Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[SpecialK]

I'm sorry....I totally disagree.....If you are not happy....man up and say it and then move on ......do not sneak around and wait until you are caught.....there is NO EXCUSE in my book for cheating on a spouse......I know the children are involved but I would have way more respect for him if he would have done that.....

Well said! Takes two to make a marriage.

 

[Imzadi]

they're still filming episodes. Jon included. While it looks like things are bad with the marriage, they're still able to suck it up and crank out new shows. I can't imagine why he'd stop their earning potential while it's at an all time high. Jon likes the freebies and material perks of the show .. he said so in an interview not long ago

I remember seeing an interview with Tina Turner. After she literally ran away from her abusive marriage to Ike Turner & wouldn't continue their concert schedule, she was sued by these venues for breach of contact, for the profits they would have made. To her credit, it took years, but she paid them all.

Whe Sonny & Cher got divorced during their TV series, they, too, kept on with the "Sonny & Cher show." It was such a farce as the magic was gone. But they were under contract.

I *think* Desi Arnaz & Lucille Ball continued with their tv show, even though their marriage was privately over for a while.

 

[kellermomof3]

He's checked out because he's had enough. I didn't see the very beginning, so I don't know if he admitted to having an affair or being with another woman. I am NOT an advocate for affairs. But, research states that spouses (of both sexes) leave or have an affair because the way the person they are having an affair with makes them feel. If he got some respect, some tenderness, a person who actually listened to him, made him feel special and not simply a servant for the kids, was kind instead of critical, yeah, I can see why he finally checked out of his cold, emotionally empty marriage.

It's a shame. I saw a couple pictures and footage of Kate at the start of their marriage. She was actually softer. She's become cold, harsh & critical. There are parents who've raised large families without becoming that, so having large families is not an excuse.

I agree

Side note: my husband thinks she's trying to look like Posh Spice.

 

[Imzadi]

I'm sorry....I totally disagree.....If you are not happy....man up and say it and then move on ......do not sneak around and wait until you are caught.....there is NO EXCUSE in my book for cheating on a spouse......I know the children are involved but I would have way more respect for him if he would have done that.....

Just clarifying: I did say in my post, I do NOT advocate having affairs. I agree with you, get out, then start a new relationship. That goes for Kate, too, who allegedly had an affair with her bodyguard. I was referring to how he is NOW emotionally check out of their marriage and probably won't check back in.

 

[Teresa Pitman]

Well, I agree that the best thing to do is, if you're unhappy, end the marriage or relationship and THEN find someone else. But I do think that what sometimes happens is that one spouse is not really happy but they don't really know it, or don't know why. They aren't being treated well, but the marriage they have is all they know. They are very vulnerable, but don't realize it. Then they meet someone who treats them lovingly and kindly - and they suddenly see what they've been missing, and they fall hard for that person.

Not ideal, but understandable, I think.

Teresa

 

[Gette88]

Another lurker here
I just felt the need to chime in tonight. That was painful to watch and so sad, now I can't sleep.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Wow, if watching it once wasn't enough -- they're replaying it now.

 

[KSchwagg86]

Tonight made me SO sad!

 

[DMRick]

Did anyone catch that Kate said she did not go out and sell the first book? That is was the second book (even though people were still buying the first, and she was autographing it)? The one she wrote herself?

Did anyone catch where John said some people will say anything. He guesses for $20,000 it's worth it to them.

To me it's obvious that Jon hates the limelight and has for awhile,

He has loved what the limelight has brought him. He hates that he got caught. He's seeing his pay going out the window. He may have to go find a job..if he still can after lying about why he was laid off.

She seems to be damned either way.

It doesn't matter what she would have said, it would have been her fault that the marriage seems to be breaking up. She looked like a hurting woman to me (and him a hurting man). I assume the way she is feeling has something to do with her exhaustion. With all teh emotional stuff going on, she prob is exhausted. I"ve heard Diser's going through a divorce talk about the exhaustion. Did anyone catch the remark Kate had, about John wanted her away, so she went away.

After watching a weekend of past shows, I now see that Kate is loud in her critism, Jon is quiet in his. His is more demeaning to her, in my opinion. I'm surprised she ever felt loved by him. Personally, I don't think they would have lasted even without the show.

the impression I got when she said that was that she felt like the party was running really long and it was kind of an apology to the parents who were there with their children.

That's what I thought when she said it. But again, it doesn't matter what she says, if you don't like her, anything she says is negative.

 

[figment52]

For anyone who wants to check out one of their facebook pages: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1314550984#/JonandKatePlusEight?ref=ts

Kate said several times she's been "dealing with this" for 6 months...that would be October correct? The first pictures came out in Feb correct? (I'm sure madge has the timeline for reference!! ) So that means they've been having problems throughout the holiday season and pretty much as soon as they moved right?? That's got to be awful to have to "make things work" for six months and to still not know what you're going to do at this point.

Off the current topic - did anyone read that Deanna's other brother came out and confirmed their relationship?

Wasn't October the vow renewal?

 

[KSchwagg86]

And also, someone told me that they read somewhere that they are DEFINITELY getting a divorce...is this true?

 

[madge]

Kate said several times she's been "dealing with this" for 6 months...that would be October correct? The first pictures came out in Feb correct? (I'm sure madge has the timeline for reference!! ) So that means they've been having problems throughout the holiday season and pretty much as soon as they moved right?? That's got to be awful to have to "make things work" for six months and to still not know what you're going to do at this point.

the move was late Fall -- if there was already trouble, then that explains Jon moving to the garage apartment that's been widely speculated on blogs and message boards.

in January, it was reported that Jon bought the Utah condo. (Kate mentions in her People interview that she made many attempts to make Jon happy .. this might have been one of them)

things started breaking about problems in the marriage in February.

Off the current topic - did anyone read that Deanna's other brother came out and confirmed their relationship?

I just read that!

 

[madge]

Wasn't October the vow renewal?

August.

 

[FoundMyPrince]

Exactly,,,Well said...

Where are the kids while she is decorating?? With the sitter again...Come on most moms can decorate for a party and watch the kids....!!!!

Maybe she wanted the decorations to be a surprise for the kids? Perhaps the question is why wasn't Jon with the kids when Kate was decorating?

 

[PrincessKsMom]

After watching a weekend of past shows, I now see that Kate is loud in her critism, Jon is quiet in his. His is more demeaning to her, in my opinion. I'm surprised she ever felt loved by him. Personally, I don't think they would have lasted even without the show.


That's what I thought when she said it. But again, it doesn't matter what she says, if you don't like her, anything she says is negative.

It amazes me how two people can watch the same show and see two entirely different shows.

 

[Erin1700]

This may be a petty observation, but when Jon was saying he never was with that woman, he kept making this face that I have NEVER seen him make before. It screamed "I am lying" at me, I hope I am wrong. (I have taken many classes in body language, psych, etc)

 

[KSchwagg86]

And I am getting so frustrated with all the Kate haters

 

[GJM]

She looked like a hurting woman to me. I assume the way she is feeling has something to do with her exhaustion.

I totally agree with this - the show was so sad to watch.

 

[madge]

Perhaps the question is why wasn't Jon with the kids when Kate was decorating?

I thought Kate said Jon needed a weekend off?

or do you mean why, in that why did he choose at that time to not be there?

 

[Nawlinslady]

Just clarifying: I did say in my post, I do NOT advocate having affairs. I agree with you, get out, then start a new relationship. That goes for Kate, too, who allegedly had an affair with her bodyguard. I was referring to how he is NOW emotionally check out of their marriage and probably won't check back in.

Sorry...I guess I was just venting and using your post to do it...I've seen and heard so many people say that she deserves this (I know you weren't saying that) I have watched the show from Day 1 and I can't believe how emotional I am about this......I have to say though, I am not really convinced about her "affair".....there are way too many damaging pictures out there to doubt Jon's though......