Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[MoniqueU]

Well now I know what it's like to get invited to a party wehre everyone knows each other but you only kbow the host so you can't follow along the stories they are telling you since you weren't there. On and no onr offers you a cocktail but manages to make some for their "friens".

 

[Annie68]

I watched the show this evening with a heavy heart, it will be my last. I am in disbelief that TLC thinks this is good reality TV, that a crumbling marriage & family is considered entertainment for everyone to watch . Shame on John and Kate both for allowing this to continue. How much money is enough?

 

[CF'er]

This was a very painful episode to watch. But I really thought that as stressed as Kate seemed she really wasn't as OCD as she normally is. The silly string at the party.... she was actually laughing and not acting as "uptight" as she normally does.

I will say I don't watch it faithfully but she really seemed more "natural" and real.

 

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

Does this show reair at some other time?

Tonight at 8, before the Duggars I believe.

 

[megthewonderful]

After last night's episode, I will no longer be watching. I can not bear to watch a family fall apart. However, I did think it was very telling that one of the kids called the babysitter mom and that one of the girls told Jon how much she missed him when he wasn't home. Kids speak the truth and both things broke my heart. TLC should stop airing the show and give them some privacy to work through these issues. I thought it was obvious that they have already separated and it seems as though neither is really interested in working things out.

 

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

That's what I saw..edited to get anger towards Kate. More on the line, of how she treated him, but I see now, how he treated her. I don't think either of them have liked each other for a long time as I watched past shows.

I was angry towards Jon last night. Where exactly was he most of the episode while she prepared for the party?

I have noticed that they don't seem to like each other for awhile. Their body language while they sit in the interview chair speaks volumes. They don't hold hands, kiss, sit closely, etc. Kate often looks like she would rather be in another chair. And everything either says has been a cut-down for a long while.

 

[torinsmom]

Kate just said that one of the kids called her the babysitter's name instead of hers. That is sad. She admits she's away alot and it's more like work.

I am a babysitter for a 3 year old less than two hours in the afternoons. He sometimes calls me mom(and corrects himself) or vice versa. Doesn't mean he doesn't ever see his mom or that he thinks I am his mom. He also calls her Marsha sometimes when we are both there. Unless a child runs for comfort to the babysitter when the parent is there, I don't see why it is problem for a child to have more people to love them.

Kate almost seems too nice to the kids. Almost forced cheerfulness. Strange.

I don't know if you have ever been in this situation, but I have. Have you ever heard the expression "I have to laugh or I will cry?" That is how it feels after a normal betrayal in a marriage. I know I felt almost numb, but had to put on a brave face for others. I can't imagine if I was trying to do that for the whole world.

I wish people would stop bashing Kate. Unless you have been in her shoes, it's a very difficult situation she is in. My husband had an affair and ultimately ended our marriage. I know how much it hurt me, I can't even put it into words, to have it played out for all the world to see, I can't imagine how that feels. It's been 3 years and my ex doesn't talk to me....ever. John reminds me of my ex. He checked out and is done with the family thing. He shows no emotion at all. My ex behaves the same way. Kate is trying to hold it all together, she was never a mushy person before, why would she show emotion now? Her comment that she is exhausted was referring to John, that she was putting the party together without his help. Yes there is help, but it is not the same as having your husband there with you. He was so arrogant arriving in his sports car, the one his girlfriend drove, to the party. Never mentioned that Kate did a good job. It was "we had some bouncy things" This man had his girlfriend at Kate's house sunbathing!! What a total lack of respect for your wife and family. Kate is expected to "be nice" to him at the party? Kate should speak to him? This man embarrassed his entire family to all the world. Everyone says the show should end.....maybe. However, this family has become accustomed to a certain life. It is much more difficult to walk away from a lavish lifestyle then it is to have nothing and gain it all. I think Kate is looking towards the future....no way can a single mom of 8 kids make a decent living. There won't be any child support/alimony.....the man has barely held in job in 5 years. He himself said he hasn't worked in 2 years. What kind of support would he give them? I don't blame Kate one bit for continuing. If you don't like what she does, stop watching and buying the books, magazines. The show will continue if there is ratings.

Sorry to go on and on, but I have NO respect for a cheating spouse. (I know there are rumors about Kate cheating, no one has yet to provide proof of that)

TIA! I have been there, done that and Jon is acting like a child caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He looks like he has been at the gym, with his biceps sticking out and he has his own fake(or not) tan. He seems like a man going through mid-life crisis, with his fancy little sportcar and teenage little friends. Obviously, it takes two to end a marriage, but he just seems so smug and arrogant, and it brings me right back to when my ex just decided he was done with family.

I feel for Kate. No matter what she is like as a person, she still has a heart. I bet she is hurting, and I don't blame her for not speaking to Jon more often at the party.

Marsha

 

[cosmicrays]

I found it interesting when Jon said how he stayed home the last 2 years so Kate could go on book signings and speaking engagements. She didnt look to happy.

 

[madge]

I think the kids are going to be embarrassed at what their parents put the family through so publicly.

Even Jon said, someday my kids are going to Google me and I'm going to have to explain to them what happened.

But it's "all for the kids....."

and they keep on filming.

while I don't believe he's innocent in all of this, Jon looks like he has been browbeaten to believe that he should shoulder every bit of the responsibility in this situation. every thing has been spun to Jon's bad choices, wrong place/wrong time, the children will google me, etc. There are TWO people in the Gosselin marriage. They should share responsibility of the breakdown in the relationship. Kate claims she's been dealing with this for 6 months, that's she tried to "fix" things... even acknowledging it in the People magazine article. But, I can't help but wonder if, for one second, Kate or Jon considered taking this show off the air .. to work on their marriage in private. I saw no respect between them at all, on the couch or at the party.

 

[madge]

I was angry towards Jon last night. Where exactly was he most of the episode while she prepared for the party?

why is everyone so fixed on Jon not being there to help Kate get ready for the party? I didn't see that as a big deal at all. We've had events at our house and my husband doesn't help me with the prep.

and let's not forget ... the party was part of the episode. Kate had plenty of help. There are production assistants, etc. with the show. It wasn't like the crew stopped by the Gosselin's house while Kate was setting up for a party. What did she have to do? Fill pinatas, put table cloths on the tables, set out the food & paper goods .. it wasn't an elaborate set up.

SHOULD he have been there? Of course, it would have been nice .. but I don't see the big deal that he wasn't. Especially since Kate had been gone for several days before the party weekend.

This was one of those things I believe was edited to look like a much bigger deal than it really was.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I will tell you that I never watch this show anymore but I did catch it last night. It was heartbreaking. If Jon did cheat then there is no excuse for that at all but I did see that he has told Kate 9 million times that he did not want to do the show anymore. She said "I love what I do! but Jon doesn't" So why not compromise? I get the impression that this has morphed into being all about her and not the kids. I truly don't believe she is doing this for her kids. She is doing this because she likes the fame aspect of it and not just the money. It is very obvious.
I will say though that it was nice that for once she wasn't acting like a drill sgt. It was nice to see her not so hung up on perfection. Maybe that will save them. I thought that she was more likaeable last night than she normally is. Of course I still think she was a bit ridiculous complaining about doing the party "all by myself". She had help. She also didn't have a bunch of infants. She had to put together 30 goody bags. Whoopy! I know that I as well as many other Moms have done that countless times. I will cut her some slack though because I can only imagine what is really going on in the house and I do feel bad for them.

I really do hope that they stay together. They need to turn the cameras off and focus on their family. Something they have never really done. They are blessed and they don't seem to realize that anymore. I think they both have stuff to work on but I hope they aren't just throwing in the towel. The 6 months that she says he has changed isn't a terribly long time. Maybe he was trying to tell her before that and she was not listening or maybe he didn't see her point either.
At any rate, I hope they work it out. As much as I don't agree with their show I find it very sad that they are going through this.

 

[heartsy77]

Jon is completely checked out of his marriage, obviously for some time now. He seemed so cold and uncaring. IMHO they have been living apart I remember one of the tups telling Jon she didn't want her to go away anymore. He pretty much lied to her and told her he had to work. If I was Kate I would cut my loses. He obviously has changed and isn't the man she married. I saw the pain in her face and her body language. I just cant believe that he had no emotion for is own wife and mother of his children. I also don't buy the "Kate is so mean to Jon she drove to it". If you wife is demeaning then you be a man and stand up to her! It is the whole Dr. Phil theory people treat you how you set it up . I have very similar personality tendencies as Kate; when I go to far my DH calls me on it. He does not go out to bars and pick up young girls. I see a nasty divorce coming there way, so sad!

 

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

why is everyone so fixed on Jon not being there to help Kate get ready for the party? I didn't see that as a big deal at all. We've had events at our house and my husband doesn't help me with the prep.

and let's not forget ... the party was part of the episode. Kate had plenty of help. There are production assistants, etc. with the show. It wasn't like the crew stopped by the Gosselin's house while Kate was setting up for a party. What did she have to do? Fill pinatas, put table cloths on the tables, set out the food & paper goods .. it wasn't an elaborate set up.

SHOULD he have been there? Of course, it would have been nice .. but I don't see the big deal that he wasn't. Especially since Kate had been gone for several days before the party weekend.

This was one of those things I believe was edited to look like a much bigger deal than it really was.

I think because it illustrated that he is "out" of the marriage and "out" of their house. When Kate was away, she was working. What was Jon up to? It just illustrated that he is becoming an absent dad and estranged husband.

The two should put their marriage FIRST, not the kids. They can surely take off for a week to work on things IF they wanted to. I don't think they want to. We just happened to watch Fireproof this weekend and I was noticing how many of these steps (days) would probably be beneficial had they been doing them all along.

 

[mtemm]

we watched last night, mainly because my husband wanted to. he didn't believe the rumors and such about jon, but now does. we both do. and we are both very sad, for the kids, for the couple.

so much of it hit home for us because we just went thru this ourselves over the past few years. thank god without paparazzi and the world watching! so much was like watching our own life...his vacant/checked out looks. the look in her eyes was a lot like how mine used to look...like she is in shock, and holding things together when the rug has been ripped out from under her. being "up" and "on" and overcompensating. the sadness.

and the kids. the older ones stepping up, their quietness. the little ones innocent confusion. it was really hard to watch.

will keep the whole family in my thoughts and prayers, but won't be watching any more.

 

[1stluvispooh]

Did anyone catch that Kate said she did not go out and sell the first book? That is was the second book (even though people were still buying the first, and she was autographing it)? The one she wrote herself?

Did anyone catch where John said some people will say anything. He guesses for $20,000 it's worth it to them.



He has loved what the limelight has brought him. He hates that he got caught. He's seeing his pay going out the window. He may have to go find a job..if he still can after lying about why he was laid off.




It doesn't matter what she would have said, it would have been her fault that the marriage seems to be breaking up. She looked like a hurting woman to me (and him a hurting man). I assume the way she is feeling has something to do with her exhaustion. With all teh emotional stuff going on, she prob is exhausted. I"ve heard Diser's going through a divorce talk about the exhaustion. Did anyone catch the remark Kate had, about John wanted her away, so she went away.

After watching a weekend of past shows, I now see that Kate is loud in her critism, Jon is quiet in his. His is more demeaning to her, in my opinion. I'm surprised she ever felt loved by him. Personally, I don't think they would have lasted even without the show.


That's what I thought when she said it. But again, it doesn't matter what she says, if you don't like her, anything she says is negative.

That has been my feeling the whole time! Yeah I know I'm pages behind. You go to bed and in the morning after you get the kids off to school there has been 7 pages.

 

[Mermaid02]

Jon is completely checked out of his marriage, obviously for some time now. He seemed so cold and uncaring. IMHO they have been living apart I remember one of the tups telling Jon she didn't want her to go away anymore. He pretty much lied to her and told her he had to work. If I was Kate I would cut my loses. He obviously has changed and isn't the man she married. I saw the pain in her face and her body language. I just cant believe that he had no emotion for is own wife and mother of his children. I also don't buy the "Kate is so mean to Jon she drove to it". If you wife is demeaning then you be a man and stand up to her! It is the whole Dr. Phil theory people treat you how you set it up . I have very similar personality tendencies as Kate; when I go to far my DH calls me on it. He does not go out to bars and pick up young girls. I see a nasty divorce coming there way, so sad!

I agree! He's done with the family thing- he needs his "me" time- I know of 3 men who have recently told their wives pretty much that. It's disgusting. Marriage is work- theres fault on both sides- and they need to work through it-Not just throw in the towel and be done with it. For God's sake this is their FAMILY- not a home improvement project.

 

[mtemm]

why is everyone so fixed on Jon not being there to help Kate get ready for the party? I didn't see that as a big deal at all. We've had events at our house and my husband doesn't help me with the prep.

and let's not forget ... the party was part of the episode. Kate had plenty of help. There are production assistants, etc. with the show. It wasn't like the crew stopped by the Gosselin's house while Kate was setting up for a party. What did she have to do? Fill pinatas, put table cloths on the tables, set out the food & paper goods .. it wasn't an elaborate set up.

SHOULD he have been there? Of course, it would have been nice .. but I don't see the big deal that he wasn't. Especially since Kate had been gone for several days before the party weekend.

This was one of those things I believe was edited to look like a much bigger deal than it really was.

it was a big deal. I don't know if you've ever been in that situation before, but I have. preparing for my son's 6th birthday party was really hard. yes, I did most of the prep for his other birthday parties prior without a ton of help, but my husband had been there, had been on board. to prepare for the party isn't just about the work, its also about shared memories. and while the extra set of hands is nice, its the doing together, or rather the suddenly not doing together, that really hurts.

birthdays by nature are reflective and nostalgic, and from my own experience are really hard to get thru when the person who has always been there has suddenly checked out of everything.

 

[brittsmum1998]

I agree. Did you catch the previews for next weeks episode? Kate and Mady go to L.A. In the preview, Jon said he was supposed to go too, but he "opted out". And he had this smug look on his face that I just wanted to slap him. The next shot is of Kate on the beach with Mady, and Kate looks so sad and lonely.

I thought he was being snarky, what man wants to go to a spa? Not to mention the fact that he took Cara away to Utah, I just figured it was Mady's turn. I do agree, sadly he seems to have checked out.

I think Kate had two options, marriage to him or the show. Unfortunately, she has made it clear, it is the show. I do hope they were separated when he cheated on her, not that its right.

 

[wdwgirl03]

I agree with so many others, that episode last night was so sad. There were several times I felt like crying, I just felt so bad for those kids. And that scene with Jon and Alexis at the party. OMG. I really don't know what else to say.

 

[luvmy3]

I wish people would stop bashing Kate. Unless you have been in her shoes, it's a very difficult situation she is in. My husband had an affair and ultimately ended our marriage. I know how much it hurt me, I can't even put it into words, to have it played out for all the world to see, I can't imagine how that feels.

I'm sorry for what you have gone through but the Kate and Jon situation is totally different. They are choosing to have this played out for the whole world to see, at least Kate is anyway. If she'd just shut her mouth and use those words "no comment" or really deal with it in *private* like she said said in one of interviews I'd feel differently. If she wants to continue to do this show all the while they are in the middle of a seperation then she brought all this negativity onto herself as far as I'm concerned.
It is sad that their marraige is ending but they had a choice to deal with it themselves or continue to pimp out their family for the almighty dollar and they chose the latter (at least Jon didn't want to, but we all know who really wears the pants there so it didn't matter )
Oh and I've been a Kate and Jon basher since day one, I have zero respect for either of them and it was there long before the cheating, seperation, divorce, whatever is going on now thing. I feel so bad for those children but not single ounce of pity goes to either of those parents.