Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

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No kidding. He does whine a lot and I'm wondering if it is like Kate said, that he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I can say that my 3 girls are 18 months apart and that when my youngest one was born, they were all in either diapers or pull-ups! I was in a fog for the 1st 3 months with all of them just happy when I could grab a shower!:laughing: I still don't get out as often as I'd like but it just kind of comes with the territory. Now they're getting a bit older and it will be easier to get out more.

For as much as Kate makes me crazy, Jon is certainly no saint. He does act immature and I wonder how much of that contributed to he and Kate's marital issues as well. Personally I couldn't being married to man like that. I need a manly man, know what I mean ladies?;)

I missed this wear did she say this? She probably feels this way because Jon dad was a dentist and from what I can tell well regarded in the community. Kate's dad on the other hand was a assistant pastor, not much money there.
 
:thumbsup2 I just think Jon doesn't have a clue what being a parent is all about. He seems like the selfish one to me.

I watched both shows last night (replay of OCC and JK8) because I really wanted to see these 2 shows because we used to watch OCC all the time.

Anyway, IMHO, Jon came off as a first class jerk in both episodes. I enjoyed Kate in both and did not see enough of the kids on JK8.



:thumbsup2OMGosh, I can't imagine being married to someone like him. hopefully he can change/grow up for this marriage or for someone else--most of all, for the kids. If he doesn't, the kids will outgrow him in maturity in just a few years!!:rolleyes:

And I do know what you mean. If things do not work out for them, I hope next time around kate finds someone who is more "manly". I think she, like me, would be a different person with the right man in her life. And yes, she is often too mean to him and cutting etc. and should own all of that--however, given the right man, all that can certainly change.

I think you hit a good point. Maybe they just married the wrong kind of person. I mean Kate is a take charge person so she might need someone more take charge. Jon is laid back and maybe he needs someone who is more laid back. Opposites are good but not in every area. So things just aren't easy to live with....on either side.

That doesn't make either of them bad people or even flawed people. Everyone has a different personality. I think that's how Kate got such a bad rap to begin with because you always seen her taking charge and yelling. But Jon was lagging behind. And that made Jon look lazy because she was so take charge. There wasn't a balance there. I think they both have been judged unfairly.

My DH and I are opposites on many levels but the same in so many ways too. I think we "marry well". LOL Seriously though I've always felt balance. I wonder how much they felt balance?

However we are only looking in. We are not living their life...no matter how many episodes we tune into see.
 
I missed this wear did she say this? She probably feels this way because Jon dad was a dentist and from what I can tell well regarded in the community. Kate's dad on the other hand was a assistant pastor, not much money there.

Kate's dad also has a master's degree in education, was involved in local government, owns a campground (not a "trailer park" as people accuse Kate of growing up in), had a large house built, and sent all six of his kids to private school. I don't know if he is/was wealthy or not, and it certainly sounds like he believes kids need to make their own way, unlike Jon's dad might have. Kate's parents are still married right? I'm not disagreeing with you btw; it may sound like that!
 

:sad2: Crooked houses to go with those poor children's crooked, abnormal lives.

Doesn't matter what they say or write about any of them, there is a sad joke or comment to be told by someone. Makes the crooked houses less special for the kids, if they are compared to what someone thinks the kids are and the kids get to hear it. :( For them, this is a normal life, all they have known.

I think the houses are going to be fun for the kids, and since I really like the kids I'm glad they are getting them. That should be a real treat. I just hope too many remarks like above aren't yelled out to them or on the front of magazines.
 
I missed this wear did she say this? She probably feels this way because Jon dad was a dentist and from what I can tell well regarded in the community. Kate's dad on the other hand was a assistant pastor, not much money there.

Kate didn't say those exact words. She's just made various comments on the show that Jon seemed to have the good life, things she didn't as a child. That's why she says she wants her kids to have all these 'life experiences' since according to her she didn't.

Kate's dad also has a master's degree in education, was involved in local government, owns a campground (not a "trailer park" as people accuse Kate of growing up in), had a large house built, and sent all six of his kids to private school. I don't know if he is/was wealthy or not, and it certainly sounds like he believes kids need to make their own way, unlike Jon's dad might have. Kate's parents are still married right? I'm not disagreeing with you btw; it may sound like that!

I didn't know all this about her family. I assumed she grew up in a trailer, not that her family owned a campground? She went to private school too? :confused3
 
:sad2: Crooked houses to go with those poor children's crooked, abnormal lives.

I noticed them in the background in yesterday's show while they were all laying in the grass with the OCC guys. Another free expensive item for the Gosselins...surprise surprise.

Loved how Kate was riding her new scooter with her mini skirt and high heels on. Gosh :confused3
 
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I think the houses are going to be fun for the kids, and since I really like the kids I'm glad they are getting them. That should be a real treat. I just hope too many remarks like above aren't yelled out to them or on the front of magazines.

Kate? Is that you?
:lmao:

Just kidding.
:upsidedow
 
Kate's dad also has a master's degree in education, was involved in local government, owns a campground (not a "trailer park" as people accuse Kate of growing up in), had a large house built, and sent all six of his kids to private school. I don't know if he is/was wealthy or not, and it certainly sounds like he believes kids need to make their own way, unlike Jon's dad might have. Kate's parents are still married right? I'm not disagreeing with you btw; it may sound like that!

It interesting we don't know/can't find more info about Kate's family and growing up. Also allegedly Kate's father organized the first round of donations (that were rejected) so they were still in their lives at that point. Based on what I know now about Kate and money, maybe b/c her parents didn't have much or didn't give her what she felt they should (monetarily) is why the rift is there. It makes as much sense as anything. She has said several times she didn't get to have life experiences in a 'poor me' voice. But I bet *her* parents gave her water when she aksed! :rotfl: Things do seem to make Kate happy, but most people need more than stuff in their lives.
 
Kate's dad also has a master's degree in education, was involved in local government, owns a campground (not a "trailer park" as people accuse Kate of growing up in), had a large house built, and sent all six of his kids to private school. I don't know if he is/was wealthy or not, and it certainly sounds like he believes kids need to make their own way, unlike Jon's dad might have. Kate's parents are still married right? I'm not disagreeing with you btw; it may sound like that!

Do you know the name of the camp ground?
 
Kate didn't say those exact words. She's just made various comments on the show that Jon seemed to have the good life, things she didn't as a child. That's why she says she wants her kids to have all these 'life experiences' since according to her she didn't.



I didn't know all this about her family. I assumed she grew up in a trailer, not that her family owned a campground? She went to private school too? :confused3

See now I take that as growing up Kate's family didn't take family vacations (Oh the horror! :scared1:). Not unlike my family be the way, and Jon's family did. Jon has said in the past that his family went on ski trips and we all know he backpack around Europe before he met Kate.
 
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Based on the above statements, I think it's safe to say that these children are working.. Having to sit in front of cameras while their mother is being interviewed (not running around playing), being denied a drink of water because the "interview" is about to begin again, and much of the show supposedly being "scripted", all points to work - not play..

I have to disagree...I don't think asking your kids to sit quietly while you talk to another adult is work - I expect that of my children. The cameras to the Gosselins is "normal" for them. Now the "denying" of the drink (I will admit I did NOT watch the video so only going by what was posted in regards to that), yes, if you have a commitment or it was already discussed that you'll have to wait, yes I would make my kids wait. I'll put "cuppies" up at my house half an hour or so before I know I have to go somewhere to avoid accidents or multiple potty breaks during the trip (if it's planned - we all know as parents there are many trips unplanned!). Does that make me horrible that either of my DSs will ask for a drink and I tell them no even though I may still have a cup somewhere and might take a drink before I leave? I don't think so. I also put their cups up at 7 so they don't pee the bed. Every night I hear "it's not fair...if I can't have one you can't have one". Do I put my drink up? Nope, I simply say, when you can make it through the night without peeing your bed or wake yourself up to go to the bathroom, you can have a drink whenever you want. I know it's not exactly the same, just trying to find something to compare.

You know, if Kate took a sip of the water and then passed the bottle to Mady, there still would have been time, there's a decent chunk of time before they start filming after she screws the cap back on, Mady could have taken a quick sip of water. I assume she's old enough to drink from a bottle without needing a cup. Or if she was able to get a bottle, why couldn't she ask for one for Mady as well?

I feel bad for these kids, especially Cara and Mady. I wonder what they are going through in school, with this stuff all over the place. They're getting to the age where kids can be really mean, and it can't be easy for them to have this family drama all out in the open, and then having to face their peers day in and day out.

As for the drink, I would think that if she passed it to Mady, another would want a drink, then another and another and on. 1 - I think it's just yucky to share a drink (yes even with my kids) and 2 - passing it around is asking for a mess somewhere IMO. Someone's going to spill it, not going to be happy that it's not their turn, ect.

I feel bad for the kids as well and what they're having to deal with in regards to the "p" people and tabloids/magazines in the stores. It cannot be easy. I hope they're getting honest explainations from everyone involved (mom and dad mainly) about what's going on and have someone they can trust that they can talk to.

HA, my kids would do the same thing, but thats cuz Im the hard _ _ _ and dh is the easy going one.

Same here!! :rotfl:

I realize that she is a parent, but I don't feel that she should have had to wear a helmet just because she is. Should she not get in a car, where she could be killed in an accident? No, you can't stop living just because you are a mom.

He never is just Jon anymore. I'm sorry, you have 8 kids...you gave up the right to be just Jon. He wanted the motorcycle so he could get away and be just Jon.....:rolleyes:

Regarding Kate - No you can't stop living but you can make better choices for yourself to keep yourself safe. She's said MANY times that she's got 8 kids and can't be out of commission. She wore that crazy pink hat - why not a helmet?? When you're in a vehicle I would assume everyone would wear a seat belt, ect to make sure yourself and your passengers (general "you") are as safe as possible as you can only control your (again, genereal "you) actions and make yourself as safe as possible.

I didn't watch last night's show yet but watched part of the OCC last night again with DH. I can't believe how many times Jon commented on trading shows, being with the guys, stay at home daddy, ect. That's life....be thankful you have a job and get to do so many "experiences". Many people are loosing jobs, homes, ect and will never get to do what you're doing....

Are you a parent? It's just that it goes so against every motherly fiber of my being. You take care of child first, then yourself. Your first motherly instinct is to take care of the child. ?"

I'm a parent and as I stated above, I have different "rules" than my kids do. It's that simple. Now if I honestly thought my child was going to be dehydrated (can't imagine my kids ever being to that point), of course I'd be taking care of them. Taking a drink from a bottle of water is something every parent does. I wouldn't give her a drink (again, I haven't watched the video, only read about it here) simply because she's whining so much. Why reward that behavior with what she wants? Just my take on it....

I'm a parent of two wonderful and well adjusted daughters and I really really really think the "water episode" is not as serious as it is made out to be.

Have to say (again, didn't watch the video) but I agree! :thumbsup2

Glad to hear Disney Paris was good! :goodvibes

I didn't watch the show yet, but that would bug me too. Parents of little kids DON'T get out...it's a fact of life....then they get older and you can get out more....suck it up Jon!

SOOOOOO true!

Do you know the name of the camp ground?

I googled and this is what I found: Jubilee Acres Christian Campground Don't know if that's true or not.

Ok, all caught up again. I still need to bring my list. :rotfl:

OT - DS2's foot ISN'T broken :cool1: At least they don't think so. If he's still limping in a week, he has to go back for more x-rays to see if they can find the fracture. I guess I have a peg-leg little man for another week! pirate: Not how I wanted to spent $200 and my morning, but he's ok and I got meds for my crazy cold sores that won't go away so it was worth it! :goodvibes
 
Kate? Is that you?
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Just kidding.
:upsidedow

Sorry, I just don't like to see the remarks about the kids, and I wouldn't deny them anything. If the kids are getting something fun and special, I think it's a great treat for them, since they are part of the show. I certainly don't have to be Kate to wish fun and good fortune on these little ones.
 
It interesting we don't know/can't find more info about Kate's family and growing up. Also allegedly Kate's father organized the first round of donations (that were rejected) so they were still in their lives at that point. .
I thought the rejected items were used (albeit new looking) cribs from their church members. We don't know if she already had some donated ones, or what the reason was for her not wanting them.
 
It interesting we don't know/can't find more info about Kate's family and growing up. Also allegedly Kate's father organized the first round of donations (that were rejected) so they were still in their lives at that point. Based on what I know now about Kate and money, maybe b/c her parents didn't have much or didn't give her what she felt they should (monetarily) is why the rift is there. It makes as much sense as anything. She has said several times she didn't get to have life experiences in a 'poor me' voice. But I bet *her* parents gave her water when she aksed! :rotfl: Things do seem to make Kate happy, but most people need more than stuff in their lives.


I was a Gosselin googler from way back and there was much more information out there than there is now. There use to be sites like Television without pity and fans of reality tv that had huge threads but those have all been shut down.

While I know wiki isn't always known as the most reliable, this is pretty much what others said years ago about why her parents aren't in her life.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_Kate_Gosselin_estranged_from_her_parents
 
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