. yesterday with a little head bump up? Hope he's okay.
Jon looked straight gangsta in all his Ed Hardy!

 

[momrek06]

Jon looked straight gangsta in all his Ed Hardy!

They could have Jon going into to a Ed Hardy store!

OT, who is ED HARDY? I have lived in SoCal almost a year now and EVERYONE here is wearing Ed Hardy clothing...from hats to sneakers. Celebrities are donned in all Ed Hardy apparel.
Thanks.

 

[longstangetrip]

I think it's a good time that the laws of the US are looked at again for stalking by the paparazzi. I wonder, if she were to have an end like Lady Diana, would we then blame th paparazzi (actually, in this case I"m sure even that would be Kate's fault). What difference does it make what other celebrities are doing? Kate should have the right to go about without a camera in her face. And no, I don't think the kids are in danger. The hate seems to be pointed at Kate, no matter what she does.
We are not paying for her bodyguards, no matter how it gets changed around. She could chose to spend her money in other ways, if so many people weren't filled with hate. Saying we are paying her lifestyle is no different from saying you (general you) are paying for everyone's salary is some way or form. Just because we may buy from sponsors of the show, doesn't mean we get to have a say in how she spends her money.
Again, the point I was making was, the paparazzi and even people on this board tried to make so much of her in an airport with the 'cute' bodyguard, and yet no mention was made that the other one was there.
I have no idea what difference it makes if the celebrites child is under nine or 16..paparazzi should stay out of their faces (other than it's convenient to try and again just make this about Kate). Right now K & J are popular (either loved or hated, it still makes them popular) so they are who is in the news right now.

I don't think we at all have a say in how she spends her money even if we are paying her salary by being a supporter. That's the beauty of America; we can choose not to support whoever we want! You just had stated the reason you don't care how many security guards she hires is because you don't have to pay for it. I think supporters of the Gosselin product are paying for everything they have and do; but it's still Jon and Kate's money.

I was actually referring more to the "hate being spewed" when I was referring to a career/lifestyle change possibly being in order. Didn't a drunk limo driver cause Diana's untimely demise as much as the pap (who I agree have no scruples)?

When I referenced other kid celebs/celebs of kids; I was not saying pap should hound them at any age. I mentioned the Gosselins' young age, because we have seen so much in their very short lives. More than any other young child I can think of. I was saying we have been bombarded with every minutia of these kids' lives, and only very recently has any of it been via the paparazzi. It is possible to be a real celebrity without having your family hounded by photographers. As someone said earlier, this family seems to have been set up for disaster, and I don't think it's all their fault. It is a series of unfortunate events.

 

[longstangetrip]

OT, who is ED HARDY? I have lived in SoCal almost a year now and EVERYONE here is wearing Ed Hardy clothing...from hats to sneakers. Celebrities are donned in all Ed Hardy apparel.
Thanks.

That was my point...he's a big playa now? Not that suburban PA daddy of 8!