Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[madge]

Really???? That's what all guilty people say.

then Kate is lying, too. she says there's nothing going on with the bodyguard... so she's guilty as well?

there are a lot of people out there (I am not one of them) that don't believe that it's Jon in the pictures. That it's all been fabricated by the tabloids.

 

[Nawlinslady]

I wish people would stop bashing Kate. Unless you have been in her shoes, it's a very difficult situation she is in. My husband had an affair and ultimately ended our marriage. I know how much it hurt me, I can't even put it into words, to have it played out for all the world to see, I can't imagine how that feels. It's been 3 years and my ex doesn't talk to me....ever. John reminds me of my ex. He checked out and is done with the family thing. He shows no emotion at all. My ex behaves the same way. Kate is trying to hold it all together, she was never a mushy person before, why would she show emotion now? Her comment that she is exhausted was referring to John, that she was putting the party together without his help. Yes there is help, but it is not the same as having your husband there with you. He was so arrogant arriving in his sports car, the one his girlfriend drove, to the party. Never mentioned that Kate did a good job. It was "we had some bouncy things" This man had his girlfriend at Kate's house sunbathing!! What a total lack of respect for your wife and family. Kate is expected to "be nice" to him at the party? Kate should speak to him? This man embarrassed his entire family to all the world. Everyone says the show should end.....maybe. However, this family has become accustomed to a certain life. It is much more difficult to walk away from a lavish lifestyle then it is to have nothing and gain it all. I think Kate is looking towards the future....no way can a single mom of 8 kids make a decent living. There won't be any child support/alimony.....the man has barely held in job in 5 years. He himself said he hasn't worked in 2 years. What kind of support would he give them? I don't blame Kate one bit for continuing. If you don't like what she does, stop watching and buying the books, magazines. The show will continue if there is ratings.

Sorry to go on and on, but I have NO respect for a cheating spouse. (I know there are rumors about Kate cheating, no one has yet to provide proof of that)

Totally agree!!!

 

[Minnie Melissa]

I just finished watching the premiere and my heart is broken. As I tell my kids, every decision we make, good or bad, effects someone around us. We all have choices in life and in this case I don't know who has made the wrongs ones. Only God knows what truly is going on. No one ever said marriage is easy. I pray that thinks work out for them and that they make the best decision for their family in regards to filming.

 

[mrsksomeday]

The fact is that just because we see this show we don't "know" either one of them. TLC like any other network, edits things the way they think they will get get best ratings. We "thought" Kate was treating Jon like a child, we "thought" Jon was being passive agressive in his attitude. None of us know what did or did not happen, none of us knows what is going on now.

The best thing that family can do it tell TLC that the tapings are over, that they want out of the public spotlight, that they are going to work on making life normal for their children. Time to stop being celebrites and just be a mom and a dad.

 

[Buckalew11]

new to this thread but a constant lurker......to those who didn't like her comments about the party being long...the impression I got when she said that was that she felt like the party was running really long and it was kind of an apology to the parents who were there with their children. I think she was kind of worried that they were thinking it was running way long...... This is what I thought too. There were a lot of parts to this party--bouncing, magic show, eating, and pinatas.

I feel sorry for her.....I have to say she is obviously hurting....as one who has been through that situation (of course not with 8 children though) I know it is incredibly hard......John just seemed very defensive.....it seems like she wants to work it out but doesn't know if it is possible and after seeing how he was acting I think she may be right.......which is very sad......I think he seems like he is realizing he misses his freedom.......well guess what........he's not free........get over it........he should never have been photographed in a car with another woman....or videotaped coming out of her apartment.......stupid moves on his part.....as far as what is being said about her and the security guard.....I've seen no concrete proof....so I'm not convinced.....Jon and the other woman......well....if it walks like a duck....and squawks like a duck.........well you know..........Has his life been a cakewalk since the babies were born? No, it hasn't.....Is Kate hard to live with? Probably so..... Does that give him the right to run around?????? NO WAY!!!!

Just my opinion......

Again, I agree.

Well, I agree that the best thing to do is, if you're unhappy, end the marriage or relationship and THEN find someone else. But I do think that what sometimes happens is that one spouse is not really happy but they don't really know it, or don't know why. They aren't being treated well, but the marriage they have is all they know. They are very vulnerable, but don't realize it. Then they meet someone who treats them lovingly and kindly - and they suddenly see what they've been missing, and they fall hard for that person.

Not ideal, but understandable, I think.

Teresa

While I agree with what you are saying I think people very often CHEAT because they are afraid to give up what they know. What is the relationship is just a fling? What is the sex is not good? (you know test drives and all that crap) What about the children, the house, the business, the family, friends, and MONEY? I think all to often they cheat first and then they'll see if they still want to risk losing it all. JMHO

Did anyone catch that Kate said she did not go out and sell the first book? That is was the second book (even though people were still buying the first, and she was autographing it)? The one she wrote herself? I did.

Did anyone catch where John said some people will say anything. He guesses for $20,000 it's worth it to them. Yep.



He has loved what the limelight has brought him. He hates that he got caught. He's seeing his pay going out the window. He may have to go find a job..if he still can after lying about why he was laid off.




It doesn't matter what she would have said, it would have been her fault that the marriage seems to be breaking up. She looked like a hurting woman to me (and him a hurting man). I assume the way she is feeling has something to do with her exhaustion. With all teh emotional stuff going on, she prob is exhausted. I"ve heard Diser's going through a divorce talk about the exhaustion. Did anyone catch the remark Kate had, about John wanted her away, so she went away. I caught that also. And even suspected it when she was away for long and being judged for it. For all we know they may have some sort of visiting schedule already set up.

After watching a weekend of past shows, I now see that Kate is loud in her critism, Jon is quiet in his. His is more demeaning to her, in my opinion. I'm surprised she ever felt loved by him. Personally, I don't think they would have lasted even without the show.


That's what I thought when she said it. But again, it doesn't matter what she says, if you don't like her, anything she says is negative.

Exactly. I have thought about this a lot today.

I thought Kate said Jon needed a weekend off?

or do you mean why, in that why did he choose at that time to not be there?

Kate said that Jon said that Jon needed the weekend away/off.

I think this marriage is over and it makes me sad. I got the impression that Jon has already checked out. It seemed to me that Kate while although angry and hurt, would be willing to give it another try.

It is so sad because I had hoped that they would make it. And it doesn't matter if they stop the show now or not, if one of them has check out doesn't mean they will check in once the show is over.

I thought Jon seemed totally checked out of the relationship. I thought kate seemed like she herself was not giving up. I didn't think he seemed drugged. I thought he seemed cold and uncaring. The marriage didn't seem to mean anything to him on tonight's episode.

I thought the scene with him and the DD was so very sad. "Daddy, I don't want you to leave anymore." His reaction was so blah. Like well, I'm gonna do what I'd going to do. Talk about helpless and hopeless. It seems that way tonight. I hope this get better as we see other episodes. We know he doesn't do Kate's b-day with them at Charm City, right? He does the chopper one though.
I thought Kate handled herself very well tonight. The critical and hateful posts on this thread during tonight's show were hard to read. Placing all the blame on her was just ''wow". She is to blame for many of their problems but she is not to blame for his cheating (if he did actually cheat) and checking out.

6 months ago would be around Dec. Possibly November. May is the 5th month, after all.
I have not viewed the vow renewal yet but I have it tivoed. I can't wait to see what they were like for that. because how can you renew vows and then turn around and in 3 or 4 months break them or change so much you that you want out of your marriage? Oh yeah, probably the same way my friend's ex-DH got her pregnant because they were trying to and then when she got pregnant he says, "I've been wanting out for a long time now..."

 

[madge]

The fact is that just because we see this show we don't "know" either one of them. TLC like any other network, edits things the way they think they will get get best ratings. We "thought" Kate was treating Jon like a child, we "thought" Jon was being passive agressive in his attitude. None of us know what did or did not happen, none of us knows what is going on now.

The best thing that family can do it tell TLC that the tapings are over, that they want out of the public spotlight, that they are going to work on making life normal for their children. Time to stop being celebrites and just be a mom and a dad.

agreed.

 

[Singleminnie]

My children noticed when Jon "finally arrived at the party" that he and Kate were not talking or really even acknowleding each other. Also when Kate mentioned that she had been dealing with this for six months, I wondered if one of the ways she attempted to work things out was the contract mentioned previously allowing Jon to see other women. As a family in the middle of a divorce it was sort of good for my children to see this happens to other families also, they even mentioned it, esp after Kate's stats on divorce rates. I hate to see an children go through this, but I know sometimes it is the best thing for everyone.
BTW are the six attending kidergarten or preschool?

 

[eyeheartgoofy]

Would it fly in your house to have your husband "take off" while you had 8 children and were decorating for their birthday party? If people are so quick to judge Kate for having a sitter with the kids when she is decorating for their bday party perhaps they should ask "where is Jon?" and "why isn't he with his own children?".

I think TLC is just setting the audience up for a Kate + 8 show, so they picked a day to film when Jon wouldn't be around. The filming/editing for this episode took place AFTER Kate pretty much announced in People that she was leaving Jon. I don't know why Jon would want to help Kate ... Kate turns psycho whenever Jon is around and she is stressed. I think it worked out better for her to have her staff help out with the party decorations - Kate is actually nice to them. Do you remember the other B-day party episodes? Kate yelled at Jon in every single one of them. Even at this B-day party, as Kate was thinking this was the last family picture ever, she couldn't hold back and had to snip at Jon telling him where to sit and to take off his sunglasses.

Basically, from what I gathered ... Kate was gone on book tour all week, and when she returned, she spent time with the kids and Jon vacated the house. It sounds like it is the usual course for the two of them for the past several months ... one parent in the home, the other out.

 

[themilesfamily]

Here's my take on tonight's fiasco:

1) I have a really hard time believing Jon when he says he didn't cheat on Kate. There are photos of them together, photos of her in a bikini on his front lawn while his wife was out of town, video of him leaving her house at 7:30 a.m. and a whole slew of people who are confirming their relationship -- including two of this girl's brothers, (one of whom she lived with and who spoke with Jon IN THEIR OWN HOME.) I think he looked uncomfortable because he's lying -- but he knows that if he doesn't admit it and that girl doesn't admit it, it can never be proven 100%.

2) Kate, Kate, Kate. That woman is so negative. She hates the treat bags, she hates the weather, she hates doing everything by herself, wah, wah, wah. There are things I love about Kate -- she's poised, she motivated -- but she is CONSTANTLY complaining about something or someone.

3) I thought Mady's behavior was significantly improved.

4) I just thought both Jon & Kate came off looking terrible. I didn't like either of them by the end of the show.

Call me a hater, I don't care. These people have been given everything in life -- health, wealth, family, friends -- and they just seem okay to crap everything away trying to fulfill their own wants, needs, egos.

 

[ireland_nicole]

joining in...

Kate never let Jon finish a single sentence. Just now, and possibly for the first time ever,she said, "I'm only speaking for myself..." and it came out as an accusation.

I believe in marriage, but I think the best thing for the kids would be to have their parents divorced. There are eight kids here who are absorbing & modeling Jon & Kate's behaviors. That's eight kids who are learning to belittle their father and ultimately their spouse, be mean, nasty, harsh critical, treat your spouse as a second class whipping dog.

The best thing that could happen for these kids, in my opinion is to see their father in a different, hopefully happy marriage, where he's appreciated, treated kindly and thoughtfully and as an equal. That he's with a spouse who considers his thoughts instead of finishing his sentence like she knowst better. maybe then, some of these kids will possibly have a good marriage of their own some day, instead of a repeat of their parents.

If divorce seems like such an easy solution, then you don't really believe in marraige. The best thing for these kids is certainly not to have their parents living two seperate lives, it's for their parents to be an example to them of how to love each other. And no issue is ever one sided; it amazes me that there are really people who think that if a spouse cheats, it's the fault of the other spouse; they didn't try hard enough, they weren't doting enough, whatever. That's the same logic some people use to say that if a spouse is abusing their partner, it's somehow the fault of the victim. I don't think their style of communicating was the most ideal, but no one knows what was said/done 24/7. From the beginning, Jon has always said how young he was when the twins and the tups were born. That may have played into this more than is immediately apparent. Is Kate critical? Yep. Does that mean her husband has a dream fastpass to cheat? Of course not. Marraige vows say for better, for worse. Not just I'll be faithful until something better comes along.

Well, I agree that the best thing to do is, if you're unhappy, end the marriage or relationship and THEN find someone else. But I do think that what sometimes happens is that one spouse is not really happy but they don't really know it, or don't know why. They aren't being treated well, but the marriage they have is all they know. They are very vulnerable, but don't realize it. Then they meet someone who treats them lovingly and kindly - and they suddenly see what they've been missing, and they fall hard for that person.

Not ideal, but understandable, I think.

Teresa

No where in the marraige vows does it say, I'll stay married as long as I'm happy; if that changes, I'm outta here and all bets are off. My DH and I are the parents of two kids with significant special needs. Since the birth of the 2nd, he has struggled w/ depression. I also have an autoimmune disease. There are a lot of times I'm not happy. But I'm commited to my marraige, not just because it's what's best for my kids, but because I made a promise, and I meant it. I do not ever spend time with men without my husband. I do not have personal discussions over drinks, etc. with other men. Those are choices I make to protect my marraige. Whatever else is or is not going on, it takes a serious of pretty darn poor choices for an affair to happen- emotional or otherwise.

 

[C.Ann]

OMG, I can't believe her!! "I'm just doing my job, John is home with the kids but he HAS help..." "Yes, I'm hard on him but he is responsible for his own actions.." BLAH BLAH BLAH!

So she takes NO responsibility for any of this?? She's the one who wanted all this in the first place, it's her job because she is choosing this. He said he did NOT want to do the show anymore. And now look what it brought on. Whether he cheated on her or not, she needs to take responsibility for continuing with something that he was against and she still talks about "her job" like it's normal and that had nothing to do with all of this! Grrrr she makes me so mad!

It takes two - but she obviously doesn't feel as though any of "her" choices have been poor ones..

I don't really feel bad for either of them. Kate OR John. They brought this situation onto themselves. They both made bad choices..

Again - it takes two..

Kate just told the kids that paparazzi are following them and then says "boy, if your 5 yr. old knows about the paparazzi they must have been following them awhile." Duh...you just told them and I'm sure you have before. This is sad for the kids and ridiculous for the adults and should really STOP!

"Hurry - the paparazzi are coming after us.." Nice way to scare the living daylights out of your kids.. Oh - but wait! The kids are totally "unaware" of all of this - being as "sheltered" as they are..

Joel says the paparazzi are here when they get to the party store.
Kate says she makes the kids call the paparazzi the p people because it sounds creepy for them to go to school and say the paparazzi were chasing us..

You must have heard wrong.. The kids don't know anything about this stuff.. Not to worry..

Funny how she talked about how Jon has help, but mentioned how she had to shop with the kids ALL BY HERSELF.

Guess she fires all the help on the rare occasions that she's home..

Kate just said that one of the kids called her the babysitter's name instead of hers. That is sad. She admits she's away alot and it's more like work.

"Remember when Mommy used to be at home with us??" Want to bet that thought has rolled through those childrens minds?

WOW!! She is just ignoring him at that party!!

She spoke to him a total of 5 times - each one to "tell" him to do this or that.. Stood together once - behind the birthday cake..

Wow. Notice how she told Carla that she would have to go get the cakes from "him" and now they aren't even speaking to eachother when they are near eachother. This is so hard to watch.

Except to send him on errands and tell him things to do.

Wow, body language and saying someone has to get the cake from "him".
You can tell he has not been in the house living, look at the kiddo hugging him....

OMG.

Daddy, I don't want you to leave any more ...

Ok, I think my heart just broke....Alexis was talking to Jon and being very cute and then she hugged him tight and he looked about to cry and she said I love you Daddy. Jon asked her if she missed him and she said yes.

Sorry, but if these two cared anything about their lives together (or their children) this show...would be over....just my opinion~

I agree..

This is a trainwreck and the injured are the children.

TLC should be ashamed to be even airing this. The pain is evident in the children. I may be done with this show.

If the children are noticing the paparazzi following them every where they go, it is time to STOP the show and end this madness .

I'm so upset now too; I wish I hadn't watched that show. I for one will not be watching it anymore.

It was also evident to me that neither of them are interested in this point in staying together;

I hope all that money and those freebies were worth it.

To the adults? I'd say yes..

But if the unfortunate happens and they do divorce, I can see Jon petitioning the court to discontinue the kid's involvement in the show, thereby basically rendering it off the air. Does that seem possible to anyone else?

I - for one - will pray for this.. "One" of these parents has to step up and say, "Enough is enough.. My children are being "warned" that the papparizi are "coming after us".. We need to STOP this - NOW!!"

Not that I would mind, for one - I won't be watching any longer and I hope TLC takes some heat for this. They're profiting on the downfall of a family, and one that has 8 kids, no less. Shame on them.

I taped the show.. TLC and all of the sponsors of this show will be receiving emails/letters from me voicing my extreme displeasure over this "train wreck" being filmed for all of the world to see..

When these children are older, can you imagine having these videos of your childhood to look back on??

 

[rileyroosmom]

I don't know if Kate is guilty....just know there isn't proof. Honestly, if she is having an affair with the body guard I almost can't blame her.
I've never liked Jon. He is so immature and pouty all the time. He never stood up to Kate or formed an opinion of his own. He got fame and fortune and doesn't have to work and disrespected all of them. If Jon wasn't happy, have the guts to end it and then go for your sleezy affair. Show some respect to the woman you once loved who is the mother of your children. He just walked away from them all because he can't be himself? What a looser.

I'm done with this show and with this thread. I wish Kate much luck and happiness, she isn't a perfect person, but she does not deserve what her husband has done and what most of the people on these boards have said about her.

 

[themilesfamily]

When these children are older, can you imagine having these videos of your childhood to look back on??

I think the kids are going to be embarrassed at what their parents put the family through so publicly.

Even Jon said, someday my kids are going to Google me and I'm going to have to explain to them what happened.

But it's "all for the kids....."

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Here's my take on tonight's fiasco:

1) I have a really hard time believing Jon when he says he didn't cheat on Kate. There are photos of them together, photos of her in a bikini on his front lawn while his wife was out of town, video of him leaving her house at 7:30 a.m. and a whole slew of people who are confirming their relationship -- including two of this girl's brothers, (one of whom she lived with and who spoke with Jon IN THEIR OWN HOME.) I think he looked uncomfortable because he's lying -- but he knows that if he doesn't admit it and that girl doesn't admit it, it can never be proven 100%.

2) Kate, Kate, Kate. That woman is so negative. She hates the treat bags, she hates the weather, she hates doing everything by herself, wah, wah, wah. There are things I love about Kate -- she's poised, she motivated -- but she is CONSTANTLY complaining about something or someone.

3) I thought Mady's behavior was significantly improved.

4) I just thought both Jon & Kate came off looking terrible. I didn't like either of them by the end of the show.

Call me a hater, I don't care. These people have been given everything in life -- health, wealth, family, friends -- and they just seem okay to crap everything away trying to fulfill their own wants, needs, egos.

Totally agree. I'm am done with this show and really wish I hadn't watched the season premiere tonight. It just saddens me that now the sextuplets (and Cara and Mady too) will now have this video record of their parents on their 5th b-day acting like they don't love each other. That is sad. I think they are already seperated which is why Jon can say he didn't cheat because in his mind he and Kate are over.

 

[DMRick]

Even at this B-day party, as Kate was thinking this was the last family picture ever, she couldn't hold back and had to snip at Jon telling him where to sit and to take off his sunglasses.

LOL. Family picture. mom's on one end, dad on the othere. Don't you arrange your pictures? That was also one of the pics they used to pitch the show.
Sun glasses off..yep, I've said it many of time myself.

there are a lot of people out there (I am not one of them) that don't believe that it's Jon in the pictures. That it's all been fabricated by the tabloids.

I'm glad you are not one of them. As for many people thinking that is not Jon in the pictures, this is the first time I've heard that. It was his sports car, he said she wanted to test drive his car.

This is sort of interesting..several links to follow up in it:

http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/celebritydivorce/f/jonkate_divorce.htm

She hates the treat bags,

Did she say she hated them, or that she didn't realize they would take so much time?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I don't know if Kate is guilty....just know there isn't proof. Honestly, if she is having an affair with the body guard I almost can't blame her.
I've never liked Jon. He is so immature and pouty all the time. He never stood up to Kate or formed an opinion of his own. He got fame and fortune and doesn't have to work and disrespected all of them. If Jon wasn't happy, have the guts to end it and then go for your sleezy affair. Show some respect to the woman you once loved who is the mother of your children. He just walked away from them all because he can't be himself? What a looser.

I'm done with this show and with this thread. I wish Kate much luck and happiness, she isn't a perfect person, but she does not deserve what her husband has done and what most of the people on these boards have said about her.

Whoa, but you jumped all over Jon for being a cheater but if Kate cheated it's ok?

 

[nuke]

Whoa, but you jumped all over Jon for being a cheater but if Kate cheated it's ok?

I don't get that either and it seems to be that way with all the Kate supporters.

This show is a train wreck and I'm done with it. I really don't care to watch Kate and Mady at the spa next week. That's just more time away from her kids again but "It's all about the kids". Yeah right Kate.

They both suck.

 

[themilesfamily]

Did she say she hated them, or that she didn't realize they would take so much time?

She said she hated treat bags and she thought most other parents did, too. She hates the stuff that gets brought home in treat bags.

Why not just enjoy filling treat bags with your two daughters -- who seemed to be enjoying the process -- why immediately turn it into something negative -- "I hate this. I hate that." How about talk to your daughters instead of talking to the cameraman to make sure all of America knows how much you hate what you're doing.

 

[pigletgirl]

The episode isn't on here for another 15min.

Man oh man....my heart hurts for all the kids, but especially for Mady and Cara.

 

[LoraJ]

I don't think it is okay if either of them cheated.
But I feel like Jon has, and she hasn't. None of us know for sure.