John Edwards chosen by Kerry as VP

For every Lakey case there are a few like this (an article related to one dmadman posted on page 17:

John Edwards 'Increased the Cost of Medicine', Former Associate Says
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
February 10, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - A former North Carolina obstetrician who served as an expert witness and consultant to Sen. John Edwards during his days as a trial lawyer, now accuses the Democratic presidential candidate of increasing the cost of medicine and forcing doctors into retirement in the senator's home state.

"What he has done with those lawsuits is increased the cost of medicine, and he has not changed the practice of medicine in a way that you can see that there are fewer cases of cerebral palsy," William Brannan said in an interview with CNSNews.com.

As CNSNews.com first reported on Jan. 20, Edwards won record jury verdicts and settlements by arguing that in certain cases, obstetricians and the hospitals where they practiced had been responsible for botching the treatment of women in labor and the delivery of their babies.

It was that botched treatment, Edwards argued, that resulted in the infants sustaining either brain damage or developing cerebral palsy, a brain disorder that causes motor function impairment and lifelong disability.

Brannan, the chief medical officer of Mission Hospitals in Asheville, N.C., said he was forced to end his obstetrics medical practice this year because of skyrocketing medical insurance premiums. Brannan said he consulted for Edwards in an attempt to "bring only the valid cases into the legal system."

Edwards' campaign metaphors about standing up for the poor and underprivileged in the battle between the "two Americas" does not resonate with Brannan.

"I have some argument with [Edwards's] idea that he's out there to help the poor person and that he's out there helping all. No, he was very selective in his cases, and went for those that were going to go for large judgments," Brannan said.

"He was not an individual that would go out and help the poor person who needed help in a low-dollar amount. If you look at his cases, they were all high-dollar amounts and he didn't work for low-dollar settlements," he added.

Brannan's role as a consultant and sometimes expert witness for Edwards and his legal firm allowed him to see Edwards's career up close.

"He was an expert at getting [cerebral palsy cases] settled without going into the courtroom," Brannan said.

Brannan is very skeptical of Edwards' and other trial lawyers' accomplishments in seeking to blame infant cerebral palsy cases on botched labor and deliveries.

"I don't think that there is a correlation between bad medical practice and the incidence of cerebral palsy," Brannan said.

"Studies that we have done have found no changes in the incidences of cerebral palsy occurring either with increased vigilance...or the increase in C-section rates that have occurred," he said.

Despite the scientific evidence, Brannan is not optimistic that medical malpractice cerebral palsy cases will fade from the courtroom anytime soon.

"Most juries have a live person in the room that they feel sympathy for, and it's very hard to make the cold statistics of a scientific study cancel out the sympathy that they feel," Brannan said.

"So most of juries, knowing that there are insurance policies behind all of these [cases], will then want this family to have something to be able to provide care for the child," he added.

Edwards defends legal career

Edwards has conceded that infant cerebral palsy usually is not the fault of the doctors who deliver the baby -- even though he argued otherwise in his days as a trial lawyer.

According to an article in the New York Times on January 31, "...Mr. Edwards did not dispute the contention...that few cases of cerebral palsy are caused by mishandled deliveries." Edwards did say that during his legal career, he represented only the few cases that were the exceptions to the rule.

Edwards was responding to allegations first reported by CNSNews.com on Jan. 20. The CNSNews.com report noted that a large part of Edwards' legal career was based on "junk science," which he used to win hugely lucrative legal judgments or settlements against the medical profession.

The outcome of those cases, many of them dealing with the debatable cause of cerebral palsy in infants, made Edwards a rich man, allowing him to self-finance a 1998 run for the U.S. Senate from North Carolina and position himself as a presidential candidate in 2004.

The CNSNews.com report pointed to medical studies, dating back to at least the 1980s, which asserted that doctors could do very little to cause cerebral palsy during the birthing process. Two new studies in 2003 further undermined the scientific premise of the high-profile court cases won by Edwards.

Edwards now insists that the cerebral cases he represented were the exceptions.

"I took very seriously our responsibility to determine if our cases were merited," Edwards told the New York Times in the January 30 interview, just days after refusing to answer CNSNews.com's questions on the same topic.

"Before I ever accepted a brain-injured child case, we would spend months investigating it," Edwards added.

The Times article noted that between 1985 and 1995, "Edwards filed at least 20 similar lawsuits against doctors and hospitals in deliveries gone wrong, winning verdicts and settlements of more than $60 million, typically keeping about a third."

'Crisis'

Brannan believes that Edwards did his part to contribute to the American Medical Association's listing of North Carolina as one of the "crisis states" for rising liability insurance.

Many physicians in the state are opting to quit their practices because they cannot afford the insurance premiums, according to Brannan.

The hospital that Brannan now serves as the chief medical officer also has been the target of Edwards and his law firm.

"Our hospital (Mission Hospitals, formerly St Joseph's) had two major suits brought by [Edwards's] law firm -- one of which he was able to prevail and got a judgment, and another one his firm lost," Brannan noted.

Brannan said he personally was forced to stop his obstetrics practice when his insurance premiums shot up.

"My premium two years ago was $44,000 a year, and my insurance carrier notified me that if I wished to continue practicing, it was going up to $68,000 for this year," Brannan said.

"I chose to discontinue my Ob privileges, because I would have to deliver 68 babies just to pay the premium before being able to pay any office expenses." He also said that his premiums were lower than those of many other doctors because of his affiliation with a hospital.

The small practitioners are hit the hardest by rising insurance, Brannan said.

"Liability premiums are the same whether you deliver one baby a year or 300 babies a year," he explained.

"The town of Franklin, North Carolina, lost their sole Ob/Gyn practitioner, so now the women in that town are having to travel over a mountain pass to a neighboring city in order to get obstetrical care," Brannan said.

three circles is right, lawyers don't make the malpractice payouts, juries do. but beofre the case ever gets into their hands, a doctor has to testify that the treating physician was negligent.

That's a bit like saying that they aren't the President's deficits because the congress spends the money.

And if a doctor testifies that the physician was negligent, and 3 physicians testify that the physician was not negligent it still goes to the jury. It was Edward's job to convince, cojole and otherwise get that jury to set the award as high as possible whether he knew the case had merit or not.

In any case, as someone pointed out earlier, it won't really matter much. The public don't, by and large, have an overwhelming disdain for personal injury attorneys....so playing that card probably won't get many votes.
 
that;'s it, blame the lawyers, right?

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Few medical errors ever result in legal claims. Only one malpractice claim is made for every 7.6 hospital injuries, according to a Harvard study. Further, plaintiffs drop 10 times more claims than they pursue, according to Physician Insurer Association of America data.

but you'd rather blame the lawyer.
 
sn't that supply and demand? You're a gung-ho capitalist, aren't you Steve?

You say that as if it were a bad thing. To me, that's one of the nicest compliments one could pay someone. :smooth:
 
The hospital that Brannan now serves as the chief medical officer also has been the target of Edwards and his law firm. Brannan said he personally was forced to stop his obstetrics practice when his insurance premiums shot up./

Hmmm...He doesn't have a reason to be biased does he?
I'm really not surprised at all that those doctors and hospitals that were found guilty of malpractice don't like Edwards and don't have much good to say about him.

This argument that Edwards only represented high $$ cases has been repeated at least a dozen times on this thread. Apparently it's the best argument the right think they have.

As I said before, if he wasn't selective about his cases then the argument would be he was an ambulance chaser. Since he was selective and only took cases that had merit (which usually result in large awards) he's slammed for that. :rolleyes:

A rather interesting fact regarding frivilous lawsuits....the majority aren't filed by personal injury lawyers. They come from corporations vs corporations....you know, the guys Bush loves??





There has indeed been a rise in frivolous claims. But they haven't been brought by personal injury lawyers; those claims have actually decreased over the last decade. The single factor most clogging the judicial system is frivolous litigation brought by corporations against corporations, which don't involve independent trial lawyers at all. For example, John Deere went after a competitor for using the same shade of green that Deere paints its tractors. Gillette sued Norelco, claiming its ads for a new electric razor were "false and deceptive" because they depicted non-electric razors as "ferocious creatures." Nabisco sued Keebler over the latter's claim that its chocolate-chip cookies contained 25 percent more chips than Nabisco's. Each of these cases is more representative of the true problem of frivolous litigation. But because they involve a Republican constituency---business---rather than a Democrat constituency like trial lawyers, tort reform advocates don't mention them.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0110.green.html
 

Originally posted by faithinkarma
Come on. be a man. Admit this ticket is your worst nightmare ......hehehe I know you will never do so....well, at least not untiil after Nov 2 ;)

Given that only 11% of the country define themselves as "liberal" how can the most liberal ticket in recent presidential history scare anyone?
 
Hmmm...He doesn't have a reason to be biased does he?

of course not. Afterall, guys like Edwards that pursue large out of court settlement payouts and large jury awards that place huge burdens on hospitals and doctors in the way of malpractice insurance and ultimately drive up medical costs certainly should welcome lawyers like Edwards :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Arabella Figg 2003
that;'s it, blame the lawyers, right?

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but you'd rather blame the lawyer.
Quit being so defensive.

Hmm... who is necessary to start a cause of action in court? Oh right ... a lawyer. Who is it that I see on TV day and night telling me to call 1-800-whatever if I've been injured to ensure that I get "fair and adequate" compensation? And the latest one on Chicago TV that I love are the "Car Wreck Lawyers." (My lawyer got me $50,000; well my lawyer got me $85,000; well, shoot this is my wreck and my lawyer got me $215,000! Now that's real money!) :rolleyes:

I realize the ultimate fault lies with addle-brained jurors who think any and every business has pockets as deep as the Pacfic Ocean. However, the whole process starts with lawyers, some of whom stir up cases with advertising as noted above. To paraphrase an old quote, "Lawyer, heal thyself!"
 
First, those are advocacy sites. If you'd like some links to opposing advocacy sites I'll be happy to find them.

Sure I'll blame the lawyers. The fact the plantiff drop so many cases tells me that we have gotten in such a state of litigation frenzy that the first thing a patient thinks of when their outcome is bad is a lawsuit and that it isn't until they are reminded of their informed consent and the like that they realize they can't blame the doctor for every thing bad that happens to them. The cased don't go forward because they are B.S. cases that get stopped. Meanwhile the doc and the hospital had to spend lots of time and money responding to the even the cases that get dropped.

So you're going to try to contend that good doctors are hanging it up because most doctors are so lousy and the brave and faithful attorneys are just trying to save us? What, for example does Harvard call an injury? I'd love to see the actual design of the study.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
Sorry, you are right of course, my Canadian roots are showing. Then tell me, was Reagan behind in 84?

In March, in May, at various and sundry times in '84, yes he was.
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
of course not. Afterall, guys like Edwards that pursue large out of court settlement payouts and large jury awards that place huge burdens on hospitals and doctors in the way of malpractice insurance and ultimately drive up medical costs certainly should welcome lawyers like Edwards :rolleyes:

Perhaps you'd like to point out a case Edwards filed that was considered frivilous or without merit? Perhaps the doctors and hospitals that are so horribly burdened should direct their anger at those in their profession who are committing malpractice.

The fact is, corporate lawyers are the worst group for excessive litigation. I wonder why Bush and the right aren't going after them?
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
Given that only 11% of the country define themselves as "liberal" how can the most liberal ticket in recent presidential history scare anyone?
Wow....Hey...New game for the republicans....How many times can you say liberal in one sentence ? :rotfl:

This really is getting amusing :teeth: I've never seen a campaign and it's supporters get so negative so quickly....But no, they ain't a skeered :hyper:

Yeah...the poll that showed that 65% of the public thought Edwards was a good choice...What do THEY know, anyway ? :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
Quit being so defensive.

Hmm... who is necessary to start a cause of action in court? Oh right ... a lawyer. Who is it that I see on TV day and night telling me to call 1-800-whatever if I've been injured to ensure that I get "fair and adequate" compensation? And the latest one on Chicago TV that I love are the "Car Wreck Lawyers." (My lawyer got me $50,000; well my lawyer got me $85,000; well, shoot this is my wreck and my lawyer got me $215,000! Now that's real money!) :rolleyes:

I realize the ultimate fault lies with addle-brained jurors who think any and every business has pockets as deep as the Pacfic Ocean. However, the whole process starts with lawyers, some of whom stir up cases with advertising as noted above. To paraphrase an old quote, "Lawyer, heal thyself!"

Not to mention how many of these cases get settled out of court
 
Hmmm...He doesn't have a reason to be biased does he?


Hmmmm....read that again. It did not say the Hospital was a target WHILE he was in charge. Even if it had been, the execs in a hospital are generally not the targets. Giving up his OB practice has no relationship to being a target either. The OBs I know that are giving up have never been sued....they just can't afford to stay in business any longer.
 
Giving up his OB practice has no relationship to being a target either. The OBs I know that are giving up have never been sued....they just can't afford to stay in business any longer.

And who do they blame for this? Certainly not the doctors and hospitals who were found guilty. They blame lawyers...Edwards is a lawyer...nope, no bias at all....


Yeah...the poll that showed that 65% of the public thought Edwards was a good choice...What do THEY know, anyway ?

What's really amazing is that for all his inexperience that they so loudly complain about...

When asked who would do a better job of running the country, 45 percent said Edwards, while 38 percent said Cheney.

Nah, they're not worried at all! :rotfl:
 
Perhaps you'd like to point out a case Edwards filed that was considered frivilous or without merit? Perhaps the doctors and hospitals that are so horribly burdened should direct their anger at those in their profession who are committing malpractice.


The Cerebral Palsy cases are generally considered to be questionable at best.

So what are you imagining. Hoards of bad doctors out their maiming people? Malpractice does not have a finite definition. It is defined by lawyers and juries. You say "committing malpractice" as if you can define it like "robbery" or "theft". Unfortunately, it is entirely subject as are many "patient injury" statistics.

If a baby dies during birth it is no longer an simply a horrible and unfortunate tragedy. The doctor now has to "prove" a negative....that the baby would have dies anyway. Utterly impossible to do. It won't be long before every death in a hospital will not only get reviewed by the medical community as it is now but taken to court to see what can be thrown up against the wall and stick.
 
And who do they blame for this? Certainly not the doctors and hospitals who were found guilty

They are not "found guilty" for it is not a criminal proceding where the burden or proof is on the state/plantiff. So no, they wouldn't blame the doctors that are "found guilty" because they ALL know doctors that were "found guilty" who did everything right and nothing wrong.
 
Question: Is there anyone with an income of less than 6 figures that can honestly say they're better off now than they were four years ago ? (and I know you can't, spearenb...I've seen the job market in WV...it's pathetic)

Yes, Yes I am as I was making less then 6 figures four years ago.
 
Originally posted by peachgirl
And who do they blame for this? Certainly not the doctors and hospitals who were found guilty. They blame lawyers...Edwards is a lawyer...nope, no bias at all....




What's really amazing is that for all his inexperience that they so loudly complain about...



Nah, they're not worried at all! :rotfl:

Seen it all before. It was the same with Reagan in '84. It's called a "bounce". "Hey, Kerry did something! He named a VP. Let's pay attention for 30 minutes. Wow! That guy is good looking! He's young. Look at that smile? He worked hard for the little guy? I'm votin' for them now"

Sheesh, how can anyone think that a ticket with a guy that is one heartbeat away from the Presidency that has NO foreign policy experience, did not know how Itzak Rabin was, who Kerry made fun of as being in diapers when he got back from Vietman (Kerry served in Vietnam, btw. Did any of you know that? Wow, huh?) And who said, during the primaries, that his VP candidate was not experienced enough to assume the mantle of the Presidency. On top of that, they are the most liberal ticket in history. The Boston Globe (Kerry's home town newpaper) calls them even more liberal than Ted Kennedy!!! Ted Kennedy!!! Can you imagine???

Yea, I scared alright. Sure.
 
Galahad, you're right -- they're not "found guilty". the correct term is "held liable" because a "preponderance of the evidence" demonstrated their culpability. it's a different standard than used in criminal law, but the bottom line is that the jury determined that the doctors and hospitals were legally responsible for the injuries.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
Please keep in mind that when the economy sinks as low as it has, and the recovery is determined by a percentage, it takes a mush smaller increase to make it a "banner year".

And let's remember, that interest rates are up, the dollar is down, milk and gas prices have gone through the roof. My advice...believe your own checkbook and not what the talking heads tell you.

In that case, yes I do make less than 6 figures and yes I am better off than I was 4 years ago.

Richard
 


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