Jodi Arias Trial Part 2, starting with JM cross of JA

[PebblesMK]

All three great questions.
My question would have been #3 also. That makes no sense to claim you are an abused woman and then you go back from hundreds of miles away to let him abuse you more? No way.

I'm pretty sure that abused women DO go back to their abuser often, but it probably has more to do with the fact that many are in a situation where the abuser is supporting them financially, or they just have nowhere to go..or there is a fear. However, I'm pretty sure that almost all of them would like to escape but don't know how. Jodi lived HUNDREDS of miles away. Travis didn't come to her, he didn't really seek her out. If he asked her to come visit and she didn't, he wouldn't drive hundreds of miles and beat her because of it...and most likely would beat the crap out of her when she did visit because he was upset about the time before. Nope, no way, no how was he an abuser.

 

[crz4mm2]

I'm pretty sure that abused women DO go back to their abuser often, but it probably has more to do with the fact that many are in a situation where the abuser is supporting them financially, or they just have nowhere to go..or there is a fear. However, I'm pretty sure that almost all of them would like to escape but don't know how. Jodi lived HUNDREDS of miles away. Travis didn't come to her, he didn't really seek her out. If he asked her to come visit and she didn't, he wouldn't drive hundreds of miles and beat her because of it...and most likely would beat the crap out of her when she did visit because he was upset about the time before. Nope, no way, no how was he an abuser.

YEs, I agree completely.
I know women who have stayed with abusers (living with them with no way to get out) but this was not the case.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I heard the judge mention something about Feb 22, so I guess I was assuming that they published something on that day.

Not sure about that Feb 22 reference, but maybe the newspaper did a scathing editorial about these closed hearings.

There is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZGyXVfoU_4 But not sure if this is what is being talked about?

Yeah, that's the opening hearing with the press' argument for transcripts to those in chamber hearings.

I'm pretty sure that abused women DO go back to their abuser often, but it probably has more to do with the fact that many are in a situation where the abuser is supporting them financially, or they just have nowhere to go..or there is a fear. However, I'm pretty sure that almost all of them would like to escape but don't know how. Jodi lived HUNDREDS of miles away. Travis didn't come to her, he didn't really seek her out. If he asked her to come visit and she didn't, he wouldn't drive hundreds of miles and beat her because of it...and most likely would beat the crap out of her when she did visit because he was upset about the time before. Nope, no way, no how was he an abuser.

YEs, I agree completely.
I know women who have stayed with abusers (living with them with no way to get out) but this was not the case.

The flip side of that is why would some man who tells all his friends he's being stalked by some whacked out psycho continue to have phone sex and make plans to visit that psycho (he said she was #1 on his list to do in the taped conversation) and then on the day of his death spend the day with this stalking psycho?

I think all the minutiae arguing Martinez did with Jodi on the stand and using the reactions that most people have that they wanted to knock the crap outta Jodi allows someone on that jury to see it's not such a far fetched idea that Travis may have lunged at Jodi.

I'm hoping the jury sees the "coincidence" that the caliber weapon stolen from Jodi's grandparents being the same caliber weapon that killed Travis is just too much of a coincidence in addition to her suspicious behavior (gas purchases, etc.) makes the jury inclined to believe this was premeditated, that she went to see Travis with the intent to kill him. And this means she didn't go there with the intention to threaten him, I mean that she INTENDED to kill him, that's premeditation which carries the death penalty if she's found guilty, if they find her guilty of anything less, she gets time, not death.

 

[2Kds2K9]

I don't know what I would ask her, but I can't wait for the day the siblings can make their statements. I don't know if Jodi will be able to respond to them or not, but I hope they burn a hole in what little soul Jodi may have.

My money is on Jodi responding to his siblings. She ALWAYS has to have the last word and she's just that crazy that she'll feel that she has to respond to them. And it won't be "I'm sorry".

 

[kidshop]

Beth Karas InSession
After Arias completes her testimony next week, the defense is expected to call two experts: psychologist Richard Samuels and domestic violence expert Alyce LaViolette. They are expected to offer opinions that she suffers from PTSD and Battered Women's Syndrome--and will explain Arias's behavior in that context.


Beth Karas InSession
Cross is completed! There are several slips of paper from the jurors in their basket.

That's going to be difficult since Jodi already said, many times that all the sex was consensual ALWAYS and she's kept forgetting that Travis was a big bad bully. It couldn't be clearer that Travis broke her finger......while she was stabbing him. And her monotone recitation that he 'body slammed her and choked her, blah blah blah' is not what you typically see in a battered woman. Not to mention she had no ties to him like financial or kids. She CHOSE to go to him when she was already away.


She admitted he was no threat to her during the murder. She could only 'guess'.

I will be very interesting to hear the jury questions. Do they think she will tell any truths?



When she made the comment about her cell being smaller than Travis' closet...that can't cause a mistrial, can it? It wouldn't be fair former to be able to do that.

 

[kidshop]

I heard the judge mention something about Feb 22, so I guess I was assuming that they published something on that day.

I believe the hearing was on the forged letters about Travis being a pedophile.

 

[lorimay]

We may get a read as to what they are thinking by the questions asked.

How many times did she say she enjoyed the sex most of the time? at least 20?

 

[Uncle Remus]

I believe the hearing was on the forged letters about Travis being a pedophile.

The forged letters were ruled on quite some time ago, might have even been the previous judge to this one, but I ain't gonna go sift thru the documents listed on the first page of this thread. I'm actually gonna get something done today.

 

[Uncle Remus]

We may get a read as to what they are thinking by the questions asked.

How many times did she say she enjoyed the sex most of the time? at least 20?

So let me ask you this (playing devil's advocate, literally LOL). Why is it that Travis driven by his humanly (he's just a healthy male who can't control his sexual urges) hormones any different from Jodi? If Travis couldn't stay away from Jodi due to the sex, why does anyone believe she could stay away from him and that same sex?

 

[Thumper_Man]

These are all very good questions, but I think JM covered most of them in some sort of fashion.

Questions I wish jurors would ask:

1. Why didn't you just run out the bedroom door when Travis was chasing you naked?

You're going to have to get a little more specific.

On the day of June 4th, 2008, after you dropped the camera on the bathroom floor and Mr. Alexander stepped out of the shower, tackled you like a linebacker and you both went down, then you got up and ran down the hall, all the while he was trying to grab you, why didn't you just run out the bedroom door instead?

I can tell you her answer already. "I don't know."

JM did ask her this though. If I remember correctly, her response was the last time she tried to run away from him, he caught her. Last time, he wasn't naked. JM tried on several occasions tried to ask her this. When she ran into the shower, JM asked her "wouldn't it just been easier to turn right instead of going straight?" Her reply it was about the same distance either way. What he was trying to get at is that she could've easily got away down the hall while he was running through the closet. We know that wasn't her true intention.

2. Why did you say that the bullet was not originally in that spot on top of the blood? Where was it then?

I bet I can guess her answer here to. After I fired the gun, I didn't see where the bullet landed, so I don't know where it originally landed.

JM asked her about this to when he showed her the picture. Just I guessed, she said it may have gotten kicked while she was trying to get away. JM proved there was no blood at the time, so even if she kicked it during the time she got up and ran into the closet, there was no blood for it to land in.

3. Please tell us why you say you feared Travis yet ran to him every time he called even when you moved 100's of miles away from him.

This is a very good question. She'll probably stick with the story that he guilted her into going. Although we know she went for the booty call. She wanted it just as much as he did.

I got the sense that JM's intentions of asking her about controlling her own actions were along the lines of your question. JA chose to drove there when she didn't really have to. She had already chose to move away. She was in control of her actions and she could've very easily have chosen to stay away.

What are your question??

My questions would be, where in the desert did you throw the gun? I know she said she don't remember exactly where she was, but I would ask her about the surroundings. Was it a two lane road. Were there any specific land marks. Did you see how far you threw the gun?

I want them to find that gun.

 

[kidshop]

The forged letters were ruled on quite some time ago, might have even been the previous judge to this one, but I ain't gonna go sift thru the documents listed on the first page of this thread. I'm actually gonna get something done today.

I may leave the house today!

Maybe, then something to do with the secret messages in the magazines? That just sort of disappeared.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I may leave the house today!

Maybe, then something to do with the secret messages in the magazines? That just sort of disappeared.

Me too.


Wonder if it was something to do with this?:

3:40 p.m. Court convenes in chambers with Defendant and respective Counsel present.
Discussion is held as stated on the record.
Each Juror is brought in individually and Voir Dired.
IT IS ORDERED this portion of the hearing from 3:40 p.m. to 4:18 p.m. shall be sealed
not to be opened until further order of the Court.

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/022013/m5647071.pdf Dated: 02/20/2013

 

[momrek06]

My question if I were a juror to the Court would be …

If all the stabbings and slashings happened in the middle of the bathroom floor, how is Travis' body found in a ball in the shower stall?





Also, like kidshop posted, JA's statements about Travis' closet being the same size as her's now … I cannot remember how she worded it but will that be a cause for concern; mistrial????

 

[Uncle Remus]

Picked this up from another site who got it from another site:

Juror #1 70s WM, #2 30s WF, #3 50s WF,
#4 70s WM, #5 60s WM, #6 30s WM,
#7 50s WM, #8 late 20′s Hisp M, #9 40s WF,
#10 70s WM, #11 60s WM, #12 30s WM,
#13 60s WF, #14 30s WF, #15 70s WM,
#16 50s WF, #17 60s WM, #18 60s WF

Supposedly that's from an eye witness in the court room, for whatever that's worth.

 

[momrek06]

Picked this up from another site who got it from another site:

Juror #1 70s WM, #2 30s WF, #3 50s WF, #4 70s WM, #5 60s WM, #6 30s WM,

#7 50s WM, #8 late 20′s Hisp M, #9 40s WF, #10 70s WM, #11 60s WM, #12 30s WM,

#13 60s WF, #14 30s WF, #15 70s WM, #16 50s WF, #17 60s WM, #18 60s WF

Supposedly that's from an eye witness in the court room, for whatever that's worth.

Wow, well that sure is a good mix!!!

 

[PebblesMK]

My question if I were a juror to the Court would be …

If all the stabbings and slashings happened in the middle of the bathroom floor, how is Travis' body found in a ball in the shower stall?





Also, like kidshop posted, JA's statements about Travis' closet being the same size as her's now … I cannot remember how she worded it but will that be a cause for concern; mistrial????

How about, "Why is he so clean, one more attempt at washing away evidence?"

As terrible as the pictures are, imagine if he were covered in blood. I think that would be more difficult for the family.

Also, when I first saw the pics, I thought "he wasn't in that good of shape, he looks chubby"...then I found out he was bloated from the dying process. That had never crossed my mind.

 

[BearcatsFan]

Also, like kidshop posted, JA's statements about Travis' closet being the same size as her's now … I cannot remember how she worded it but will that be a cause for concern; mistrial????

I believe she said, "It's larger than the cell I'm living in now." And JM responded with, "Did I ask you that ma'am? Did I ask you about where you're currently living? We do not need to know about your current living situation."

I was wondering the same thing because I know they want to keep the fact that she's in jail under-wraps. I think I've heard the talking heads say that it prejudices the jury if they know a defendant is already in jail because then they think, "Well, they must have a reason for having them locked up, so they have to be guilty." I'm hoping it's not grounds for appeal, but she did sneak that in there on purpose, I think.

 

[momrek06]

Beth Karas InSession
Tune in tonight at 10 pm ET to CNN's AC360 for a one-hour special--Sex, Lies & Audiotape: The Jodi Arias Trial.


Also DATELINE reminder for tonight as well!

 

[Uncle Remus]

My question if I were a juror to the Court would be …

If all the stabbings and slashings happened in the middle of the bathroom floor, how is Travis' body found in a ball in the shower stall?





Also, like kidshop posted, JA's statements about Travis' closet being the same size as her's now … I cannot remember how she worded it but will that be a cause for concern; mistrial????

She'd probably tell them Travis wouldn't have liked all that blood all over himself and I know this because we had such a special bond, I know all his secrets and he knows mine and...and... ummm, and... so I did what Travis would do, I put him in the shower and bathed him because that's what Travis would have done and umm, and.. umm and...

 

[beachdodrun]

Hey Jodi, now that you've been convicted and will spend the rest of your life behind bars, I have a question for you. No doubt you are a very bright lady. You speak very well. You have a great memory. You pay great attention to detail. You use your brain. You used forethought in planning the long drive to AZ. My question is....why didnt you just take the camera with you after the murder and dump it in the desert with the gun/knife/rope? Its highly likely you would have been the #1 suspect but probably couldnt have even been indicted. You could have played the part of a mormon in mourning, found another mormom man and tried the seductive moves again in an attempt to find man/home/lifestyle/kids/ you seek.