Jodi Arias Trial Part 5, starting with Violet STILLLLL rambling April 4

[dizzdis]

This is wayyy late in the game, but something I have been waiting to hear from the get go... I keep thinking there is a direct connection to her using a knife AND a gun to her premeditating the murder. I think she used both on purpose so it looked like two people committed the crime. I think she thinks she is so smart that it would throw off police and they would be looking for two people. That's why after the fact she shot him. She WANTED the surprise on his face when she knifed him. I think she thought it would go much more smoothly. She intended it all to happen in the shower so she would have less clean up. Travis hung on, and was able to get out of the shower. That's why the hasty poorly executed clean up. She at that point panicked and did a shoddy job. She thought she was ok since she made it so many days beofre they found the body and din't come get her right away.. She tried to stick with "I wasn't there" but after Det Flores dropped the palm print and photo, she decided to "help" them realize there was two people with her "ninja" stories. She hadn't thought it through all he way of course going off the cuff, so had to say she didn't see their faces. She couldn't shoot him in his sleep. No satisfaction in that. It also wouldn't bode well for the two people theory.

I actually think the murder was plan "B". A back up plan of sorts in a two part plan. She showed up without his knowledge and thought she could convince and sexually woo him into not going to Cancun without her and win him back. I think the sex tape was made by her as blackmail if he didn't go along with her plan too. She threatened to play it for his new interest or anyone else who thought he was a good guy. But if that wasn't going to work , then no one would have him.

OK I feel better

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

Inadmissible doesn't mean 'not important enough'. It simply means it didn't meet guidelines under the rules of evidence. Testimony given by witnesses during the investigation might be ruled inadmissible by the judge even if it was relevant to the charges if it turned out to be overly prejudicial.

If it was inadmissible, that means it wasn't important enough to use in this case and therefore he can do with it as he pleases. That evidence is not going to influence the decision of the jury.

IMO, all this means is the DT is saying "Juan is kicking our rears and we want out."

 

[maccagerl]

Oh my gosh, just saw this tweet by JA from April 7 !! Can't believe her twitter account is still up. The DT should rein in their own client before crying to the judge about the prosecutor.
And she can only wish his reasoning was weak!!!

"He who tries to establish his point by much yelling shows that his reasoning is weak."

 

[PizzieDuster]

Alright everyone. I finally figured out who Willmott (female defense attorney) looks like. I kept thinking and thinking and thinking.

Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie - as Tootsie. It's those lips, eyeliner, caked on make up and the glasses....her hair is just longer.


Yes?

 

[usnuzuloose]

The prosecutor' s office ( not JM personally) released the 600 pages of of JA's journals that were being read on all the evening HLN shows.
The defense brought this up during court one day, and Juan said he wasn't involved but that the office was releasing this stuff in response to media requests- not sure if it was "freedom of information " requests or just regular media requests.

I remember that , but they are naming him as doing it. If someone else did that is on them not Juan. He wants his own reputation in tact. It will get cleared up with Ms. Wong.

 

[beachdodrun]

This is wayyy late in the game, but something I have been waiting to hear from the get go... I keep thinking there is a direct connection to her using a knife AND a gun to her premeditating the murder. I think she used both on purpose so it looked like two people committed the crime. I think she thinks she is so smart that it would throw off police and they would be looking for two people. That's why after the fact she shot him. She WANTED the surprise on his face when she knifed him. I think she thought it would go much more smoothly. She intended it all to happen in the shower so she would have less clean up. Travis hung on, and was able to get out of the shower. That's why the hasty poorly executed clean up. She at that point panicked and did a shoddy job. She thought she was ok since she made it so many days beofre they found the body and din't come get her right away.. She tried to stick with "I wasn't there" but after Det Flores dropped the palm print and photo, she decided to "help" them realize there was two people with her "ninja" stories. She hadn't thought it through all he way of course going off the cuff, so had to say she didn't see their faces. She couldn't shoot him in his sleep. No satisfaction in that. It also wouldn't bode well for the two people theory.

I actually think the murder was plan "B". A back up plan of sorts in a two part plan. She showed up without his knowledge and thought she could convince and sexually woo him into not going to Cancun without her and win him back. I think the sex tape was made by her as blackmail if he didn't go along with her plan too. She threatened to play it for his new interest or anyone else who thought he was a good guy. But if that wasn't going to work , then no one would have him.

OK I feel better

Very interesting. As ALV often says "Its possible"

 

[Enchantress01]

They're definitely trying to make her look more innocent, same way CA's DT did. They dress her in simple clothes, put some glasses on her, pull her hair back.

DH asked me if they had introduced some new characters (Snow White reference). Puzzled, I asked "What?" He looks at JA and says "Well there's Belle without her bow", and looking at Nummy he says "So that must be the Beast!" and walks away.

Alright everyone. I finally figured out who Willmott (female defense attorney) looks like. I kept thinking and thinking and thinking.
Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie - as Tootsie. It's those lips, eyeliner, caked on make up and the glasses....her hair is just longer.
Yes?

That's it!!!! Aaaannnnd now we know who Willie looks like!

I actually think the murder was plan "B". A back up plan of sorts in a two part plan. She showed up without his knowledge and thought she could convince and sexually woo him into not going to Cancun without her and win him back. I think the sex tape was made by her as blackmail if he didn't go along with her plan too. She threatened to play it for his new interest or anyone else who thought he was a good guy. But if that wasn't going to work , then no one would have him. OK I feel better

Yup!

I didn't hear it. I quoted it from the recent motion for mistrial.
Here it is again: Recent Motion

Newbie question: Before the DT can tuck tail and run, can JM call Donovan as a witness to put Jodie's twitter attacks on record too or is that moot?

 

[WPack911]

I was re-reading the recent motion for mistrial. In the motion it states:
This State of affairs has placed counsel for Ms. Arias in a position that they cannot fulfill the duties they owe Ms. Arias, pursuant Arizona Rules of Criminal Procedure, Rule 6.8.

I was curious to see what Rule 6.8 states and in summary; it states the qualifications the attorneys must have to represent a defendant in a Capital Case. Nurmi and Wilma are basically stating they don't have the experience or expertise to defend JA.

Rule 6.8

Good God, are they really willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a murderer like this? What is their f***ing deal?

I am not saying this is true, but to damage your own career with a motion like that, it's almost like JA has something to hang over their heads to make them defend her to the point of absurdity!

 

[Luv'sTink]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janic...l?show_comment_id=244632460#comment_244632460

I completely disagree with ALV about JA. However, I completely disagree with attacking her personally, i.e. death threats, making public her private phone number.



ETA: The women makes me mad too!

 

[BearcatsFan]

Alright everyone. I finally figured out who Willmott (female defense attorney) looks like. I kept thinking and thinking and thinking.

Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie - as Tootsie. It's those lips, eyeliner, caked on make up and the glasses....her hair is just longer.


Yes?

Too funny!

 

[Enchantress01]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janic...l?show_comment_id=244632460#comment_244632460I completely disagree with ALV about JA. However, I completely disagree with attacking her personally, i.e. death threats, making public her private phone number.

I came across this article as well. Thanks for posting it. Let's face it, ALV dug her own whole but to attack her personally is unnecessary, just over the top.

Loved the comment from StoryDayz2, a survivor of domestic violence, after the article.

 

[momrek06]

Good Saturday Morning, everyone!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janic...l?show_comment_id=244632460#comment_244632460

I completely disagree with ALV about JA. However, I completely disagree with attacking her personally, i.e. death threats, making public her private phone number.
ETA: The women makes me mad too!

Oh I agree, death threats and other evil things people are doing to her is totally wrong.
BUT that being said … (again I do not CONDONE behavior like ^^^ that) … my wish would be for ALV to sit down and watch footage of herself on the STAND.

She needs complete and utter silence without any disruptions and she needs to listen to every.single.word that cames out of her mouth during HER testimony.

I think when she is done watching she is going to then realize just exactly why so many people are so disgusted with her.

 

[BearcatsFan]

Morning, Kar!

And yes, I agree with everyone else, the death threats/personal attacks/photoshopped pictures, etc. is taking it way, way overboard. How can our justice system work properly if people feel they may be threatened by participating in it?

I do agree with you that ALV needs to take a look at herself testifying, but I honestly don't think it would change her opinion. I think she truly believes all women are victims, all men are perpetrators, and nothing is going to change that opinion. Look at what she said yesterday in response to the juror question about "wasn't Travis the victim of worse DV than Jodi" and she said no. So even though Travis (supposedly) only yelled at Jodi, kicked her, and slapped her/broke her finger, and Jodi KILLED Travis, Jodi is still the worse victim in their situation, according to ALV.

She's not biased, though!

 

[momrek06]

Morning, Kar!

And yes, I agree with everyone else, the death threats/personal attacks/photoshopped pictures, etc. is taking it way, way overboard. How can our justice system work properly if people feel they may be threatened by participating in it?

I do agree with you that ALV needs to take a look at herself testifying, but I honestly don't think it would change her opinion. I think she truly believes all women are victims, all men are perpetrators, and nothing is going to change that opinion. Look at what she said yesterday in response to the juror question about "wasn't Travis the victim of worse DV than Jodi" and she said no. So even though Travis (supposedly) only yelled at Jodi, kicked her, and slapped her/broke her finger, and Jodi KILLED Travis, Jodi is still the worse victim in their situation, according to ALV.

She's not biased, though!

HIYA BCF!!! ITA w/you!!!


How about the fact that JA WENT to Travis over and over and over again. They were NOT a couple anymore. JA said it, Travis said it, all their friends said it, BUT JA continue to GO TO HIM, to HIS TOWN, to HIS HOUSE.

They were NOT married. They did not have children. They were NOTHING. Other than in their 'secret life' FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS.

If Travis was this horrific battered, and JA feared her life when around him, WHY WHY WHY did she go to him????

That just confuses me and I am confused why none of that was discussed in DEPTH with ALV on the Stand?

 

[ARal0605]

In my opinion ALV basically sold her soul for $250-$300 per hour. I can't see any other motivation for her to maintain such bias, to the point of fantasy, in assessing this case. It's sad because in the big scheme of things she really didn't make that much. $250 x 44hrs = $11,000 for assessing JA and $300 x 35hrs = $10,500 (I'm estimating $300 x 35hrs of testimony). So for $21,500, she's essentially ruined her credibility for speaking engagements, future books sales and any further testimony for hire. She can't look at anyone with a straight face now and claim she did it for DA victims all over the world. Am I missing something here?

 

[crz4mm2]

Good God, are they really willing to throw themselves under the bus to save a murderer like this? What is their f***ing deal?

I am not saying this is true, but to damage your own career with a motion like that, it's almost like JA has something to hang over their heads to make them defend her to the point of absurdity!

So they haven't known for months already that they are not qualified??? eegads. Last ditch effort to get a mistrial (although we know it won't be the LAST effort).

 

[BearcatsFan]

HIYA BCF!!! ITA w/you!!!


How about the fact that JA WENT to Travis over and over and over again. They were NOT a couple anymore. JA said it, Travis said it, all their friends said it, BUT JA continue to GO TO HIM, to HIS TOWN, to HIS HOUSE.

They were NOT married. They did not have children. They were NOTHING. Other than in their 'secret life' FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS.

If Travis was this horrific battered, and JA feared her life when around him, WHY WHY WHY did she go to him????

That just confuses me and I am confused why none of that was discussed in DEPTH with ALV on the Stand?

I think the reason why the "friends with benefits" aspect of their relationship wasn't discussed by either side because it's a lose/lose no matter who brought it up.

If the DT brings it up, that Jodi continued going over there even though they were broken up, it looks like they're admitting that she can't let him go, can't leave him alone (ie: stalking him) ... which flies in the face of the theory that she was a battered woman and therefore afraid of him.

If JM brings it up, that Travis continued allowing her to come over (which we all know why he did), then he couldn't possibly have been afraid of her, didn't really want to be broken up with her, perhaps considered getting back with her ... which flies in the face of the theory that he thought she was stalking him and that he wanted to be rid of her.

That's my theory, anyway, FWIW.

 

[WPack911]

I think the reason why the "friends with benefits" aspect of their relationship wasn't discussed by either side because it's a lose/lose no matter who brought it up.

If the DT brings it up, that Jodi continued going over there even though they were broken up, it looks like they're admitting that she can't let him go, can't leave him alone (ie: stalking him) ... which flies in the face of the theory that she was a battered woman and therefore afraid of him.

If JM brings it up, that Travis continued allowing her to come over (which we all know why he did), then he couldn't possibly have been afraid of her, didn't really want to be broken up with her, perhaps considered getting back with her ... which flies in the face of the theory that he thought she was stalking him and that he wanted to be rid of her.

That's my theory, anyway, FWIW.

Your theory is correct, however I think TA was afraid of her on some level, but since she never attacked him physically he was not fearful for his life so he took the casual sex and the last time he did JA sprung her trap and murdered him.

 

[momrek06]

In my opinion ALV basically sold her soul for $250-$300 per hour. I can't see any other motivation for her to maintain such bias, to the point of fantasy, in assessing this case. It's sad because in the big scheme of things she really didn't make that much. $250 x 44hrs = $11,000 for assessing JA and $300 x 35hrs = $10,500 (I'm estimating $300 x 35hrs of testimony). So for $21,500, she's essentially ruined her credibility for speaking engagements, future books sales and any further testimony for hire. She can't look at anyone with a straight face now and claim she did it for DA victims all over the world. Am I missing something here?

I don't think anyone will look at that in depth, ARal. GREAT theory don't get me wrong. BUT I can just IMAGINE the GASPS in this country as ALV noted on the stand this week when JM asked her and ALV corrected JM that it is $300ph she was getting as he stated $250.00ph.

I still think for what SHE brought to this trial, that amount is STAGGERING.

I think the reason why the "friends with benefits" aspect of their relationship wasn't discussed by either side because it's a lose/lose no matter who brought it up.

If the DT brings it up, that Jodi continued going over there even though they were broken up, it looks like they're admitting that she can't let him go, can't leave him alone (ie: stalking him) ... which flies in the face of the theory that she was a battered woman and therefore afraid of him.

If JM brings it up, that Travis continued allowing her to come over (which we all know why he did), then he couldn't possibly have been afraid of her, didn't really want to be broken up with her, perhaps considered getting back with her ... which flies in the face of the theory that he thought she was stalking him and that he wanted to be rid of her.

That's my theory, anyway, FWIW.

Great points, BCF!!!

 

[ARal0605]

I still think for what SHE brought to this trial, that amount is STAGGERING.

Hah!, In some circles, what she brought to this trial would be referred to as a BIG BAG OF NOTHING.