Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[Buckalew11]

I think there is a good chance they are separated. It all makes more sense if that is the case.

Kate, to me, is a very strong personality (outspoken, bossy, demanding, perfectionist) and has little respect for Jon.

Jon, to me is a complete wuss. A spoiled, lazy boy/man who doesn't want responsibility. IMO, he'd have done fine with a kid or 2 but not 8. I think he's freaking out. He's probably tired of the way Kate treats him but it is my opinion that she treats him that way because he allows her to treat him that way. Somewhere along the line she lost respect for her husband and it is snowballing. I'm not quite sure whethershe ever had an honest rspect for him but if she did, it left sometime and has GOT to be at this point, for sure.

So, I think he's tired of the treatment and I think she's probably tired of staying after him all the time. Like someone said, it'd be like having 9 kids instead of 8. I doubt Kate ever had Jon turned into a good Christian man if his past was as wild as some say. I was actually surprised that they were Christians (sorry...fruit, ya know)and writing books published by christian companies. They just don't come across very Christlike---she cuts him down several times a show, he's a wuss , they seem very into the fame and fortune with material things being high on their list. However, I have heard Kate say she didn't have as much (or was it much) as Jon when growing up and often people who grow up without much then get much, seem to get pretty materialistic. JMHO. I just seem to have more respect for her when I watch the shows (which isn't as often as y'all) than for him. I just think he probably should not have gotten married til he was 54 and then he could have married that 19yo. He could have been a skibum or surferdude or couch patato at his mama's for a long time.

I hope he grows up fast for those kids' sakes. I'm betting there were so many people in their lives that could have seen all this coming. It was just a matter of time. Very sad.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I think there is a good chance they are separated. It all makes more sense if that is the case.

Kate, to me, is a very strong personality (outspoken, bossy, demanding, perfectionist) and has little respect for Jon.

Jon, to me is a complete wuss. A spoiled, lazy boy/man who doesn't want responsibility. IMO, he'd have done fine with a kid or 2 but not 8. I think he's freaking out. He's probably tired of the way Kate treats him but it is my opinion that she treats him that way because he allows her to treat him that way. Somewhere along the line she lost respect for her husband and it is snowballing. I'm not quite sure whethershe ever had an honest rspect for him but if she did, it left sometime and has GOT to be at this point, for sure.

So, I think he's tired of the treatment and I think she's probably tired of staying after him all the time. Like someone said, it'd be like having 9 kids instead of 8. I doubt Kate ever had Jon turned into a good Christian man if his past was as wild as some say. I was actually surprised that they were Christians (sorry...fruit, ya know)and writing books published by christian companies. They just don't come across very Christlike---she cuts him down several times a show, he's a wuss , they seem very into the fame and fortune with material things being high on their list. However, I have heard Kate say she didn't have as much (or was it much) as Jon when growing up and often people who grow up without much then get much, seem to get pretty materialistic. JMHO. I just seem to have more respect for her when I watch the shows (which isn't as often as y'all) than for him. I just think he probably should not have gotten married til he was 54 and then he could have married that 19yo. He could have been a skibum or surferdude or couch patato at his mama's for a long time.

I hope he grows up fast for those kids' sakes. I'm betting there were so many people in their lives that could have seen all this coming. It was just a matter of time. Very sad.

I agree it's very sad. Those kids deserve much better than what J&K are giving them. She's traveling all the time (thanks Madge for the schedule!) He's acting like a child and I'm sure it's because he's tired of his life and of Kate. During the season finale he basically said he's lost and is struggling but Kate chirped in with how she's loving what they're doing. So he decides he probably just doesn't care and will do what he wants to do regardless.

As for having a "female" friend...doesn't she look a bit young to be hanging out with a married father of 8?? From the picture, she looks to be in her early to mid twenties. How on earth is he friends with a 20 something girl who just happens to be at the bar with him at the same time?? I'm telling you, he wanted to get caught. It was probably his way of getting back at Kate. Why else would he do something like this when she's out of town?

When my parents divorced, my dad had been cheating on my Mom for months till my sister caught him with his mistress (she's now my step-mom). He just didn't care anymore about my mom or us so he did what he wanted to do. All that mattered was what made him happy and clearly that wasn't my mom, my sister or myself. Sounds similar to Jon if you ask me. He didn't consider what would happen if Kate found out much less how it would affect his kids. What a selfish man. It's getting harder and harder to believe they're still together. My heart just breaks for their little ones though. Is anything worth that? A show, $ or fame? Nope. Ok, I'm off my soapbox now!

 

[mla1977]

For a mid-20 something girl to be friends with a 30/31 year old married man is not a big thing. To be out with that same man at a club is not right though. My DBF is 31 and I would be pissed if I found out that he was out at a club with a 20-something.

 

[disneymarie]

That could have been his MO all along. If Kate did not stop the show, he would.
He wants out, he said it in the final as PP stated. You could tell he did not want another season. I think it was his way of "getting his way" and never stopped to consider his kids were going to be affected.

Very selfish to take matters into his own hands and not put the family first. If he just did not want to be on tape, then get a job and have them record while he was at work.

We use to say poor Jon to how Kate would treat him, now we are shocked when he uses poor judgement. he got his way, he is the bad guy and we would not care if he is on the show or not. If he is own it is difficult for the producers to over look the bad PR for the show......

Very cuniving of him.....So now he makes him self the bad guy, compassion for Katie and new interest in the show for Kate. Lets see if the viewers will accept a show with no Jon?

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

I'm wondering if Kate was always so bossy and overwhelming. I ask b/c I know many of you have seen their "getting engaged" video and their first wedding vows and then the honeymoon to Disney. SHe seemd so quiet, demure, innocent. Just very fun and excited to be married to Jon. She seemed so IN LOVE with him.

Now, we see a completely different person. Yes, people grow and mature and change, but we keep at least a remnant of who we were. She is NOTHING like that girl in those home videos. I couldn't even believe that was her to be quite honest.

 

[newtodis]

I'm wondering if the young lady he was with has been paid off in some way so she won't go public.....

One would think. I've said this (as many have) since I can remember. I just don't understand why more aren't coming out in defense or support of the family. Maybe the family/TLC/whoever's asked them to keep quiet - the "public" doesn't need to hear one way or the other or whatever. That's great and fine. I find it so incredibly hard to believe though that EVERYONE they live around or know would keep quiet. Maybe they themselves don't know the full story and don't want the media to get ahold of that either?? I don't know. It just seems like they'd want some of the questions answered. Call up your buddy Oprah and ask if you can come on (or go on Skype) to answer some questions to put some things at rest. Isn't it better to have your answers (the "truth") out there instead of letting people continue to wonder or think that way of your family? I understand you can't answer every little rumor or piece of gossip as a "celebrity" but it's time to address something.

I would LOVE to go to MI and see Kate. My nanny just happens to be having her bridal shower in MI that weekend and I was debating going or not....gosh if we can swing it I will so go to both the tea and the other thing. If I can't go, I might be able to find someone to go for me. I will work on this. Worse case, I may be able to talk my DMIL into going and taping it for me - she's middle of the road when it comes to them and would only say sweet things about the kids so Kate might actually talk to her. Oh see...now I'm so ready to head to MI!

 

[newtodis]

I'm wondering if Kate was always so bossy and overwhelming. I ask b/c I know many of you have seen their "getting engaged" video and their first wedding vows and then the honeymoon to Disney. SHe seemd so quiet, demure, innocent. Just very fun and excited to be married to Jon. She seemed so IN LOVE with him.

Now, we see a completely different person. Yes, people grow and mature and change, but we keep at least a remnant of who we were. She is NOTHING like that girl in those home videos. I couldn't even believe that was her to be quite honest.

I so agree with this as well!! Her voice was so different! Maybe she was "in love" with what she was hoping to get out of the marriage ("dream" family, nice house, kids, whatever" and has become more controling and such when she wasn't able to get pregnant, Jon didn't make enough/wasn't supportive enough (just my opinions - never actually heard Kate say those things!) and this is her way of getting what she wanted - her "dream" family.

I just have to think there's part of her knowing she's GOT to keep this going - she enjoys it, the money's good, the trips are good. There also has to be another part that just knows this is ripping her family apart but they're already in so far that it's too late to just stop. I wouldn't want to be in her position for anything right now!

 

[brockash]

I'm wondering if Kate was always so bossy and overwhelming. I ask b/c I know many of you have seen their "getting engaged" video and their first wedding vows and then the honeymoon to Disney. SHe seemd so quiet, demure, innocent. Just very fun and excited to be married to Jon. She seemed so IN LOVE with him.

Now, we see a completely different person. Yes, people grow and mature and change, but we keep at least a remnant of who we were. She is NOTHING like that girl in those home videos. I couldn't even believe that was her to be quite honest.

I agree, that she seems like a totally different person in the engaged video's and when they went to Disney right after they were married. She seemed very young, innocent and relaxed. I'm guessing all of the control stuff probably came with the kids. I'm guessing before she just didn't care as much about stuff that went on, because the only person she was responsible for was herself. I can tell you I (mom of only 2) see a big difference between myself on a daily basis with my kids, and when my DH and I go away for a weekend without them. He thinks I'm much nicer than too, and in a way I am, just because I don't really care about stuff as much. I'm not worrying about what's best for my kids, because they're not there. I'm not sure if that makes sense of not, but I'm guessing Kate got more controlling, bossy, organized, stressed ect. because of having her kids, and honestly I don't really fault her for that. She's doing what she thinks is best for her kids, and yes even now, I still think she is, even when she's gone a lot. I think she honestly sees it as the only way for her to be able to give her 8 kids everything she can. I'm not saying she's right or wrong about going out and having a career of speaking engagements ect., but I do truly feel like she does think it's for her kids. Honestly I don't see it that different than any other career that makes you travel, or even my DH, who's in the Army and deploys for a year + at a time I think there are many parents that travel A LOT for their jobs, and so I don't see it as that different. I also think that it's kinda Kate's "turn" to be able to work out of the house and have a career that she really enjoys. She stayed home with 8 kids for the first however many years of their lives while Jon went to work, granted he may not have enjoyed his job as much, but I don't know, I just don't blame her for doing something she enjoys, while Jon is supposed to be home with the kids.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

One would think. I've said this (as many have) since I can remember. I just don't understand why more aren't coming out in defense or support of the family. Maybe the family/TLC/whoever's asked them to keep quiet - the "public" doesn't need to hear one way or the other or whatever. That's great and fine. I find it so incredibly hard to believe though that EVERYONE they live around or know would keep quiet. Maybe they themselves don't know the full story and don't want the media to get ahold of that either?? I don't know. It just seems like they'd want some of the questions answered. Call up your buddy Oprah and ask if you can come on (or go on Skype) to answer some questions to put some things at rest. Isn't it better to have your answers (the "truth") out there instead of letting people continue to wonder or think that way of your family? I understand you can't answer every little rumor or piece of gossip as a "celebrity" but it's time to address something.

I would LOVE to go to MI and see Kate. My nanny just happens to be having her bridal shower in MI that weekend and I was debating going or not....gosh if we can swing it I will so go to both the tea and the other thing. If I can't go, I might be able to find someone to go for me. I will work on this. Worse case, I may be able to talk my DMIL into going and taping it for me - she's middle of the road when it comes to them and would only say sweet things about the kids so Kate might actually talk to her. Oh see...now I'm so ready to head to MI!

They have addressed those issues, but I don't think people will be satisfied until he admits something. In general, people want to believe the scandals and the worst of celebs. It's much more entertaining. Sure, Johnny Movie Star may get some recognition for donating toys to an orphanage, but Tiffany Pop Star will get waaay more coverage if the lets her hoo-ha hang out when exiting a limo.

 

[poshspice94]

Jon & Kate are still scheduled to be together for the First Annual PA Woman's show this weekend. It will be interesting to see whether both will attend and address the issues. My heart breaks for them as a family, and as a huge fan I hope that they can get through this for their adorable kids.




Jon & Kate Gosselin Fan Site

 

[KSchwagg86]

Where can I see all of these engaged videos and honeymoon in DW?

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

I don't guess I fault Kate for traveling so much. I do think she needs to be home for those kids b/c this book tour seems to keep her away from home more than it keeps her AT home. At the same time, I see that she's doing it to provide a future for her kids (and fame for herself, IMO). I think she likes the spotlight and thrives in it.

My opinion is this: the kids most likely did change her personality some. I know my DS4 gets his feelings hurt by my impatience and harsh tone at times. I pulled a "Kate" last night and got mad b/c DS4 got ink pen on him after I had just bathed him. It washed right off, I don't know what the big deal was, but it was the fact that I had to re-do something that I had already done, I guess. I can imagine Kate goes through this seven times over. I don't blame her for that.

But I also think that the fame she has now has also changed her. She is not only more demanding, she is loud and snotty, too, I think. She enjoys having some control over others and their actions and she likes telling people what to do. This is based on observations from watching the show. I don't know Kate personally, obviously, so I may be completely wrong. This is just my opinion.

I can't see how the show really changed Jon all that much, except that he seems even more moody and sullen during the couch interviews. Who knows? He may have been out partying in bars at 2 am BEFORE JK+8.

 

[MICKEY4EVER!]

Where can I see all of these engaged videos and honeymoon in DW?

I saw it on one of their episodes, can't remember which one. You can probably get on youtube and find them. Kate was so cute and bubbly and seemed rather demure in the wedding video. WHAT HAPPENED?

 

[poshspice94]

Where can I see all of these engaged videos and honeymoon in DW?

Yes, you can go to You Tube, or go to the fan site below since the girl there posts all the Jon & Kate Videos......


Jon & Kate Gosselin Fan Site

 

[newtodis]

They have addressed those issues, but I don't think people will be satisfied until he admits something. In general, people want to believe the scandals and the worst of celebs. It's much more entertaining. Sure, Johnny Movie Star may get some recognition for donating toys to an orphanage, but Tiffany Pop Star will get waaay more coverage if the lets her hoo-ha hang out when exiting a limo.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant all of their issues - marriage, family (or lack thereof), so many questions just in general. I don't want to believe the worst in anyone trust me. We've ALL made bad decisions or have had things blown way bigger than they were ever intended to be. I totally get that. Then at least address that. I personally don't buy Jon's story about his friend wanting to see his car. There are many better places to see a car than in the middle of the night at a bar.

Jon & Kate are still scheduled to be together for the First Annual PA Woman's show this weekend. It will be interesting to see whether both will attend and address the issues. My heart breaks for them as a family, and as a huge fan I hope that they can get through this for their adorable kids.

That should be an interesting weekend. Anyone planning on going? I know I personally would love to hear a report. I'm sure issues won't be addressed but I would be interested just in seeing how they're acting with each other.

 

[madge]

Jon & Kate are still scheduled to be together for the First Annual PA Woman's show this weekend. It will be interesting to see whether both will attend and address the issues. My heart breaks for them as a family, and as a huge fan I hope that they can get through this for their adorable kids.

I knew I'd seen something where they were scheduled to appear together!

 

[OhMari]

People magazine, is like my celebrity gospel,
Personally I think his PR person told him to shut up, and
let other's make a statement.

Here is there latest:

Friends Defend Jon Gosselin as a Faithful Husband
By Liza Hamm

Originally posted Friday May 01, 2009 02:25 PM EDT
The Gosselin family

Photo by: Karen Alquist / TLC
Jon Gosselin's pals have spoken – and insist that reports labeling the reality star a cad who is stepping out on his wife Kate not the least bit accurate.

Pat Fagan, a bouncer at Legends Lounge, calls Jon's recent night away from home completely innocent – even though he did show up with a woman who was not his wife.

"They seemed like casual friends," says Fagan. "There was no romantic anything. They weren't gazing into each other eyes."

Fagan also shoots down any suggestion that Gosselin has been spotted without his wedding ring. "He always has his wedding band on. He talks about his kids all the time. He loves his family."

According to Dustin Sands, a family friend who has known Jon for nearly 20 years, Gosselin just needs a little downtime from raising eight kids – and starring on TLC's Jon & Kate Plus 8, a reality show about their lives. "The guy just needs to be cut some slack once in while when he wants to relax a bit," says Sands.

This week, Gosselin admitted to showing poor judgment for his late night out but insists he's not going to give up on any of his friendships just because he's on TV.

Brian Sep, a longtime friend, supports this view, too, saying, "He's just hanging out, relaxing with his friends." In fact, Sep believes his friend doesn't get enough opportunities to unwind. "Honestly, he doesn't go out that much," says Sep. "It seems like he's on house lockdown. He's a fulltime Dad."

Although Jon admitted to PEOPLE in February that fame is putting some tension in his marriage, friends remain optimistic about the couple's future. "They have their disagreements but he's a family-oriented guy," says Sands. "I don't think he'd put that on the line."


Do you think Jon's pals are telling the truth, or shielding him? Share your comments here

 

[madge]

People magazine, is like my celebrity gospel,
Personally I think his PR person told him to shut up, and
let other's make a statement.

Here is there latest:

he needs to sell crazy somewhere else. I'm all stocked up here.

I don't buy it. Not even a little bit. Where have all these friends been before now? And it's NOT ok for him to be hanging out with a woman, who isn't his wife, at 11:00pm when his wife is out of town.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

he needs to sell crazy somewhere else. I'm all stocked up here.

I don't buy it. Not even a little bit. Where have all these friends been before now? And it's NOT ok for him to be hanging out with a woman, who isn't his wife, at 11:00pm when his wife is out of town.

Yup, it all sounds a little rehearsed to have these friends come out of the woodwork and defend their best friend Jon. I find it hard to believe. He got caught, he knows he's in deep poop and is scrambling to make it all ok. I still can't believe the lame excuse....Uh, my young 20 something female friend who I was out at 2am with wanted to see my new car so I let her drive it to her car. But hey, if the bouncer from the bar he was at says it was innocent, then ok! Totally unacceptable, he shouldn't be out at 2am with a woman who isn't his wife.

 

[Promomx2]

How come we never see pictures of Jon with his "guy" friends? They could include him going out on a TLC episode.