Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[1stluvispooh]

As for whether or not kate would agree to the contract. The Kate from a few years ago "no", but this new Kate, I don't know. She has already done soo many things that I didn't think she would have done.

Party's still on. Who's going to bring the dip?

Can't I leave me DH at home?

 

[PrincessKsMom]

I just keep coming back to that coupon episode. If she blew up over something like that do you really see her being like "ok Jon since we aren't working out, why dont you go find yourself a girlfriend. No really it's ok. My lawyer and I have made a contract for it"

If find it highly unlikely as well, except if there is any truth to the idea that Kate was the first to cheat and did, indeed, tell Jon's she's basically checking out of the marriage. In that case, I could see her agreeing to let him lead another life, but keep him tied to the family in order to further sell their "brand". That's a lot of "ifs", but I've heard crazier things. And FWIW, I can't imagine her EVER being stupid enough to put it in writing. She's too smart to have anything in writing.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I just keep coming back to that coupon episode. If she blew up over something like that do you really see her being like "ok Jon since we aren't working out, why dont you go find yourself a girlfriend. No really it's ok. My lawyer and I have made a contract for it"

Who said anything about a lawyer????

 

[MichelleVW]

I want that puppy!!! I haven't seen a puppy that adorable since who knows when.. You're so lucky!!

Thanks!! He's a sweetie!! But I think last night when he was crying in his crate DH would have fed ex'd him to you overnight!!

 

[MusiqChic99]

Who said anything about a lawyer????

No one...i was just being silly when I said that. Trying to make light of the situation I guess.

Sorry.

 

[Promomx2]

Can't I leave me DH at home?

Sure, just as long as you bring a snack. Maybe some red fruit rollups in honor of Kate's red jacket. I'm trying to think of a snack to honor her hair?

 

[sbell111]

I agree with this. I think there may be something in writing about obligations to participate in the filming of the show. But a "you can have a girlfriend contract?" Not a chance.

I don't think any lawyer would advise their client to write in a contract that a spouse be allowed to have sexual partners on the side. Think of the ramifications of that should there be a divorce down the road. You would have given up the "my spouse was unfaithful card" that so many people pull out when it comes time to petition for money, custody of the kids, etc. It's something you can hold against a person to get what you want in a divorce. (Sad, but true.) Also, what does that say about you as a person and about how YOU'VE checked out of the relationship?

I would agree with you that a wife is unlikely to sign a document saying the husband can get satisfaction elsewhere, except in those cases where the wife gets something in return. For instance, if Kate were to believe that her best chance at continuing the lifestyle (and 'stardom') that she currently enjoys was to allow Jon to date, she might possibly do it.

 

[themilesfamily]

You know, I was thinking. Would it be the worst thing in the world if these two divorced? Perhaps it would be better if Kate found someone more Type A like herself and Jon found someone more laid-back like him. People with whom they are more compatible.

I'm not like YAY divorce, but perhaps it's better for the kids to grow up with happy parents rather than parents who are constantly battling each other, as all reports seem to indicate.

ETA: And they could BOTH have their own reality shows! Double the money, yah!

(Just kidding -- although I do think they would both get one if they wanted it!)

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Did somebody mention the "coupon" episode? Here's a clip from it...my personal favorite quote is where Kate says she's going to shoot Jon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bws_SOjqUhk

 

[themilesfamily]

Another funny parody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJmzM1wqO4

This is done by a sketch comedy group in NYC.

 

[MagicKisses2]

Just found this thread, and I'm only on page 4 but wanted to subscribe.

I haven't read everything posted yet, and have a bunch of comments to make, but I almost feel like I'm jumping in late in the game!

Okay here goes, please don't hate on me!

First of all, I do feel that in a marriage if one partner is "so unhappy" in life and brings their concerns to you, as a wife/husband we should consider their feelings and try to come to some understanding. If that means (in J&K situation) that they take a season off and work on their marriage, that would be a good thing. Reality TV kills marriages... And they just had their wedding renewal and metioned to the kids how mommy's and daddy's stay together and this is showing them that, not matter what! Hmmm... doesn't sound like that now...

Secondly, I did hear the rumor about the "contract" that Kate had Jon sign saying that he could date as long as he was part of the show. In my opinion this is completely against Kate's personallity. She is (sorry) controlling, I can't imagine her allowing another woman near her man... I love Kate and Jon and have been so impressed how they have been filmed in real life situations (good and bad) and had always professed their love. I don't think Jon would want the girlfriend clause either... It's weird and he is being followed and his pictures are every where, so how could it even be done?

Okay, I have to go back to page 4 and keep reading!! Sorry if I'm totally off current topic!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Just found this thread, and I'm only on page 4 but wanted to subscribe.

I haven't read everything posted yet, and have a bunch of comments to make, but I almost feel like I'm jumping in late in the game!

Okay here goes, please don't hate on me!

First of all, I do feel that in a marriage if one partner is "so unhappy" in life and brings their concerns to you, as a wife/husband we should consider their feelings and try to come to some understanding. If that means (in J&K situation) that they take a season off and work on their marriage, that would be a good thing. Reality TV kills marriages... And they just had their wedding renewal and metioned to the kids how mommy's and daddy's stay together and this is showing them that, not matter what! Hmmm... doesn't sound like that now...

Secondly, I did hear the rumor about the "contract" that Kate had Jon sign saying that he could date as long as he was part of the show. In my opinion this is completely against Kate's personallity. She is (sorry) controlling, I can't imagine her allowing another woman near her man... I love Kate and Jon and have been so impressed how they have been filmed in real life situations (good and bad) and had always professed their love. I don't think Jon would want the girlfriend clause either... It's weird and he is being followed and his pictures are every where, so how could it even be done?

Okay, I have to go back to page 4 and keep reading!! Sorry if I'm totally off current topic!

I agree with your post, I think this past season it was obvious things weren't good between J&K. Then on the season finale Jon was saying how he wasn't handling all this well and seemed to be really struggling. Kate of course talked over him saying that she's loving what they're doing and is so happy.

As far as the contract, I just don't think it sounds realistic. Why would Kate actually do something so ridiculous that would jeopardize their image? I'm not buying it so we'll see what happens on Monday night's season premiere! I bet this thread will be flying like crazy that night!

You made a great point...if one spouse is truly unhappy that you should do what you can to help them through that whether it be just listening and being supportive or coming up with solutions. I really hope they can work things out, they have 8 beautiful little reasons too!

 

[bbsak]

I don't know what to believe. It's almost too ridiculous...a secret marriage contract allowing your spouse to have girlfriends? It seems pretty far fetched to me and Kevin & Jodi said they're only going by what Jon has told them. I can't imagine Kate making up a contract but maybe I'm wrong.

The contract sounds strange to me, too, but I guess to each their own and probably stranger things happen in high profile relationships that I'd be shocked about if I knew what went on behind the scenes. I've felt from different things Jon has said on tv and in interviews that he'd he's uncomfortable being on camera and would be happier if he wasn't. Last night's E.T. mentioned that it seemed he avoided being in the B'day party scenes -- we'll see on Monday. Perhaps, there was some kind of agreement w/Kate with some incentive to keep him on the show. I don't think we'll ever know the whole truth.

But, it does seem to me that TLC/Kate's PR is trying to get something going for/with Kate separate from Jon. They've featured pics of her with the kids when pics with Jon could have been used. They've given her a blog (although I personally question who wrote it - it just didn't seem like Kate's writing or speaking style). She's had prime magazine covers and interviews alone. And, we know she's branched out on her own into writing, children's clothing, etc. Maybe I'm getting the wrong vibes or jumping to conclusions, but it just feels to me like they're getting things set up for her in case Jon decides he wants out - or that they want him out.

I just hope that no matter what happens with the show or J&K that the kids are protected from the frenzy happening because of their parents and the show controvercy and that J&K are devoting themselves to raising healthy, well adjusted, and happy children.

 

[1stluvispooh]

You know, I was thinking. Would it be the worst thing in the world if these two divorced? Perhaps it would be better if Kate found someone more Type A like herself and Jon found someone more laid-back like him. People with whom they are more compatible.

I'm not like YAY divorce, but perhaps it's better for the kids to grow up with happy parents rather than parents who are constantly battling each other, as all reports seem to indicate.

ETA: And they could BOTH have their own reality shows! Double the money, yah!

(Just kidding -- although I do think they would both get one if they wanted it!)

Totally agree with you. I'm not hey try getting married you can always get divorced later but even in the "good" old days of Jon & Kate they were always fighting. I don't think that is the best situation to grow up in. I just keep thinking what does it teach your kids to live in a house were someone is always yelling, belittling and generally loosing it on a hourly base!

 

[Seahunt]

I feel Kate would only be insanely jealous if she didn't have something on the side herself. Just my opion

Just to add my $.02 to this, I feel that something happened way before this last crisis. I have posted this before (so maybe this makes it my $.04 ) but Kate seemed to lose all respect for Jon for some reason quite a while ago. We know that Kate can just cut people out of her life, and maybe something major happened to make her look at Jon that way.

I remember way back at the beginning when Jon was accused of being too close to one of the female producers, anyone else remember that? His answer was that she was someone that he could talk to, so I wonder in real life if Jon & Kate have been disconnected as a couple for a long time.

I don't want to think either one cheated, but I can imagine an emotional affair could happen to either one if both are apart and lonely due to schedules. Maybe being around that hunky bodyguard with his New Zealand accent and sharing different events made Kate and him emotionally close and opened Kate's eyes to life in a different direction? Maybe she started comparing Jon, and Jon didn't measure up in the way she needs now.

I mean compare this new Kate to the one who went shopping with Jon so that he could pick out her clothes because she thought he had better taste. She has really evolved from that point. She is more and more media savvy, and has even been to spinning class lately (and I don't mean the exercise bikes).

The only problem is that the kids are the true stars while the adults are turning into prima donnas. I could just watch a show with the kids alone, with no adults at all

Also I really hope all this isn't a big PR stunt to get viewers.

I know this will never happen, but I wish they would come out and make an annoucement that they were stepping away from the limelight and concentrating 100% on just being a happy family. I'd like to think it's never too late, but then I have a Disney heart so I always want happy endings.

 

[themilesfamily]

I wonder if they're going to announce they are divorcing and that Kate is carrying on with the show and Jon has chosen not to be a part of it.

It would make sense with the little clips they've shown for next season.

1) Kate & Jon not together on couch.

2) Jon saying, "Life is not about ratings and television," (or something to that effect.) He also says, "I can't be myself," and, "I might as well be in prison."

3) Kate saying, "Everything I do, I do for my children," (or something like that.) She also says, "I will not give up. I will not lay down and die."

It could be Jon explaining why he's not continuing with the show and Kate explaining why she is.

It would also explain why they had to rework the season-opener so many times and the show wasn't in the can until just recently -- perhaps Jon & Kate were still making up their minds about their intentions for staying together & whether they'd be on the show or not.

Or I could be wrong! Perhaps they're just going to acknowledge their problems and say they're going into counseling.

 

[1stluvispooh]

Just to add my $.02 to this, I feel that something happened way before this last crisis. I have posted this before (so maybe this makes it my $.04 ) but Kate seemed to lose all respect for Jon for some reason quite a while ago. We know that Kate can just cut people out of her life, and maybe something major happened to make her look at Jon that way.

Do you really think she had a lot of respect for him to begin with? To me she would just mouth off and say whatever and never take in to consideration Jon's feelings

I remember way back at the beginning when Jon was accused of being too close to one of the female producers, anyone else remember that? His answer was that she was someone that he could talk to, so I wonder in real life if Jon & Kate have been disconnected as a couple for a long time.

I have never heard this before but I might be behind things.




I mean compare this new Kate to the one who went shopping with Jon so that he could pick out her clothes because she thought he had better taste. She has really evolved from that point. She is more and more media savvy, and has even been to spinning class lately (and I don't mean the exercise bikes).

Spinning class Too funny!


I know this will never happen, but I wish they would come out and make an annoucement that they were stepping away from the limelight and concentrating 100% on just being a happy family. I'd like to think it's never too late, but then I have a Disney heart so I always want happy endings.

I really doubt that will ever happen. Kate would have to put people in front of money and right now I just don't see her doing that

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Ugh, I just saw another clip on TLC for the season premiere...Jon was saying that he feels like he's in prison and doesn't feel so great now and Kate is saying everything she does is for the kids. Then they're shown on the couch together and it was just awful. Kate was sitting as far away from Jon as possible and he looked like he wanted to be somewhere else. What if it is all true, that they are splitting up? I for one would be sad to see that happen. They started out so great and happy together and look where they are now. That little sneak peek was really depressing, I'm thinking maybe they really are going to say they're seperating or something. I know what I'll be doing Monday night.

 

[MichelleVW]

You know, I was thinking. Would it be the worst thing in the world if these two divorced? Perhaps it would be better if Kate found someone more Type A like herself and Jon found someone more laid-back like him. People with whom they are more compatible.

I'm not like YAY divorce, but perhaps it's better for the kids to grow up with happy parents rather than parents who are constantly battling each other, as all reports seem to indicate.

ETA: And they could BOTH have their own reality shows! Double the money, yah!

(Just kidding -- although I do think they would both get one if they wanted it!)

I think two Type A people would drive each other insane. I'm a little Type A and my DH is really laid back....at times he drives me bonkers with it, but usually he just laughs at me and calms me down.

 

[madge]

That little sneak peek was really depressing, I'm thinking maybe they really are going to say they're seperating or something. I know what I'll be doing Monday night.

me, too... I will not contributing to TLC's marketing scheme.