Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[mistydoodles]

Boy, her pain could be felt, couldn't it

I thought so.

 

[TheZue]

Wow! That article was heartbreaking! No flames but I have always liked Kate; regardless if you like her or not she does not deserve to be treated like that by her own husband! I understand that she feels obligated to continue the show. I am not saying I agree with her; I just understand how expensive it is to raise a large family ( and I only have 4 kids to provide for). IMO John has never really been involved with his family the way he should have. Let alone I think he lazy as far as working regular job vs doing the show. SAD is all I can say... I feel sorry for her and the kids. It is bad enough Jon is acting like a jerk but everyone gets to see it.

Actually that is a good point. What is she supposed to do? We've seen the grocery bills they have that are over $1000, and he's not really in a hurry to go get a job despite complaining about doing the show. It's just a nasty sitatuation they are all in.

 

[C.Ann]

I feel the same way after reading the article. I was really heartbreaking..

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Very sad article.. A long, long time ago (as far back as the 2nd or 3rd season) I predicted that there would come a time when this marriage would hit the skids.. The signs were there - but neither one of them were tuning into them..

No one wanted to see their marriage end - and I think most of us can agree that Jon & Kate do love their children dearly.. However, I still don't feel the "show must go on" for them to survive - together or apart.. If we are to believe the money has been handled responsibly, they're in decent shape.. Kate will continue to earn money from her books, she can do limited speaking engagements, (she could even return to nursing if need be) and although their lives may not be as elaborate as it currently is, my DH and his 14 sisters and brothers grew up with much, much, MUCH less - and for the most part, had a very happy childhood and thoroughly enjoyed being one big happy family..

As for Jon - he could get a job - a "real" job - and do what is right - help support his children..

The handwriting was on the wall a long, long time ago.. Too bad they didn't take the time to read it..

 

[mistydoodles]

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Very sad article.. A long, long time ago (as far back as the 2nd or 3rd season) I predicted that there would come a time when this marriage would hit the skids.. The signs were there - but neither one of them were tuning into them..

No one wanted to see their marriage end - and I think most of us can agree that Jon & Kate do love their children dearly.. However, I still don't feel the "show must go on" for them to survive - together or apart.. If we are to believe the money has been handled responsibly, they're in decent shape.. Kate will continue to earn money from her books, she can do limited speaking engagements, (she could even return to nursing if need be) and although their lives may not be as elaborate as it currently is, my DH and his 14 sisters and brothers grew up with much, much, MUCH less - and for the most part, had a very happy childhood and thoroughly enjoyed being one big happy family..

As for Jon - he could get a job - a "real" job - and do what is right - help support his children..

The handwriting was on the wall a long, long time ago.. Too bad they didn't take the time to read it..

I agree. Money is not the most important thing, family is. Hopefully these two will figure that out before it is too late.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Thanks for posting that article, madge.

It is sad to hear what she had to say, but I still say she sounds very self absorbed. Sure, she needs to have the income if she and Jon split, but she still wants her fame too. IMHO, she needs to make amends with her family, get a real job, and let them help her with the children and give the children a chance to get to know their grandparents and aunts and uncles. Right now, they have no one except Mommy & Daddy and the film crew. And Mommy & Daddy are too busy dealing with themselves right now, so like one poster said, "who do the kids have?"

 

[katieam1]

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Very sad article.. A long, long time ago (as far back as the 2nd or 3rd season) I predicted that there would come a time when this marriage would hit the skids.. The signs were there - but neither one of them were tuning into them..

No one wanted to see their marriage end - and I think most of us can agree that Jon & Kate do love their children dearly.. However, I still don't feel the "show must go on" for them to survive - together or apart.. If we are to believe the money has been handled responsibly, they're in decent shape.. Kate will continue to earn money from her books, she can do limited speaking engagements, (she could even return to nursing if need be) and although their lives may not be as elaborate as it currently is, my DH and his 14 sisters and brothers grew up with much, much, MUCH less - and for the most part, had a very happy childhood and thoroughly enjoyed being one big happy family..

As for Jon - he could get a job - a "real" job - and do what is right - help support his children..

The handwriting was on the wall a long, long time ago.. Too bad they didn't take the time to read it..

I agree with you! Hopefully they have invested well and they would still be ok. Plus, just because they stopped the show now does not mean down the road they could not pick it back up when things are more "normal" or at least when there has been a resolution to the whole situation.

The article was very interesting! I agree with her in the fact that no matter how either of them treated each other they are responsible for their own actions. There is no excuse for what he has done. No matter how she acts towards him (and we have all seen some of the examples, sometimes I agreed with why she was mad I just don't agree with how she acted about it) she did not drive him to that! He made his choice!

 

[katieam1]

Thanks for posting that article, madge.

It is sad to hear what she had to say, but I still say she sounds very self absorbed. Sure, she needs to have the income if she and Jon split, but she still wants her fame too. IMHO, she needs to make amends with her family, get a real job, and let them help her with the children and give the children a chance to get to know their grandparents and aunts and uncles. Right now, they have no one except Mommy & Daddy and the film crew. And Mommy & Daddy are too busy dealing with themselves right now, so like one poster said, "who do the kids have?"

I agree! I think those kids need family, need support if their parents do split. I Do not like my in-laws AT ALL but I still let my husbands family around because my kids should be able to know them and make their own choices/opinions. Now I am not saying let your children around a murder or a criminal but just because personalities don't mess doesn't mean you write off family. Other wise my in-laws would have went a long time ago!!!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Just finished reading the People article. Well, Jon is an idiot, I think we ALL can agree on that! But let's not forget that Kate is a clever, determined woman. She has said numerous times that she loves what she's doing, wants to have her own talk show, loves being in the studio. Not only that, she makes no apologies for who she is and how she acts. She knew that this story was important for her to get out there, she's no fool. As a matter of fact I think she's the most shrewd person I've ever come across. Anyhoo, back to the article...

If all the things she claims are true, then it is sad. She is painting a very disparaging picture of Jon, how he didn't want to do the show so she told him to get a job, volunteer, go back to school, etc. It's all very interesting. She wants people to believe that she is the one sacrificing and working hard for her kids. I don't know how I feel about that yet. Apparently she is the ONLY one working for kids by criss-crossing the country to promote her book. It still is a hard pill to swallow thought that she NEEDS to be doing the show, promotions, speaking engagements because of the kids and their future. Unless she and Jon are completely brainless, they should have lots of money stashed away. That argument is getting old in my opinion. Their college fund was started by the Lt. Governor of PA so all Kate really needs to do is have enough $ for them to eat and pay for the house, if TLC hasn't paid for it at least to some extent (they had to construct an interview set in the new house). Again, there are so many large families and they are making it work. I think Kate's problem is that she wants a certain lifestyle (big surprise) for herself and her family that necessitates a larger income than other families. Therefore in her mind, she NEEDS to do all this. Also, if she was SO worried about money and was worried about Jon not wanting to do the show, then why on earth buy such a large house?? The timing of Jon voicing his unhappiness about the show with the new house all fits. I just think that was a foolish move on both their parts. Jon is complaining about how unhappy he is, Kate loves what they're doing so let's add more stress by buying an enormous house! That won't add any pressure or make Kate feel she needs to work more.

Wow, it really does sound like some trashy novel, doesn't it? Well, I can only imagine what the 1st episode will be like then.

Oh, and as far as the affair with her bodyguard, I don't think she did. She isn't THAT stupid and knows if it got out, she'd be done. In the article she addresses this and says she's worked too hard to take herself down in that way. I actually believe that part. Of course I could be wrong...

Bottom line, they both are responsible for their actions. Honestly right now, they are acting like children...he said, she said, blah blah blah. Both of them need to stop running to the tabloids and go home together and hash this thing out. Believe it or not, they owe that to their marriage, each other and their kids.

 

[DMRick]

I agree! I think those kids need family, need support if their parents do split. I Do not like my in-laws AT ALL but I still let my husbands family around because my kids should be able to know them and make their own choices/opinions. Now I am not saying let your children around a murder or a criminal but just because personalities don't mess doesn't mean you write off family. Other wise my in-laws would have went a long time ago!!!

Do your children know you do not like your husbands (and their) family at all? If so, I think they'll take their cue from you. (Hope your in laws aren't on the dis!). I don't mean to get into why you don't like them, but imagine how you would feel if they decided to give whatever they think their side of the story is, in an interview and talked bad about you. Bet you would never talk to them again.

I hope something can be salvaged, because it's even harder now, to raise 8 children as a single mom, with or without family help, financially then in the days when my mom had 22 kids in her family. And now that her brother has come forward (and it appears there is more to come on the interview) with all his comments on what they think of Kate, that will be a hard fix. If some of the people here aren't talking to their families and have no plans to, or don't care for their families (or vice versa) think how hard it would be to heal if the family you didn't get along with gave out interviews about you...true or not. It's going to be awful hard for Kate, if she and Jon split, to ever be friends with her brother and his wife again, just like it would be hard for any of us, in the same circumstances.
She sounds like she has been dealing with a lot and hanging on with the tips of her fingernails to balance it all.

 

[lisaviolet]

Okay, always been a fan. Of both. Of the show. Never disliked Kate. Hated how she talks to Jon at times. But just see her as human. Faults like all of us.

But I have to say I was sickened - I bought it so I wanted to know but then felt like I was reading intmacies that I shouldn't know...ie. I had no idea she would give all that out - by the article. I don't know how you work on your marriage after giving that interview. I don't know how.

I know Jon did wrong. Hand's down. No arguments. And I believe he did it. Obviously. I'm naive. But who has 23 year old "friends" sunbathing at your house without your wife at home? Really.

But I was still shocked and mortified - despite how Jon has embarassed and hurt her deeply - that she put all of that in print.

I don't know how you go back. I've just always been a firm believer of taking things/problems/feelings back to the source of the issues. For Kate - namely your husband and marriage. I feel so sad for the family - the children.

 

[OhMari]

Thanks Madge for scanning the articles.

Kate has come a long way.
Remember how freaked out she was when they slept in a hotel on the way to Disney. She didn't want any of the kids touching the carpet with their barefeet. The 2nd picture she is sitting on the ground in a hotel room.

Kate should comprimise.
Stop traveling all over promoting your book and just do your show.
Next year all the kids will be in school full time and Jon could find something. I thought he was producer of the show.

 

[Promomx2]

Well at least they still have the old house. I'm sure it would be cheaper all around, if kate has to go it as a single mom. I'm just not picturing her sacrificing anything for the sake of those kids.

Wonder if Jon has thought of opening his own bar.

 

[katieam1]

Do your children know you do not like your husbands (and their) family at all? If so, I think they'll take their cue from you. (Hope your in laws aren't on the dis!). I don't mean to get into why you don't like them, but imagine how you would feel if they decided to give whatever they think their side of the story is, in an interview and talked bad about you. Bet you would never talk to them again.

No, I do not make my dislike known. My mom,my dad and sister are the only ones I talk to about it. I am always very pleasant to them and invite them to everything, I try to talk to them more than my husband does. I do not even say anything to my husband about it. (who has his own bad feelings towards his family so I listen when he talks but do not add anything.)
My mother in law is not a nice person at all to anyone, not even her own children which is half of the reason I do not like her, the other half is she has NEVER been nice to me even when I try. She has even tried to split my husband and I up. But I still let her come around until my husband says other wise, which will be a happy day believe me!! I am sure she is not on Dis (and my husband is not on Dis either). She does not like Disney and thinks we waste our money on it! But oh well. I love my husband too much to let his family come between us and I would never put him in the position to feel like he has to choose. I would never want anyone to do that to me so I would not do it to him.

Oh well back to Jon and Kate! Hopefully the kids will not suffer either. Even if they split hopefully they can be friendly and not let what happen between them effect their children.

 

[Embel]

Okay, always been a fan. Of both. Of the show. Never disliked Kate. Hated how she talks to Jon at times. But just see her as human. Faults like all of us.

But I have to say I was sickened - I bought it so I wanted to know but then felt like I was reading intmacies that I shouldn't know...ie. I had no idea she would give all that out - by the article. I don't know how you work on your marriage after giving that interview. I don't know how.

I know Jon did wrong. Hand's down. No arguments. And I believe he did it. Obviously. I'm naive. But who has 23 year old "friends" sunbathing at your house without your wife at home? Really.

But I was still shocked and mortified - despite how Jon has embarassed and hurt her deeply - that she put all of that in print.

I don't know how you go back. I've just always been a firm believer of taking things/problems/feelings back to the source of the issues. For Kate - namely your husband and marriage. I feel so sad for the family - the children.

It' s the kind of stuff you'd tell your closest friends in private. The problem is that they no longer have any friends.

 

[focusondisney]

Does anyone else think it's ironic that 1 of Kate's topics in Detroit tonight is "tips for a stress free house"?
Unfortunately this situation is like passing a wreck on the highway.. it's so hard not to look. I know if noone watched, the show would be pulled; but I agree the ratings will probably be sky-hi next week.
About the Star, I seem to remember the whole family being featured in it within the past year or so- maybe around the time of the vow renewal? Funny how they were OK when it was to Jon/ Kate's advantage but now you shouldn't believe them.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Oh, and as far as the affair with her bodyguard, I don't think she did. She isn't THAT stupid and knows if it got out, she'd be done. In the article she addresses this and says she's worked too hard to take herself down in that way. I actually believe that part. Of course I could be wrong...

I agree. This bodyguard thing is all rumor and simply a way to get the attention off of Jon.

 

[C.Ann]

It still is a hard pill to swallow thought that she NEEDS to be doing the show, promotions, speaking engagements because of the kids and their future. Unless she and Jon are completely brainless, they should have lots of money stashed away. That argument is getting old in my opinion. Their college fund was started by the Lt. Governor of PA so all Kate really needs to do is have enough $ for them to eat and pay for the house, if TLC hasn't paid for it at least to some extent (they had to construct an interview set in the new house). Again, there are so many large families and they are making it work. I think Kate's problem is that she wants a certain lifestyle (big surprise) for herself and her family that necessitates a larger income than other families. Therefore in her mind, she NEEDS to do all this. Also, if she was SO worried about money and was worried about Jon not wanting to do the show, then why on earth buy such a large house?? The timing of Jon voicing his unhappiness about the show with the new house all fits. I just think that was a foolish move on both their parts.

Bottom line, they both are responsible for their actions. Honestly right now, they are acting like children...he said, she said, blah blah blah. Both of them need to stop running to the tabloids and go home together and hash this thing out. Believe it or not, they owe that to their marriage, each other and their kids.

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I forgot all about the college thing for the kids and the Governor.. I believe that was verified to be true - correct?

I think you hit the nail on the head with the "type" of lifestyle that is wanted.. Well - we don't always get what we "want".. Stuff happens - things change - people change.. We have seen this happen right before our own eyes.. Kate chose to "put it out there" and she can't take it back now..

I agree with your "bottom line" - particularly your last sentence.. Time will tell..

 

[newtodis]

I have a question....isn't Kevin the "brother" Jon used to work for?? Hasn't Jon been talking about getting a job again? Do you think he's getting closer to Kevin and Jody so he could possibly get his old job back?? I haven't read/heard/seen anything like that but just happened to think about it. Curious to see what people think about that.

I'm also curious how the rest of the family (extended family) feels about Kevin and Jody going public with what they know (I'm sure they know more that they're just not sharing yet)...can't make this process any easier...

Hey! I'm hijacking DH's work computer to DIS tonight!

Was just curious what everyone thought about this (above)?

The People article is so very sad. I think I posted more specific comments on that earlier.....it's all running together at this point! I think Jon's very smart to not keep coming out with this. I'm also surprised that they've been able to keep the alleged "girlfriend" and her brother quiet - I wonder how much that cost (yes I'm assuming Jon or someone paid them or somehow got them to keep quiet...I could see the girl doing it out of respect but the brother? I don't know about that). If Jon's "using" Kevin and Jodi to "speak out" that's probably the best way at this point. Everyone's "bashing" them and not focusing on Jon - which I'm sure is what he wants.

Alright....our computer at home died a couple of weeks ago so I'd certainly appreciate you not going crazy until I'm back at work on Tuesday to read and catch up!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

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I forgot all about the college thing for the kids and the Governor.. I believe that was verified to be true - correct?

I think you hit the nail on the head with the "type" of lifestyle that is wanted.. Well - we don't always get what we "want".. Stuff happens - things change - people change.. We have seen this happen right before our own eyes.. Kate chose to "put it out there" and she can't take it back now..

I agree with your "bottom line" - particularly your last sentence.. Time will tell..

Here you go:

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That is why, for my gift to the Gosselin Family on this very special occasion, I am opening accounts for all eight of the Gosselin children through the Tuition Account Program, which I had a hand in creating when I served as Pennsylvania State Treasurer.

Contributions to these accounts will accrue throughout the children’s lives and be available to them once it comes time to attend college.

If you would like to make a contribution to the Gosselin Family’s TAP account, you can do so by making your check payable to “TAP 529,” writing “Gosselin” in the memo portion of the check, and sending your contributions to: Gosselin Sextuplets and Twins Accounts, TAP Bureau, 218 Finance Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120. More information on the Tuition Account Program can be obtained by calling 1-800-440-4000 or by visiting the Treasury website and clicking on Tuition Account Program.

Happy Mother’s Day, Kate and Jonathan. Pennsylvania is proud of you and this wonderful six-pack whose birthday we honor today. Congratulations, and many blessings for a healthy, happy, and prosperous future for your family!

 

[DMRick]

The Star has never been a magazine I would purchase, based on other headlines I've seen in it, that have been proved to be wrong, nasty, or hurtful. I have no idea if J & K have been in it, or if it was with their permission or just a story written by one of their editors. Just because you see someone in one of the rags, and they say they are quoting them, doesn't mean permission was given, or that the quotes are complete.
Most famous people try to stay away from the Star because of it's reputation.

I do hope that both K & J pull back from any comments and figure out where they are going from here. I did read tonight that she felt she had to give out an interview because one of the rag mags were already planning on writing a story and she wanted what she believes is the truth out there first.

I definately feel her hurt and frustration. I don't know what Jon is doing to handle this right now, but he may be unattainable right now. And I don't think that is a bad thing.

I guess everyone thinks they can handle something like a reality show, but several have found out they couldn't.

About the Star, I seem to remember the whole family being featured in it within the past year or so- maybe around the time of the vow renewal? Funny how they were OK when it was to Jon/ Kate's advantage but now you shouldn't believe them.