Jesus wasn't resurrected

Jimmie, I don't mean to seem to "pick" on you, and I didn't really intend to get into the feasibility of religious beliefs here, but I have to say...that makes absolutely no sense to me. You say that all of these complex things don't make sense without some kind of designer being behind them, yet say that the even more complex designer "just is." :confused3 Do you really not see the contradiction there?

I believe the human mind cannot begin to understand God. We are limited this side of heaven. Isn't it possible our Creator could be outside our realm of understanding?
 
Jimmie, I don't mean to seem to "pick" on you, and I didn't really intend to get into the feasibility of religious beliefs here, but I have to say...that makes absolutely no sense to me. You say that all of these complex things don't make sense without some kind of designer being behind them, yet say that the even more complex designer "just is." :confused3 Do you really not see the contradiction there?

it's the same way of thinking that convinced everyone the world was flat in the 15th century.
 
I saw them say this on the today this a.m. and have to agree with an earlier post that unless you are willing to look at FACTS and mae your own determination wihtout just saying its nonesense theres no use even replying on this thread and dismissing it
you have to have an open mind with something like this
look at and if you still disagree thats your perpective but to disagree without watching the movie and reading book doesnt make sense

Certainly it does. It's called faith. Makes perfect sense to me.

I'll still watch it just to see what ole Jim has to say, but that will be the end of it.
 

Certainly it does. It's called faith. Makes perfect sense to me.

I'll still watch it just to see what ole Jim has to say, but that will be the end of it.

:offtopic: but I just had to say how adorable your furbaby is! Oh my, what a cutie pie! :goodvibes
 
Perhaps discussion on this subject is best postponed until the documentary is actually available for viewing - so we actually have something to argue about.

That assumes that the people ripping into it now I going to watch it before ripping it any further. I really doubt that will happen.
 
I firmly believe that the human mind has absolutely no way to grasp the vastness of God.

Kind of like how I can't grasp calculus..but I know it works. haha!
 
That certainly makes sense. However, Jesus claimed to be the "only way to the Father."

And other prophets have claimed theirs is the only way as well. And? Just because you feel you are right does not make it so. :) I believe it does not matter which path we take, it only matters how we travel that path and what we do upon it.
 
And other prophets have claimed theirs is the only way as well. And? Just because you feel you are right does not make it so. :) I believe it does not matter which path we take, it only matters how we travel that path and what we do upon it.

Jesus is THE way. :cloud9: It matters what path we take.
 
And other prophets have claimed theirs is the only way as well. And? Just because you feel you are right does not make it so. :) I believe it does not matter which path we take, it only matters how we travel that path and what we do upon it.

I totally agree.

IMO it's one thing to personally believe there is only one right way, it's quite another to tell others their belief is wrong.
 
I believe the human mind cannot begin to understand God. We are limited this side of heaven. Isn't it possible our Creator could be outside our realm of understanding?

then why were created in is own image? his only kid died fo us. shouldn't our brains and God's be somehow hardwired together if we're supposed to perform his tasks?

and if they were, why do we need the token death of his only kid to keep us further in line?
 
va32h said:
Says you.

Neener, neener, so there. ;)

Seriously, can we move past the playground rejoinders. Perhaps discussion on this subject is best postponed until the documentary is actually available for viewing - so we actually have something to argue about.

Umm...it was a joke. :rolleyes: Get it..."prove he doesn't exist"..."prove you don't have WMD's"....eh...never mind.

jimmie said:
I believe the human mind cannot begin to understand God. We are limited this side of heaven. Isn't it possible our Creator could be outside our realm of understanding?
Sure...it's the reason I'm actually agnostic instead of an atheist. But isn't it equally possible - if not considerably more so, since we have science that backs it up - that the earth has been here a lot longer than the bible claims, and that it evolved just the way science says it did? Why is an invisible creator somehow more believable than scientific data? Particularly in light of the fact that you must ignore facts in order to continue to believe?
 
Jesus is THE way. :cloud9: It matters what path we take.

For you. You cannot know or even claim to know what MY path is supposed to be. And how about all those christians faiths that claim any other christian faith is wrong and you will only get to god if you follow their particular brand?

In the end, no one can make claim to what another person should believe. You can only claim and be responsible for yourself. Jesus may be YOUR path, but you have no right to say it should be everyone's.
 
I totally agree.

IMO it's one thing to personally believe there is only one right way, its' quite another to tell others their belief is wrong.

True and that's how I feel, but I've found it hard to express in writing though without sounding like I'm proclaiming absolutes.
 
Amity3...you're reasoning doesn't cut it. You don't get to dictate what should and should not be as far as how God works (i.e. man being "hardwired" to God for understanding). That said...I like you...you're thought provoking.
 
Recent article rebutting the "claim"

Scholars Criticize New Jesus Documentary
Feb 26 10:03 AM US/Eastern
By MARSHALL THOMPSON
Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Archaeologists and clergymen in the Holy Land derided claims in a new documentary produced by the Oscar-winning director James Cameron that contradict major Christian tenets.

"The Lost Tomb of Christ," which the Discovery Channel will run on March 4, argues that 10 ancient ossuaries _ small caskets used to store bones _ discovered in a suburb of Jerusalem in 1980 may have contained the bones of Jesus and his family, according to a press release issued by the Discovery Channel.
One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son. And the very fact that Jesus had an ossuary would contradict the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven.
Most Christians believe Jesus' body spent three days at the site of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem's Old City. The burial site identified in Cameron's documentary is in a southern Jerusalem neighborhood nowhere near the church.
In 1996, when the BBC aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.
"They just want to get money for it," Kloner said.
The claims have raised the ire of Christian leaders in the Holy Land.
"The historical, religious and archaeological evidence show that the place where Christ was buried is the Church of the Resurrection," said Attallah Hana, a Greek Orthodox clergyman in Jerusalem. The documentary, he said, "contradicts the religious principles and the historic and spiritual principles that we hold tightly to."
Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypothesis holds little weight.
"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," Pfann said. "But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."
"How possible is it?" Pfann said. "On a scale of one through 10 _ 10 being completely possible _ it's probably a one, maybe a one and a half."
Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun."
Kloner also said the filmmakers' assertions are false.
"It was an ordinary middle-class Jerusalem burial cave," Kloner said. "The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time."
Archaeologists also balk at the filmmaker's claim that the James Ossuary _ the center of a famous antiquities fraud in Israel _ might have originated from the same cave. In 2005, Israel charged five suspects with forgery in connection with the infamous bone box.
"I don't think the James Ossuary came from the same cave," said Dan Bahat, an archaeologist at Bar-Ilan University. "If it were found there, the man who made the forgery would have taken something better. He would have taken Jesus."
Although the documentary makers claim to have found the tomb of Jesus, the British Broadcasting Corporation beat them to the punch by 11 years. Osnat Goaz, a spokeswoman for the Israeli government agency responsible for archaeology, declined to comment before the documentary was aired.
 
For you. You cannot know or even claim to know what MY path is supposed to be. And how about all those christians faiths that claim any other christian faith is wrong and you will only get to god if you follow their particular brand?

They are not real Christians. We've been down that road before. :rolleyes1
 


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