Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[themilesfamily]

Yes, it was tonight. I played it back right after it was said. I thought it was John, but I was trying to catch so many things, I'm no longer sure. I thought he said all of the kids, but he mentioned Cara and Mady more. It was very short. Just about what they were going through.

If Jon is no longer living in the house full-time, (i.e. as soon as Kate comes home he goes out to live in the carriage house -- or whatever they have on their property), I suppose that forced the issue of telling even the little ones.

 

[MoniqueU]

I think my DH cancelled the recording of this episode on the tivo. I am so annoyed. Or maybe it comes on later on the west coast? IF not does it replay during the week?

 

[brittsmum1998]

ITA! I just can't believe they keep filming---won't it be nice for the kids to look back at reruns and watch their family fall apart.

Jon just seems so unhappy especially when he remarked something about how he didn't choose the being at home, it was chosen for him. Of course it was...Kate has stars in her eyes and is willing to sacrifice her family for a TV show and her own success.

So very sad for those poor little children......

Did anyone catch when the producer asked Jon, what if the roles were reversed and Jon said that wouldn't happen, he can't write, can't talk and "doesn't even breath right" or something to that extent. It reminded me of all those interviews on the couch. I think he at this point must have very low self esteem.

 

[C.Ann]

Do not most of us here realize that this was edited by TLC? .

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No - we're all as dumb as a box of rocks..

Sorry - but editing or not, there is no disputing the actual words that came out of Jon's mouth or Kate's mouth..

What "happy" home videos those kids will have to look back on some day..

 

[themilesfamily]

Did anyone catch when the producer asked Jon, what if the roles were revered and Jon said that wouldn't happen, he can't write, can't talk and "doesn't even breath right" or something to that extent. It reminded me of all those interviews on the couch. I think he at this point must have very low self esteem.

That "doesn't even breathe right" comment was a DEFINITE potshot at Kate. There was an episode where Kate told him to stop breathing so loudly. She stopped the interview on the couch and made a big stink about how he was breathing -- and it got A LOT of air time on shows like "Talk Soup" and on Youtube.

Clearly Jon hasn't forgotten it.

 

[Buckalew11]

I caught that Jonn said that--about his staying home was chosen for him. What is that supposed to mean? I thought Jon got fired or laid off? Did he quit? And if he did quit, couldn't he have said, "No Kate, I want to work. It'll make me feel like more of a man." ?? If Jon hadn't been such a wuss for so darned long, things would probably have been a lot different.

Of course, in the next breath he is talking about "don't get me wrong, I love staying home with my kids." Does he? He's talking out of both sides of his mouth too. Seems to me like he allows a lot of "free-for-all-ing" esp. with the boys. Boys will be boys and all that good stuff but Jon seemed like he didn't care about how the kids were interacting to me. He seems as checked out in all that as he does with his wife.

DMRick, while I agree about TLC editing the way they wanted and what they wanted us to see, it still seems to me like people (posters) were watching 2 different shows or versions of the show. TLC didn't do a good job making people lean towards one or the other. The first like 20 posts after 9 EST show terrible anger towards the mother. There is a sprinkling of anger thrown in every once in a while for the father.

I didn't see people running to post that "Kate finally admitted she is working!" Oh well, the whole situation is sad and like I said, in need of a miracle, it seems. I know we'll see Jon with the Chopper show and also the Emeril show. This is all very sad and I feel sorry for the whole family.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Here's a recap of the actual episode from tonight...

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/kate-i-don-t-know-if-jon-and-i-will-be-together-next-year/22976

Kate: I Don't Know if Jon and I Will Be Together Next YearUs Magazine - 1 hour, 12 minutes ago

Jon and Kate Gosselin don't appear on camera at the same time until 45 minutes into tonight's premiere of Jon & Kate Plus 8.

Kate -- who shoots majority of her testimonial scenes solo (the couple usually appears as a pair) -- admits she and Jon may not be together for much longer.

"I am thinking this possibly could be our last family picture together," she says of a photo taken at the sextuplets' fifth birthday party. "I don't know...parents of multiples have, like, triple the divorce rate, and I was thinking we were gonna beat that. I don't know if I can say that anymore. Very swiftly, we turned into two different people, and that's just hard. I've tried for six months to figure out what the problem is, or remedy the problem. It's so complicated."

Adds Jon: "I think it was good for them [the kids] to see their mom and dad together in one place, even though it's been tough right now. Like I said, we will come together for our kids regardless of our relationship. We have to make a plan and settle jointly what we're going to do. There are good times and bad times and nothing is perfect."

In the episode, Jon spends a weekend away while Kate plans the sextuplets' fifth birthday party solo. She's seen struggling to drive the 15-person van, carry party supplies and control the children alone. She also complains about the paparazzi cameras to the reality TV cameras that trail her.

"It's a lot," she admits. "I would be lying if I sat here and said, 'Oh, I'm handing it great.' It's not fine."

The couple of nearly 10 years open up about their relationship issues. Jon denies his affair, despite more than five sources confirming it to Us Weekly, while Kate (who had her own "inseparable" relationship with her bodyguard) admits she's "angry" at Jon for the way he's been acting.

"Slowly, I've seen him almost resent the duties [of being a parent]," she tells the camera. "I know it's a lot to take care of eight kids. I'm traveling a lot, he's frustrated a lot. I think he's angry at me. He doesn't really feel great about me.

"Have I been hard on him for almost the last 10 years that we've been married? I would never deny that. I've always regretted it. Have I pushed him to this? I don't feel like I have. I feel like everyone is responsible for their own actions.

"I have a lot of anger. Because this is not where we're supposed to be. This is not what I envisioned for us. Not what I envisioned for him. He's made some very poor decisions, and we all have to live with them," she continues.

Jon admits the show has "become a business," and Kate laments that she's away so often on book signings, her kids sometimes accidentally call her by their baby-sitters' names.

"That kills you...I pour that mommy guilt on myself a lot," she says.

"I drove separately," Jon admits, while Kate breaks down into tears while preparing the cake and ignores her husband.

The show ends with the family having a barbecue and Jon and Kate acting cordial, yet removed, on camera.

 

[JeffGoldblum]

I would never defend what Jon did. I think cheating is HORRIBLE!

We have no idea if he cheated or not. It's all rumor for now. And if we are going off rumors, there is of course the rumor Kate was jonesing her bodyguard.

 

[luvmyfam444]

I don't know why Jon would want to help Kate ... Kate turns psycho whenever Jon is around and she is stressed. I think it worked out better for her to have her staff help out with the party decorations - Kate is actually nice to them. Do you remember the other B-day party episodes? Kate yelled at Jon in every single one of them. Even at this B-day party, as Kate was thinking this was the last family picture ever, she couldn't hold back and had to snip at Jon telling him where to sit and to take off his sunglasses.

I so noticed how giddy she was @ the setup of the party & with the crew & then still treayed Jon like a child....

 

[Buckalew11]

Did anyone catch when the producer asked Jon, what if the roles were reversed and Jon said that wouldn't happen, he can't write, can't talk and "doesn't even breath right" or something to that extent. It reminded me of all those interviews on the couch. I think he at this point must have very low self esteem.

I caught that also. Of course, I was watching this episode under a microscope.
Definitely a past hurt from Kate which just goes to show you that hurtful things really do hurt no matter what. Of course, he has been very hurtful and rude to her also. They just haven't been nice to each other--a big mistake many couples make. You should never treat strangers or friends better than people you supposedly love. It is definitely a mistake this couple has made that even a "dumb box of rocks" could figure out.

 

[DMRick]

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No - we're all as dumb as a box of rocks..

I did not say anyone on this board was dumb, so why would you again put words in my mouth? I'm thinking some may not realize just how much it's edited. I have no question you know a lot, but maybe some people don't realize that even what we see, has cuts in it, when other things may have been said in between things.

Yes, those words came out of their mouths, and since it's edited, unless you are very involved in the production of this show, you would have no idea what else came out of their mouths. Again, TLC edit's it how they wish for the ratings, and I have no doubt this is one of their highest rated show.

I'm very clear that you know just what this show will do to these kids, you've said it often enough..and I'm paying attention to everyone's views.

 

[DMRick]

You should never treat strangers or friends better than people you supposedly love. It is definitely a mistake this couple has made that even a "dumb box of rocks" could figure out.

This is so true.

And just for the record, I didn't call anyone dumb.

 

[JeffGoldblum]

 

[DMRick]

DMRick, while I agree about TLC editing the way they wanted and what they wanted us to see, it still seems to me like people (posters) were watching 2 different shows or versions of the show. TLC didn't do a good job making people lean towards one or the other. The first like 20 posts after 9 EST show terrible anger towards the mother. There is a sprinkling of anger thrown in every once in a while for the father..

That's what I saw..edited to get anger towards Kate. More on the line, of how she treated him, but I see now, how he treated her. I don't think either of them have liked each other for a long time as I watched past shows.

 

[Kycha]

I thought Jon seemed totally checked out of the relationship. I thought kate seemed like she herself was not giving up. I didn't think he seemed drugged. I thought he seemed cold and uncaring. The marriage didn't seem to mean anything to him on tonight's episode.

I agree. Did you catch the previews for next weeks episode? Kate and Mady go to L.A. In the preview, Jon said he was supposed to go too, but he "opted out". And he had this smug look on his face that I just wanted to slap him. The next shot is of Kate on the beach with Mady, and Kate looks so sad and lonely.

 

[MoniqueU]

Does this show reair at some other time?

 

[Buckalew11]

I suppose he thinks he is "opting out", "needing a weekend off", "has work to do" and it hurts Kate but the reality is that it hurts the children far more than it hurts the mom. It hurts when someone choses to "opt out'' of their time with you.

 

[luvmyfam444]

I'm not a TOTAL follower of the show - I've caught many episodes - but don't know all that's gone on with the family members.....tell me what's happened with them all? Wasn't one of the grandmas around for 1 b'day (like the carnival one) what happened - did she get run off or not agree with them doing the show? What about the siblings - I know there's Jodi but it seems like there's another sibling? I know Jodi kept the kids all the time - but she wasn't at tonight's b'day party.....but I know she did some talking - so I'm wondering if she's disowned now?

 

[luvmyfam444]

Ya know if it IS all for the kids - then they'd ask TLC to pay for their marriage couneling & then break the contract - surely they have enough money saved by now to raise those kids well & pay the lawsuits for breaking the contract...I'm sure hoping they've saved!?!?

 

[Kycha]

Can anyone post a link to the interview Kate did for People magazine? Thanks in advance!