Jesus wasn't resurrected

[LuvDuke]

11:00 in Hillsborough County. check local times and bible thumping agendas to see if you can dance with a female.

Well wouldn't that make for an interesting weekend.

 

[Amity 3]

Well wouldn't that make for an interesting weekend.

can the devout have relations with their wife/husband on sundays if it's not meant for procreation?

it's supposed to be a day of rest.

 

[phillybeth]

11:00 in Hillsborough County. check local times and bible thumping agendas to see if you can dance with a female.

Jenny, correct me if I'm wrong (please!), but aren't marital relations encouraged on Shabbat for those who are able?

 

[LuvDuke]

can the devout have relations with their wife/husband on sundays if it's not meant for procreation?

it's supposed to be a day of rest.

Hmmm, I never pondered the philosophical implications.

 

[RoyalCanadian]

Jenny, correct me if I'm wrong (please!), but aren't marital relations encouraged on Shabbat for those who are able?

I'm having flashbacks to that Simpson's episode where Bart & Lisa argue the Talmud with Rabbi Krustovski.

 

[RoyalCanadian]

can the devout have relations with their wife/husband on sundays if it's not meant for procreation?

it's supposed to be a day of rest.

Perhaps this is another job for the Shabbat goy?

 

[Amity 3]

Hmmm, I never pondered the philosophical implications.

I get a lot of hate pm's.

 

[magicmato]

I get a lot of hate pm's.

LOL. We never would have guessed.

 

[Buckalew11]

Quote:
hallmark of Jewish philosophy, particularly within the Chabad and other Chasidic movements, places a great emphasis upon a joyful service of G-d. When one considers the long and difficult history of the Jewish people, one may ask in all fairness, "Why and how does one do this?"

Serving G-d with a joyful attitude is a Mitzvah, as the daily prayers say,

"Ivdu et Hashem bi'simcha"

(Serve G-d with joy)! Is it realistic to demand a joyful service of our Creator in light of all the difficulties found within the world, and most notably those that have faced and continue to face our nation?

The Baal Shem Tov, originator of Chasidic Philosophy, emphasized the need for this critical mindset, as he developed his approach to divine service nearly 300 years ago. His prayers were conducted in a state of near ecstasy, and such has been the custom of Chasidim since his times.

This euphoric state is reached not by ignoring what is occurring in the world around us, but instead because of what we see. The first fact that should bring any of us to great happiness is the fact that the Master of the Universe has entrusted us with His most precious gift, the Torah. It is the greatest honor to have been chosen as keepers of G-d's will and wisdom that are espoused within the Torah. Every commandment that we fulfill draws us closer into the bosom of our Creator. It is His ultimate expression of love for us, that He has given us His Torah that lends meaning and value to our lives. The Torah ennobles our existence!

When we couple this fact with the idea that we Jews believe in a personal G-d, a G-d that takes a "personal interest" in how we live our lives, and therefore is intimately involved with every aspect of our lives, we come to an increased state of joy.

It is true that there is much darkness in the world, but at least we have been given a method to dispel the darkness using the light of Torah. There is always hope. Hope creates joy and gives purpose to those who have it. Those people who feel no hope suffer from depression. We know however, that we have a G-dly soul, described as a "Veritable portion of G-d Above!" How can one with such a powerful force within, not feel happiness? "



I just googled the "serve the Lord with joy" saying and came up with the same quote. Google certainly helps us have a lot of knowledge at our fingertips! I think one of the things that stands out to me in the above is how this rabbi thinks of God as a very personal God who takes a "presonal interest" in us. Very different from a God who set it all in motion and then just lets it move forward.

I think y'all are right. You can't prove the Bible is real. You can't prove that jesus was real or resurrected. You can't prove He was the Messiah or if we should still be waiting on the Messiah. I can't think of one way to prove any of this. I think, once you experience God, then you know within yourself that God is real. For me, my experience with God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are as real as ANY other experience in my life. I'd give my life for my faith in Jesus Christ. It is a calling for me to believe and one I have answered and have chosen to try and serve a very real God in this lifetime and on into the next.

In this lifetime, I think we all have to choose as best we know how to choose. If we choose not to believe in God and death comes and there really wasn't a God, none of this will matter anyway.

I'll probably watch the show and see what they say. It won't change my belief since there will be no proof just like there is no proof for others that God does exist. But I am sure it will be thought provoking. Having Jesus marry Mary and have a child (like the Dan Brown story) would not make a bit of difference to me had it been true. However, no resurrection would be a deal breaker for me so it would be a much bigger deal. But somehow, through my experiences with God, I honestly have no doubt He is real. JMHT.

 

[Amity 3]

I'm having flashbacks to that Simpson's episode where Bart & Lisa argue the Talmud with Rabbi Krustovski.

I don't care about your faith, but if you can cite the Simpsons that deeply, you're my new best friend.

 

[phillybeth]

Perhaps this is another job for the Shabbat goy?

Hey buddy- c'mere and turn my lights on please! And while you're at it, I got a little job for you upstairs...

 

[Amity 3]

LOL. We never would have guessed.

the irony just enforces my views.

 

[magicmato]

However, no resurrection would be a deal breaker for me so it would be a much bigger deal. But somehow, through my experiences with God, I honestly have no doubt He is real. JMHT.

I am not understanding how anyone could prove he did not resurrect? Not really directed at you, but at everyone who has talked about anyone proving it. I would think that, at most, if they could prove this was *the* Jesus, all it would show is that he did not disappear off the face of the earth. Would it really prove he did not resurrect?

After all, we cannot definitively prove or disprove anything from that long ago.

 

[LuvDuke]

I am not understanding how anyone could prove he did not resurrect? Not really directed at you, but at everyone who has talked about anyone proving it. I would think that, at most, if they could prove this was *the* Jesus, all it would show is that he did not disappear off the face of the earth. Would it really prove he did not resurrect?

After all, we cannot definitively prove or disprove anything from that long ago.

Well, if the ossuaries could proven to be Jesus and his family, it would certainly be a starting point to solving the mystery of whether or not he even existed. A non-existent person cannot die and be resurrected.

 

[Amity 3]

I am not understanding how anyone could prove he did not resurrect? Not really directed at you, but at everyone who has talked about anyone proving it. I would think that, at most, if they could prove this was *the* Jesus, all it would show is that he did not disappear off the face of the earth. Would it really prove he did not resurrect?

After all, we cannot definitively prove or disprove anything from that long ago.

there is no emperical evidence Jesus is the son of God, because there is no emperical evidence there is a God.

 

[magicmato]

Well, if the ossuaries could proven to be Jesus and his family, it would certainly be a starting point to solving the mystery of whether or not he even existed. A non-existent person cannot die and be resurrected.

I agree. Which is why I do not understand how determining if it is Jesus or not would be an attack on Christianity. Wouldn't you want proof that he existed? Would that not strengthen your faith, rather than disparage it?

 

[magicmato]

there is no emperical evidence Jesus is the son of God, because there is no emperical evidence there is a God.

Yep, that is where faith comes in. If it can be proven, then there is no faith.

 

[Amity 3]

Yep, that is where faith comes in. If it can be proven, then there is no faith.

faith turns people into suicide bombers.

 

[Buckalew11]

faith turns people into suicide bombers.

Nice brush your using, Amity.

 

[phillybeth]

It does though. They are just as passionate about their faith, and their aboslute conviction that they are right, as you are.