Jodi Arias Trial Part 5, starting with Violet STILLLLL rambling April 4

[MaryAnnDVC]

Good morning peoples!

I wish you all would stop posting when I'm not. Lots to catch up on this morning. I bought my DGD a kid-sized mop because she loves to "clean" so picture me on Friday when I babysit, glued to my iPhone catching up here, while little Cinderella does the floors. LOL

Another thing...ALV kept stressing that since Travis came from an abusive household, it was only fitting for him to become an abuser, because in ALV words that is the normal patten. However, she also claims that Jodi came from an abusive household yet she never abused anyone. So what is it, ALV? Can't have it both ways.

I think someone from an abusive household can go one of three ways...become the abuser, become abused, or straighten themselves out. I think Violet started out in this case with an assumption that Jodi, the female, having come from an abusive household, was the abused, and Travis, the male, having come from an abusive household, was the abuser. And I think it's a much easier sell male abuse of a female to the general public.

Do any of you know if some of the journals being used as evidence in the trial have been written by Jodi while incarcerated? Has there been any questioning in court of the notion that she may have created journals after the murder, but before she was arrested? Most of what's been talked about here is so self-serving, I cannot believe it didn't get tossed in the vetting procedure.

I cannot believe some of the evidence, witnesses and testimony that you've all discussed here that has been admitted. I have been through many, many trials (granted, no death penalty cases & nothing anywhere near this high profile) and I have never seen anything like what's been discussed here, even if I were to assume that you guys are only 10-percent accurate about evidence, questions, answers, etc. Admittedly, I'm used to the laws and judicial system in another state, but on a basic level rules of evidence and court rules and procedures of law are common across the country.

I've wondered about the journals too. Were they ever in her possession in jail. Is there a clear paper trail of where they have been.

I wonder if the judge will sequester this jury during deliberations. I've been meaning to look up her case recitations for the denial of the Defense's motion to sequester to see if those might apply, but I came down with the nastiest Spring cold ever and I'm just damn near drained from it and it just started last night. I hope this jury can convict Jodi to the fullest extent because I'm not sure how they'd feel about their decision of anything less if/when they see the non-admissible evidence we've seen.

Speculation among the HLN commentators is that they WILL be sequestered, and that's what I think. I'm sure the DT will call for it, and I don't think the judge will take a chance at this point.

Hope your cold is better! My eyes are watering just thinking about YOUR cold. lol

I've seen those real crime shows where they have members of the jury and they're asked "Would you have changed her verdict knowing 'XYZ'" and they're shocked by the info and the answer is YES. Ugh. Now THAT would freak me out as a juror. I understand about the rules of evidence, and things being prejudicial, but if I ran the world everything would be out there on the table.

Can't wait to see if there's fallout from Violet approaching the Alexander family. She probably said something sweet and grandmotherly comforting, but she should know NOT TO DO THAT.

They alluded to the fact that after Samuels made the comment about making $300/hour, Juror 5 said for $300/hour, you think they could get us better chairs to sit in. This was the day we all heard a juror laugh as they were leaving the jury box. To me, it seems kinda crazy for asking someone removed but then again, I think the DT was scared of all her note taking.

See, I don't think that that is as benign a statement as one would think...not in a trial. If that's what happened and she said ANYTHING about the witness...mere mentioning his name, fee, anything...then that's a problem. If the judge let it go, then it becomes an issue of deciding is this mention OK, but this isn't. JMHO

There's no way she was unaware that approaching Sam, in any capacity, was a no-no.

Violet strikes me as the "But I was just saying..." type.

I have one kiddo who is feeling better and one who is still puking. It seems like he is going longer between times of being sick so hopefully he will be fine soon.

Hope your puking family has stopped and is feeling better!

Tomorrow will be interesting. Glad I am off
Does it start at 930 (sharp!) again?

9:30 AM sharp! LMAO

I saw this on youtube, when JM was questioning Darryl.
She supposedly left his house that morning then went back with the remote.
But Darryl couldn't explain how she walked off with the remote.
So yep, it was a switch.
I'm sure Darryl threw that away real fast after he found out.

SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME ABOUT THE REMOTE. ??? I somehow missed the whole DVD/remote issue.

I wonder if Dr. Samuels will be diagnosing ALV with PTSD soon?

I think they're going to walk off together into the sunset, never to be heard from again.

Okay.... my friends, have to tell you this funny thing happened this morning.
I went to my nephew's little league game...where the coach pitches to the kids and they are so little and so sweet (he's 6).

He has some issues, he will get distracted by a fly or a plane while out on the field. When he puts his hands on his knees, he starts looking for bugs on the grass. That's our Johnny.

So I drive 2 hours to come see him play today. He was sooo excited Auntie was there.

One inning, he was playing 3rd base. I go to the fence to cheer him on "pay attention" "watch the ball". He was so cute and listening to Auntie.

A batter hit the ball to right field and he was starting to run towards second base.

I yelled "Johnny, cover your base!" He stopped dead in his tracks and covered his face with his glove and other hand!

Me: "Not your face, your base!" LOL and he went running back to 3rd base.


See ya all a little later today

How cute! I remember when my kids were little and the hilarious things that happened in sports, like at a soccer game and the coach yelling "Stop! OUR goal's the other way!"

 

[Uncle Remus]

I JUANder if Juror 5 will be there today?


I kept the kids home from school today. The one who was feeling better started throwing up again last night. Ugh. On a positive note, I am not at work so I won't miss any of the trial today.

Oh nooo, let's hope they quit passing it back and forth, but glad you're getting to watch the trial today, should be interesting.

I hope juror #5 stays home, she can watch this online and stop distracting the jury with her presence.

I'm ready to see the State debunk the whole notion of BWS, even if it was in the DSM, it still wouldn't make it a valid excuse to self defense as Jodi describes the crime.

And morning, everyone, I'm feeling better... for the moment.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Good morning peoples!

I wish you all would stop posting when I'm not. Lots to catch up on this morning. I bought my DGD a kid-sized mop because she loves to "clean" so picture me on Friday when I babysit, glued to my iPhone catching up here, while little Cinderella does the floors. LOL

 

[reelmom]

Oh nooo, let's hope they quit passing it back and forth, but glad you're getting to watch the trial today, should be interesting.

I hope juror #5 stays home, she can watch this online and stop distracting the jury with her presence.

I'm ready to see the State debunk the whole notion of BWS, even if it was in the DSM, it still wouldn't make it a valid excuse to self defense as Jodi describes the crime.

And morning, everyone, I'm feeling better... for the moment.

Glad you are feeling better.

As far as the DSM, I think JM is hinting that since ALV is not a doctor or licensed therapist, it doesn't matter if she interepts BWS because she cannot use the DSM to diagnose. And her continuem(sp?) is written by her and can be changed at will. At least that is where I think he is going. It should be interesting today.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Good morning peoples!

I wish you all would stop posting when I'm not. Lots to catch up on this morning. I bought my DGD a kid-sized mop because she loves to "clean" so picture me on Friday when I babysit, glued to my iPhone catching up here, while little Cinderella does the floors. LOL I think someone from an abusive household can go one of three ways...become the abuser, become abused, or straighten themselves out. I think Violet started out in this case with an assumption that Jodi, the female, having come from an abusive household, was the abused, and Travis, the male, having come from an abusive household, was the abuser. And I think it's a much easier sell male abuse of a female to the general public.I've wondered about the journals too. Were they ever in her possession in jail. Is there a clear paper trail of where they have been. Speculation among the HLN commentators is that they WILL be sequestered, and that's what I think. I'm sure the DT will call for it, and I don't think the judge will take a chance at this point.

Hope your cold is better! My eyes are watering just thinking about YOUR cold. lol

I've seen those real crime shows where they have members of the jury and they're asked "Would you have changed her verdict knowing 'XYZ'" and they're shocked by the info and the answer is YES. Ugh. Now THAT would freak me out as a juror. I understand about the rules of evidence, and things being prejudicial, but if I ran the world everything would be out there on the table.

Can't wait to see if there's fallout from Violet approaching the Alexander family. She probably said something sweet and grandmotherly comforting, but she should know NOT TO DO THAT.See, I don't think that that is as benign a statement as one would think...not in a trial. If that's what happened and she said ANYTHING about the witness...mere mentioning his name, fee, anything...then that's a problem. If the judge let it go, then it becomes an issue of deciding is this mention OK, but this isn't. JMHO Violet strikes me as the "But I was just saying..." type. Hope your puking family has stopped and is feeling better! 9:30 AM sharp! LMAO SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME ABOUT THE REMOTE. ??? I somehow missed the whole DVD/remote issue. I think they're going to walk off together into the sunset, never to be heard from again. How cute! I remember when my kids were little and the hilarious things that happened in sports, like at a soccer game and the coach yelling "Stop! OUR goal's the other way!"

Well, you notice she did not pick out Cinderella for a story...

 

[reelmom]

This may have been posted before but this is very creepy. Since JA refers to things in movies a lot, this wouldn't surprise me.

WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial11h
Jennifer sent me this link via Facebook.. very creepy similarities. Psycho #JodiArias https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHOl4Q2CcAEOxHz.jpg:large#.UWG0SSpxBmY.twitter …

Click on the link in the tweet to see it. Could just be a coincedence but very creepy.

 

[lorimay]

This may have been posted before but this is very creepy. Since JA refers to things in movies a lot, this wouldn't surprise me.

WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial11h
Jennifer sent me this link via Facebook.. very creepy similarities. Psycho #JodiArias https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHOl4Q2CcAEOxHz.jpg:large#.UWG0SSpxBmY.twitter …

Click on the link in the tweet to see it. Could just be a coincedence but very creepy.

Beyond creepy.
She is a frigging nut job.
This makes perfect sense when you see who took these pictures.

 

[usnuzuloose]

This may have been posted before but this is very creepy. Since JA refers to things in movies a lot, this wouldn't surprise me.

WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial11h
Jennifer sent me this link via Facebook.. very creepy similarities. Psycho #JodiArias https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHOl4Q2CcAEOxHz.jpg:large#.UWG0SSpxBmY.twitter …

Click on the link in the tweet to see it. Could just be a coincedence but very creepy.

That is creepy, but sadly that seems more like it. She seems to use movie theme stuff.

 

[TiggerTails57]

This may have been posted before but this is very creepy. Since JA refers to things in movies a lot, this wouldn't surprise me.

WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial11h
Jennifer sent me this link via Facebook.. very creepy similarities. Psycho #JodiArias https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHOl4Q2CcAEOxHz.jpg:large#.UWG0SSpxBmY.twitter …

Click on the link in the tweet to see it. Could just be a coincedence but very creepy.

WOW! thanks for sharing......

 

[usnuzuloose]

Boy the weather is strange here today, it is very windy and chilly. Almost feels like October.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

So I got a little sidetracked because I chased down Jehovah's Witnesses and told them to stop coming to my house. I live out in the boonies for a reason! It's like getting a telemarketer (don't get me started on them) IN PERSON. I also called the police and confirmed they're supposed to have a permit (and I gave them the license plate number), and called the town hall and confirmed they have no permit. I'm a woman on a mission! The good news is I found out that we have such nice people working at the police station and town hall!

This may have been posted before but this is very creepy. Since JA refers to things in movies a lot, this wouldn't surprise me.

WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial11h
Jennifer sent me this link via Facebook.. very creepy similarities. Psycho #JodiArias https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHOl4Q2CcAEOxHz.jpg:large#.UWG0SSpxBmY.twitter …

Click on the link in the tweet to see it. Could just be a coincedence but very creepy.

Well, that gave me a shiver!

You may have missed in my looooonnnngg post above, but WHAT'S THE SCOOP ON THE DVD/REMOTE STORY? I somehow missed that whole thing.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Glad you are feeling better.

As far as the DSM, I think JM is hinting that since ALV is not a doctor or licensed therapist, it doesn't matter if she interepts BWS because she cannot use the DSM to diagnose. And her continuem(sp?) is written by her and can be changed at will. At least that is where I think he is going. It should be interesting today.

Other than she is a licensed therapist and BWS isn't in the DSM, it's not actually a recognized illness in some circles and especially in some states as a legal defense. And there is some debate as to how it's used in AZ, but I'm not gonna go look at the technicalities, hopefully the State will wrap it up tight for the jury.

Jodi's testimony went thru all the woe is me, I'm an abused child coz my momma hit me with a wooden spoon to the point that she maintained an abusive relationship with Travis and then had to kill him because he attacked her (according to her shower story). She and the DT are using the abuse excuse to explain why she was once again back at Travis' house to kill him for threatening her in the text messages. And yes, she probably threatened to tell all about him which is what caused him to respond the way he did. I said it before, these are/were two nasty, ugly sick people in a nasty, ugly relationship.

 

[reelmom]

Here is another link that is creepy. It talks about Jodi doing drawings from the Zodiac Killer( I will post a link to those drawings when I find them.) about 8 years before Travis' murder. It compares the places the Zodiac Killer killed his victims and the same places Jodi went on her trip to kill Travis. It also talks about different movie character references Jodi makes.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rjl0vb


ETA: link for her drawings

https://twitter.com/stark3923/status/321026549476372480/photo/1

 

[lorimay]

Hi Mare
Happy Monday!

The story about your Granddaughter mopping the floor is too cute.
Give her a swifter duster too!!! They love this stuff, too bad we know better.

The story with the DVD remote seems to be that she bartered with Darryl, she apparently gave him the DVD player she stole from grandparents in exchange for the gas cans.

Juan asked him about during his testimony. She left with the remote and went back a little while later and brought it to him. Darryl must have said that in his deposition and Juan put 2 and 2 together realizing what they did. But on the stand Darryl said he didn't know how she took it.

There is a youtube video and thats where I saw it.
Whoever posted it said Juan couldn't speculate , but that he (the poster of the video) said that he could.
It makes sense.

Darryl must have burned that thing when all the details came out.

He is lucky she wasn't his target.

 

[reelmom]

So I got a little sidetracked because I chased down Jehovah's Witnesses and told them to stop coming to my house. I live out in the boonies for a reason! It's like getting a telemarketer (don't get me started on them) IN PERSON. I also called the police and confirmed they're supposed to have a permit (and I gave them the license plate number), and called the town hall and confirmed they have no permit. I'm a woman on a mission! The good news is I found out that we have such nice people working at the police station and town hall! Well, that gave me a shiver!

You may have missed in my looooonnnngg post above, but WHAT'S THE SCOOP ON THE DVD/REMOTE STORY? I somehow missed that whole thing.

I hope I can answer this for you or give you an idea about the remote. Someone please help me explain if I am wrong or leave something out. Jodi said she took a remote back to Darryl after she had already left his house after some time. This is rumored to be the remote of the grandparents stolen DVD player. Guesses are that she traded the DVD player to Darryl or his son for the 2 gas cans. Jodi admitted to taking a remote back but didn't say why or what it was for. I think she gave it to Darryl to for the gans but also used the "going back to Darryl's" after a couple of hours to return it to give a reason why she was gone for so long to the nail salon. She said she had a long wait to get her nails done but I think she got her hair dyed also. This would account for several hours. JM kept hinting around like he knew something about the remote and something about the Salinas nail salon. I think he will tie it up neatly in rebuttal.

 

[reelmom]

Here is a youtube link that breaks down about the remote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9-qVSYgD68

 

[reelmom]

Hi Mare
Happy Monday!

The story about your Granddaughter mopping the floor is too cute.
Give her a swifter duster too!!! They love this stuff, too bad we know better.

The story with the DVD remote seems to be that she bartered with Darryl, she apparently gave him the DVD player she stole from grandparents in exchange for the gas cans.

Juan asked him about during his testimony. She left with the remote and went back a little while later and brought it to him. Darryl must have said that in his deposition and Juan put 2 and 2 together realizing what they did. But on the stand Darryl said he didn't know how she took it.

There is a youtube video and thats where I saw it.
Whoever posted it said Juan couldn't speculate , but that he (the poster of the video) said that he could.
It makes sense.

Darryl must have burned that thing when all the details came out.

He is lucky she wasn't his target.

Or JM has the remote. Wouldn't that be something.

 

[reelmom]

AboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial1m
Juan just arrived, I was right with my forecast, he has on dark gray and blue tie. What do I win? He's plugging in his Bose Radio #JodiArias

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Hi Mare
Happy Monday!

The story about your Granddaughter mopping the floor is too cute.
Give her a swifter duster too!!! They love this stuff, too bad we know better.

The story with the DVD remote seems to be that she bartered with Darryl, she apparently gave him the DVD player she stole from grandparents in exchange for the gas cans.

Juan asked him about during his testimony. She left with the remote and went back a little while later and brought it to him. Darryl must have said that in his deposition and Juan put 2 and 2 together realizing what they did. But on the stand Darryl said he didn't know how she took it.

There is a youtube video and thats where I saw it.
Whoever posted it said Juan couldn't speculate , but that he (the poster of the video) said that he could.
It makes sense.

Darryl must have burned that thing when all the details came out.

He is lucky she wasn't his target.

I hope I can answer this for you or give you an idea about the remote. Someone please help me explain if I am wrong or leave something out. Jodi said she took a remote back to Darryl after she had already left his house after some time. This is rumored to be the remote of the grandparents stolen DVD player. Guesses are that she traded the DVD player to Darryl or his son for the 2 gas cans. Jodi admitted to taking a remote back but didn't say why or what it was for. I think she gave it to Darryl to for the gans but also used the "going back to Darryl's" after a couple of hours to return it to give a reason why she was gone for so long to the nail salon. She said she had a long wait to get her nails done but I think she got her hair dyed also. This would account for several hours. JM kept hinting around like he knew something about the remote and something about the Salinas nail salon. I think he will tie it up neatly in rebuttal.

Here is a youtube link that breaks down about the remote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9-qVSYgD68

Thanks to you both! I have vague somewhat foggy memories of that. I'll watch the video in a bit. I have to get in the shower now on the off chance testimony DOES start at 9:30 Jodi time.

 

[lorimay]

Or JM has the remote. Wouldn't that be something.

That would be priceless!!!!