Jodi Arias Trial Part 8 EXTREME CRUELTY: PROVEN

[showmeman]

Right, so basically the only way he could deliver the DP was if it was in an extreme case like Dahmer or Manson. He should have said that when he was asked initially. JMHO

No, he was making a comparison. Dahmer was a serial killer. Manson was a mass murderer. Neither of them received the death penalty, by the way.

 

[Dee77]

No, he was making a comparison. Dahmer was a serial killer. Manson was a mass murderer. Neither of them received the death penalty, by the way.

Wisconsin doesn't have the DP as an option and as for Manson, his sentence was originally the DP which was commuted to life in prison by the Supreme Court of CA. It wasn't reinstated when the DP was brought back into CA.

 

[Luv'sTink]

No, he was making a comparison. Dahmer was a serial killer. Manson was a mass murderer. Neither of them received the death penalty, by the way.

Manson was most certainly sentenced to death.

Manson was sentenced to death when he was found guilty, but the sentence was modified in 1977 to "life in prison with the possibility of parole, after a 1972 ruling by the California Supreme Court that determined the state's death penalty statute at the time was unconstitutional," according to the California Department of Corrections.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/charles-manson-denied-parole-dangerous-man/story?id=16111128#.UaA7jECG3JI Second to last paragraph.

 

[WPack911]

Now I am mad...

The jurors are now saying they are horrified that the judge called a mistrial. They said they did not know she would do that. Well shouldn't you have asked? Wait till they learn more and listen to Jodi!

Wow, reading trying to catch up and I come across this! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It honestly sounds like they are lying here to try and take the heat off their own poor decision.

There is NO WAY they could of checked that box on the form and not known what it meant!

Seriously, now the jury just sounds like they are trying to deflect the blame, maybe they learned it from watching the murderer do it for all these months!

You all are the ones that made the choice to bail on this trial after all this time full well knowing this would bring no closure to Travis's Family, the least you could do is OWN UP to that choice you made!

They think this is going to take the heat off of them for how things ended, but it will only make it worse IMO.

*sigh*

 

[WPack911]

And get this, he says he would actually like to reach out to Arias.
Boyd asked, "What would you say to Arias if you had a moment with her?"

Zevakos replied, "Yeah, I'd really like to talk to Jodi. But I'd like to ask her the questions that everybody wants to ask her. What really happened?"

http://m.insideedition.com/?redirurl=/headlines/6389-jodi-ariass-juror-opens-up-about-trial

Bill likes the kool-aid

OMG, to think this Jodi kool-aid drinking fool was the foreman, no wonder we ended up hung. *Facepalm*

He talks about Jodi being a "human being", but what about the human being she slaughtered and the human beings that are that persons family whom have gone through hell because of this murderer? Also, I find it funny he is talking about people "not knowing what is going on" when in reality we knew more then the jury about what went on in this case and trial thanks to getting to see much more then just what they saw in court. This guy sounds like a full on Jodi sympathiser. I would bet he was one of the 4 that voted for life, I am almost sure of it when I compare how he sounds vs what I have heard from what Juror #8 has said and how completely different they sound when talking about the murderer.

 

[horseshowmom]

The thing about comparing her to Manson is, It has never been proven, nor was he convicted of killing anyone with his own hands. He was sentenced to death and never committed a killing. His death sentence was over turned when CA Superior Court abolished the Death Penalty. He has been up for parole many, many times, so many he doesn't even attend any longer, and has always been denied.

He is one scary guy, and I hope he's never paroled (don't think it's likely, thank goodness).

ETA: Just did some background reading on him. Whoa! Goes waaayyyy past scary!

 

[WPack911]

Right, so basically the only way he could deliver the DP was if it was in an extreme case like Dahmer or Manson. He should have said that when he was asked initially. JMHO

He sure as heck should of! I could not agree more! I hope the next jury is vetted much more then it seems this one was.

 

[showmeman]

Manson was most certainly sentenced to death.

Manson was sentenced to death when he was found guilty, but the sentence was modified in 1977 to "life in prison with the possibility of parole, after a 1972 ruling by the California Supreme Court that determined the state's death penalty statute at the time was unconstitutional," according to the California Department of Corrections.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/charles-manson-denied-parole-dangerous-man/story?id=16111128#.UaA7jECG3JI Second to last paragraph.

You are correct.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I agree with you, Jodi won't plea out because she's a player and she's gonna get her full appeals process (another chance) if she gets the DP and she'll play her hand to gamble for a decision by the judge for LWOP or Life chance for parole after 25 if the jury decides that. I think Judge Stephens might give her LWOP.

I'd love to see the contracts for these televised trials, man, people all over the world made money off this one. I noticed that TawniDilly slapped commercials on her Youtube uploads and no telling what Chris Hughes is gonna pull in for naming himself CEO of the Travis Alexander Legacy.

Do you think he won't be fair and reasonable as CEO? I know you have issues with PPL and the folks from that group (many of us do) but I think it is unfair to imply that he would be less than trustworthy with a fund in honor of his friend.

I'd never describe Chris Hughes as trustworthy.

I agree with you, Jodi won't plea out because she's a player and she's gonna get her full appeals process (another chance) if she gets the DPShould have put a period here. and she'll play her hand to gamble for a decision by the judge for LWOP or Life chance for parole after 25 if the jury decides that. I think Judge Stephens might give her LWOP.

Judge Stephens cannot commute a death sentence verdict given by a jury. Only an appeals court can commute a death sentence to Life in Arizona. Other states the judge has more latitude. But not in Arizona.

Also, the original trial judge in Arizona cannot sentence a defendant to death if a jury does not render a decision of death. Only a jury can decide a death sentence.

Hopefully my coloring and bolding up there clears up what I said.

In other words, yes, we agree.

I thought that 5 of the jurors voted for first-degree premeditated murder, and 7 of them voted for both first-degree premeditated murder and felony murder, so doesn't that mean that all 12 jurors unanimously found her guilty of premeditatated murder? ... However, they did not find her unanimously guilty of felony murder? ... I get so confused ...

I think showmeman might be right on it, but I'm not gonna go back and look it up. I think a juror can agree this murder was premeditated (planned out and carried out) AND still can see some value in giving Jodi Life rather than Death. But I still think that split (however it was) gave Willmott some indicator some jurors disagreed on details and she was wise to step in with humanizing Jodi with more than that stupid little list of mitigating factors.

It has got to be a conflicting belief that Life is valuable and when one takes a life then that person should be killed, don't you think?

All 12 jurors voted for premeditated murder. 7 jurors voted for both premeditated and felony murder. 5 jurors voted only for premeditated murder.

First degree murder can be either premeditated or felony murder (murder while committing a felony. It doesn't matter how each juror voted, as long as they select at least one of the 2, premeditated or felony for 1st degree murder.

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http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/tawnidilly

Thank you, interesting stuff on the internet.

How many juror's gave an interview? On websleuth's some one said that the juror went against the judges orders and was on the internet.

If that's true that a juror researched this case on the internet (and I realize that's not what you said), we'll hear about it when Jodi gets a whole new trial.

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Dang, you people talk a lot overnight!

 

[showmeman]

If JA gets LWOP, Angela Simpson will be one of Jodi's LWOP fellow prisoners. She is as dangerous as the most dangerous men. Her crime was even more gruesome than JA's murder of Travis Alexander. JA is not going to a lifetime of summer camp.

Here's Simpson's story:

Woman who confessed to torturing, dismembering man gets natural life in prison

By Catherine Holland - AZfamily.com

April 3, 2012

PHOENIX -- The woman who freely admitted in jailhouse interviews to committing of one of the most gruesome murders in Phoenix history will spend the rest of her natural life in prison.

Judge Paul McMurdie on Tuesday sentenced Angela Simpson to natural life in prison for first-degree murder plus 14 additional years on the remaining charges.

Detectives called the murder of Terry Neely one of the worst crimes they've ever seen.

According to police, Simpson, now 36, lured Neely to her apartment with promises of drugs and sex. Once there, she tortured, killed and dismembered him. Simpson made Neely, who was confined to a wheelchair, watch in a mirror as she beat him, stabbed him and pulled out his teeth. The torture went on for three days.

According to autopsy results, Neely sustained multiple blunt-force head injuries and a 3-inch nail had been driven or hammered into his brain. He was also stabbed approximately 50 times, his throat was sliced and he was dismembered.

"I beat him to death. ... I killed him and cut him up," Simpson told 3TV in a jailhouse interview shortly after her arrest in 2009.

The day she was sentenced, Simpson said she would have preferred to have kept Neely alive and tortured him for a week.

Neely's body was found in a burning trash can in the parking lot behind a Phoenix church in early August 2009. Detectives arrested Simpson two weeks later. A grand jury indicted her charges of first-degree murder and kidnapping on Aug. 27.

Simpson, who was already in jail when detectives talked to her about Neely, was articulate and straightforward in that jailhouse interview, calmly explaining that Neely, 46, was a snitch and got "what he deserved."

She said that while she was "kind of relieved" when police arrested her, she also had one regret, and it was not killing Neely.

"I'm a little upset that I won't be able to, you know, kill more snitches, but I have no remorse about killing him [Neely]," she said.

Last month, Simpson pleaded guilty to first-degree murder. She also was charged with kidnapping and abandonment of a body.

The sentence of natural life means Simpson will die in prison.

"A defendant who is sentenced to natural life is not eligible for commutation, parole, work furlough, work release or release from confinement on any basis," reads Arizona Revised Statutes 13-751, the section defining life and death sentences in the criminal code.

When 3TV's reporter asked her in 2009 why she killed Neely, the answer, to Simpson, seemed simple.

"I don't want my children or the people I consider family to be in a place where there are snitches," she said.

Simpson also implied that Neely was not her first victim.

"I believe informants and child molesters should be killed ... period," she said.

In a jailhouse interview the day of her sentencing, Simpson said her earlier implications that she had killed before were false.

"So, that was just talk?" 3TV reporter Mike Watkiss asked.

"Right," Simpson answered. But she also said she regretted not killing a second victim, an alleged arm robber.

"I just didn't have time. I had to go somewhere," she said. "I should have killed him when I had the go."

Watkiss went on to ask Simpson how she felt about spending the rest of her life in prison.

"You know I've got a lot of family in prison ... I'm OK with that," she answered. "I'm OK with that. I've got many sisters in prison. I can't wait to see 'em. It's really not that much of a punishment to be sentenced to spend my life with my family."

Simpson explained that she has a history of mental illness going back to when she was just 10 years old, but insisted that she does not want or expect sympathy. She also said she believes she deserved the death penalty but is happy with her sentence.

"I prefer to spend my life with my sisters," she said. "I do believe that [the death penalty] would have been justice."

"Will you kill again?" Watkiss asked.

"If the opportunity arises, I hope so," Simpson answered without hesitation.

 

[PebblesMK]

If JA gets LWOP, Angela Simpson will be one of Jodi's LWOP fellow prisoners. She is as dangerous as the most dangerous men. Her crime was even more gruesome than JA's murder of Travis Alexander. JA is not going to a lifetime of summer camp.

Here's Simpson's story:

Woman who confessed to torturing, dismembering man gets natural life in prison

By Catherine Holland - AZfamily.com

April 3, 2012

PHOENIX -- The woman who freely admitted in jailhouse interviews to committing of one of the most gruesome murders in Phoenix history will spend the rest of her natural life in prison.

Judge Paul McMurdie on Tuesday sentenced Angela Simpson to natural life in prison for first-degree murder plus 14 additional years on the remaining charges.

Detectives called the murder of Terry Neely one of the worst crimes they've ever seen.

According to police, Simpson, now 36, lured Neely to her apartment with promises of drugs and sex. Once there, she tortured, killed and dismembered him. Simpson made Neely, who was confined to a wheelchair, watch in a mirror as she beat him, stabbed him and pulled out his teeth. The torture went on for three days.

According to autopsy results, Neely sustained multiple blunt-force head injuries and a 3-inch nail had been driven or hammered into his brain. He was also stabbed approximately 50 times, his throat was sliced and he was dismembered.

"I beat him to death. ... I killed him and cut him up," Simpson told 3TV in a jailhouse interview shortly after her arrest in 2009.

The day she was sentenced, Simpson said she would have preferred to have kept Neely alive and tortured him for a week.

Neely's body was found in a burning trash can in the parking lot behind a Phoenix church in early August 2009. Detectives arrested Simpson two weeks later. A grand jury indicted her charges of first-degree murder and kidnapping on Aug. 27.

Simpson, who was already in jail when detectives talked to her about Neely, was articulate and straightforward in that jailhouse interview, calmly explaining that Neely, 46, was a snitch and got "what he deserved."

She said that while she was "kind of relieved" when police arrested her, she also had one regret, and it was not killing Neely.

"I'm a little upset that I won't be able to, you know, kill more snitches, but I have no remorse about killing him [Neely]," she said.

Last month, Simpson pleaded guilty to first-degree murder. She also was charged with kidnapping and abandonment of a body.

The sentence of natural life means Simpson will die in prison.

"A defendant who is sentenced to natural life is not eligible for commutation, parole, work furlough, work release or release from confinement on any basis," reads Arizona Revised Statutes 13-751, the section defining life and death sentences in the criminal code.

When 3TV's reporter asked her in 2009 why she killed Neely, the answer, to Simpson, seemed simple.

"I don't want my children or the people I consider family to be in a place where there are snitches," she said.

Simpson also implied that Neely was not her first victim.

"I believe informants and child molesters should be killed ... period," she said.

In a jailhouse interview the day of her sentencing, Simpson said her earlier implications that she had killed before were false.

"So, that was just talk?" 3TV reporter Mike Watkiss asked.

"Right," Simpson answered. But she also said she regretted not killing a second victim, an alleged arm robber.

"I just didn't have time. I had to go somewhere," she said. "I should have killed him when I had the go."

Watkiss went on to ask Simpson how she felt about spending the rest of her life in prison.

"You know I've got a lot of family in prison ... I'm OK with that," she answered. "I'm OK with that. I've got many sisters in prison. I can't wait to see 'em. It's really not that much of a punishment to be sentenced to spend my life with my family."

Simpson explained that she has a history of mental illness going back to when she was just 10 years old, but insisted that she does not want or expect sympathy. She also said she believes she deserved the death penalty but is happy with her sentence.

"I prefer to spend my life with my sisters," she said. "I do believe that [the death penalty] would have been justice."

"Will you kill again?" Watkiss asked.

"If the opportunity arises, I hope so," Simpson answered without hesitation.

Holy crap. That made me nauseous. It's quite scary to know that every day we walk among people who are possibly capable of such horrific crimes and who probably think about it often. *Note to self: Always be nice, don't be a snitch, don't have sex to get my way, stay FAR away from anybody who seems crazy*

 

[Uncle Remus]

If JA gets LWOP, Angela Simpson will be one of Jodi's LWOP fellow prisoners. She is as dangerous as the most dangerous men. Her crime was even more gruesome than JA's murder of Travis Alexander. JA is not going to a lifetime of summer camp.

Here's Simpson's story:

Woman who confessed to torturing, dismembering man gets natural life in prison

Just watched a 13 minute interview with her, very interesting. I bet she wouldn't be very welcoming to Jodi. I'd love to see those two in a discussion about their crimes, I'm sure Angela would smack Jodi every which way but loose.

 

[Luv'sTink]

He is one scary guy, and I hope he's never paroled (don't think it's likely, thank goodness).

ETA: Just did some background reading on him. Whoa! Goes waaayyyy past scary!

He wont; they set his next parole hearing for 15 years, he will be 92 or dead.

 

[Brit17]

Just watched a 13 minute interview with her, very interesting. I bet she wouldn't be very welcoming to Jodi. I'd love to see those two in a discussion about their crimes, I'm sure Angela would smack Jodi every which way but loose.

I watched Simpson's video too ... It made me shiver ... She was quite scary indeed ... I've read some of the other stories on what death row/life inmates' lives are like serving their sentences at Perryville ... It's hard to explain, but even though those accounts made it sound like complete and utter hell on earth to me, somehow, Simpson's interview drove home the reality of it all 100 times more ... I don't know if that even makes any sense because it's hard to put into words ... I just know that it left me with chills running up and down my spine, that's for sure ...

 

[usnuzuloose]

Mare...

 

[PebblesMK]

Mare...

Mare, I'm sharing this sentiment as well, because it's prettier than anything I could have come up with! Hope your day is wonderful! (Thanks Snuz for sharing without caring!)

 

[usnuzuloose]

Wow, reading trying to catch up and I come across this! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It honestly sounds like they are lying here to try and take the heat off their own poor decision.

There is NO WAY they could of checked that box on the form and not known what it meant!

Seriously, now the jury just sounds like they are trying to deflect the blame, maybe they learned it from watching the murderer do it for all these months!

You all are the ones that made the choice to bail on this trial after all this time full well knowing this would bring no closure to Travis's Family, the least you could do is OWN UP to that choice you made!

They think this is going to take the heat off of them for how things ended, but it will only make it worse IMO.

*sigh*

I did not bail, and I would have been fine with LWOP. I am mad because if they did not fully understand they should have had someone sit down and explain it in full so they did understand the judge would have made sure that if they checked that box that she would declare a mistrial. Just don't come back and say you are horrified that when you checked it and then declared it a mistrial, they should of asked for more clarification. I don't know why you think we are bailing on this trial. I intend to see it to the end. I came this far.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Mare, I'm sharing this sentiment as well, because it's prettier than anything I could have come up with! Hope your day is wonderful! (Thanks Snuz for sharing without caring!)

Your welcome! I can't afford the real bling.

 

[crz4mm2]

I did not bail, and I would have been fine with LWOP. I am mad because if they did not fully understand they should have had someone sit down and explain it in full so they did understand the judge would have made sure that if they checked that box that she would declare a mistrial. Just don't come back and say you are horrified that when you checked it and then declared it a mistrial, they should of asked for more clarification. I don't know why you think we are bailing on this trial. I intend to see it to the end. I came this far.

I agree. Although I really want her on death row.... BUT, I would accept LWOP, I just don't want a chance that she will get out at any time!

 

[usnuzuloose]

The shirt she is making is a copyright from Nike. Hope someone contacts nike. These company's need to keep an eye on the things she is selling or making.