John Kerry & Saudia Arabia

[Robinrs]

I also find the sig insulting but that's nothing new around here. Coming from a Democratic family that has ALWAYS worked for a living, my Mother, a lifelong Democrat, taught me the work ethic I still have and instill in my son today. I'm sure it's something you believe and raise your children to believe but in my eyes it's just an insult to my life and the lives of my parents.

Intelligent debate is something I like and believe in, but if someone carries such a belief to the table, nothing more that is said becomes something I choose to hear or believe.

Just one woman's opinion.

Robinrs

 

[tcwitt]

I also come from a family of hardworking democrats and find the signature very offensive.

I also, as a nurse, work with a lot of hardworking democrats that would be equally offended.

And I agree that it is hard to really listen to someone's opinion when they generalize to that degree.

Christine

 

[BKtoo]

Yep, count me as also finding it offensive.....just as I'm sure that a Republican would find the generalization "Vote Republican--continue to make millions off the hard work of others!" similarly offensive. (And note--I don't believe either generalization to be true.)

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by richiebaseball
So because it was written by an Iranian is a problem? You have something against Iranians?

Richard

Nice try....

The source listed is a public relations firm whose "purpose" is very unclear. They say what they do because they are paid by someone to do it. That doesn't sound like an unbiased, credible source of information to me.

The fact that the author of the editorial piece is Iranian is of note only because when a foreign editorial writer has a great deal of interest in promoting one presidential candidate over another I'm curious as to why and what their motivations are.

As to France and Germany....while I may not like all that they do, I'll take them as an ally over Saudi Arabia any day of the week.

 

[Elwood Blues]

I don't find we3luvdisney's sig line offensive. It might be a little insensitive though to lump all democrats into the same social services bucket.

For all those hard working (instilling work ethics to your kids) Democrats, my question is why do you continue to promote hand out programs instead of help up programs? Or am I missing something?

If you're all for help up programs, do you favor cutting off people who are on WIC or some other welfare program at some point if they don't seem to want to leave the system on their own by taking steps to help themselves out? What about putting restrictions on what they can buy with the support they get?

Do you favor people on these kinds of programs working (for the govt agency that's paying the tab which is really you an me) at least part of the time to help cover their benefits?


These are probably the things that we3 means by his sig.

 

[peachgirl]

I don't find we3luvdisney's sig line offensive.

Of course you don't, you're not a Democrat. There's nothing in her sig to offend you.

So, if my signature said "Vote Republican, it's easier than thinking" or "Vote Republican, the poor don't count" or
"Vote Republican, selfishness is a virtue" or "Vote Republican, you need someone to think for you" or "Vote Republican, personal liberty isn't important" you wouldn't think it was offensive?

 

[jrydberg]

Do you folks who find the anti-Democratic signature offensive also confront those who constantly post anti-Republican slogans similar to that? If so, I have yet to see it. And it's not for lack of such things existing.

Personally, I don't find them offensive at all. It does, however, tell me a good bit about the person who uses such slogans.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Of course you don't, you're not a Democrat. There's nothing in her sig to offend you.

So, if my signature said "Vote Republican, it's easier than thinking" or "Vote Republican, the poor don't count" or
"Vote Republican, selfishness is a virtue" or "Vote Republican, you need someone to think for you" or "Vote Republican, personal liberty isn't important" you wouldn't think it was offensive?

No, I wouldn't. That's your opinion. But that's a subjective opinion.

The line "vote Democrat, it's easier than working" is not really because the *hand out* programs exist and are supported by the Dems AND are abused by some of the people that are on them.

So, in essence (in some cases), it is easier than working.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by jrydberg
Do you folks who find the anti-Democratic signature offensive also confront those who constantly post anti-Republican slogans similar to that? If so, I have yet to see it. And it's not for lack of such things existing.

Personally, I don't find them offensive at all. It does, however, tell me a good bit about the person who uses such slogans.

To be fair, no one complained about any signature until last night. And since that is the only one on this thread, it is unlikely anyone would have gone searching for an equally offensive one from a democrat to make things even. But I will be on watch

 

[jrydberg]

Fair enough. I guess my point is I have a hard time believing the "outrage" is anything more than attempts to score a political point.

Edited to make it nicer

 

[peachgirl]

That's your opinion. But that's a subjective opinion.

As are your comments regarding Democratic beliefs.
Actually I think jrydberg is probably more on target than I am. If one truly believes that Democrats are a bunch of lazy, welfare hungry bums, then that's what they believe. It does though, say a great deal about the person who believes that...none of which is good. However, such a ridiculous opinion is still offensive.

And yes, if I found a signature insulting an entire group of people based on their party affiliation I would find it just as offensive. I haven't noticed one that actually insults people in that manner, although I'll be sure and take note in the future.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by peachgirl

So, if my signature said "Vote Republican, it's easier than thinking" or "Vote Republican, the poor don't count" or
"Vote Republican, selfishness is a virtue" or "Vote Republican, you need someone to think for you" or "Vote Republican, personal liberty isn't important" you wouldn't think it was offensive?

Ok, one by one.

"Vote Republican, it's easier than thinking"

Strictly emotional and subjective. Meaningless IMO.

"Vote Republican, the poor don't count"

I don't think you'll find many on the right that would do away with ALL social programs but there are MANY that are just a waste of money and they are enablers that keep people in the system. But they needs to be MUCH better accountability for the money that is spent and checks in place to halt the abuse. There also needs to be changes made to these programs that make sure people are able to get out of the system in as short a time as possible. If that means putting unpopular restrictions on these people (what they can use the money for, etc.) then so be it.


"Vote Republican, selfishness is a virtue"

Selfish with what? Why shouldn't *I* be allowed to determine where and how *my* money is spent on what *I* consider worthy causes? Do you really think that ALL on the right would just horde the extra money they would have if they didn't have to pay for social programs?

"Vote Republican, you need someone to think for you"

see response to number one.

"Vote Republican, personal liberty isn't important"

Really? Liberty to do what? Anything? With personal liberty comes personal responsibility.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by peachgirl
As are your comments regarding Democratic beliefs.

I didn't state my beliefs about the Democrats. I just stated facts.

 

[faithinkarma]

um....Elwood...you kinda missed the point......The point was not to say nasty things about republicans, but to show that saying these things is offensive when they are directed at you. Which I guess was just proved by your leap to defend yourself?

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
um....Elwood...you kinda missed the point......The point was not to say nasty things about republicans, but to show that saying these things is offensive when they are directed at you. Which I guess was just proved by your leap to defend yourself?

Maybe you missed my reply to PG where I said that I wouldn't find what she said in her examples of digs at the Republicans offensive.

If my response (ok, one at at time) seemed to come across as defensive, well, it wasn't, but heck , that's your right to think so.

 

[faithinkarma]

You defend every thing she said one item at a time, and then claim you are not being defensive? Whatever.

 

[richiebaseball]

I'm glad to see we're all equally outraged and will all speak out loudly when we see sigs that may offend large groups of people. I'm curious, do we extend this same self-policing effort when we see things like democrap and repuglicans that aren't in a sig but are used with such, what's the word I'm looking for, glee? If possible I would like to know the rules before we start. That's much easier than trying to hit moving targets.

This may sound facetious and rhetorical but I really am looking for an answer. I think it's a great thing that we're speaking out over these things and I just want us to apply them equally.

Just one man's opionion.

Richard

 

[faithinkarma]

like democrap and repuglicans

I, for one, have never used such terms and resent your attempt to lump everyone who finds the sig in question into the same group. If you wish to call on individual posters for their offenses please do so. But do not try the pot kettle analogy against people who have never done so.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
I didn't state my beliefs about the Democrats. I just stated facts.

why do you continue to promote hand out programs instead of help up programs?

That is most definitely an opinion and a belief. In reality, we don't have a single social program that is defined as a "hand out" program. That's your label based on your opinon of the programs.

Because you believe something to be true, doesn't make it a fact.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
I, for one, have never used such terms and resent your attempt to lump everyone who finds the sig in question into the same group. If you wish to call on individual posters for their offenses please do so. But do not try the pot kettle analogy against people who have never done so.

I never claimed you did. Some of the people posting on this thread seem to be some of the more open-minded and respectful folks that post on these political threads. After a comment was made about a sig that offended Democrats, I took that opportunity to speak out and make a suggestion that we possibly start asking posters to tone down the name calling. I specifically stated it was not a facetious post.
Look, I have many family members who are lifelong Democrats. And they have worked hard every day of their lives. They have never asked nor received either a "hand out" or a "hand up". Yes I have overlooked the "democrap" and other stereotypical rantings just as I have overlooked the "repuglicans" and other stereotypical rantings. If not every time, then certainly the vast majority of the time.
It's easy to ask those that disagree with us to look in a mirror once in a while. It's not as easy to ask those that agree with us to look in that same mirror. But I think we should. Perhaps we can have, dare I say it, a kinder, gentler, DIS. The other option is just the status quo. Which would you enjoy more?

Just one man's opinion.

Richard