Jesus loves you over MK

[Fitswimmer]

How do you know that he doesn't spend his money in other ways to benefit people? I like the message. It's like anything else, if you don't like it, turn away.
BTW, God and Allah are the same, so if someone wants to skywrite that,cool. Buddha,Krishna, I'll take the love from anyone's God.

As I said earlier-I don't know what else he does. I can only judge what I see, which is all any of us can do.

What seems to be escaping many is that we are ALL judging what this fellow is doing. Just because you judge him favorably doesn't mean you aren't judging him. The DIS is a place where we judge all sorts of things, politics, religion, footwear fashion...and we ALL have the same right to make those judgements.

I can honestly say that my reaction would be the same no matter what someone was writing in the sky. No matter if the message was religious, political or whether I agreed with it or not-the first thing would be "wow, that must cost a lot of money" and then I'd be moving on to my next ADR or attraction. That's also why I think it's a waste of money, because I think the majority of theme park guests are viewing it the same way and not giving it more than 2 seconds of thought. If I was going to spend that kind of money, I'd want to leave more of a lasting impression.

 

[DISUNC]

Every day lately, around 10am, a plane flys over the Magic Kingdom and spells "Jesus Loves you!"

Anyone have any idea who is behind this? This has to cost a pretty penny to do every day!

Was it written in LIMEGREEN?

 

[Sir Ron]

We were married outside at the Shades of Green. THe only thing he wrote that day was a smiley face. There's a nice pic of my wife walking down the aisle with her father and this smiley face in the air above them. Everybody thought it was photoshop. hahaha

 

[Buckalew11]

As I said earlier-I don't know what else he does. I can only judge what I see, which is all any of us can do.

What seems to be escaping many is that we are ALL judging what this fellow is doing. Just because you judge him favorably doesn't mean you aren't judging him. The DIS is a place where we judge all sorts of things, politics, religion, footwear fashion...and we ALL have the same right to make those judgements.

I can honestly say that my reaction would be the same no matter what someone was writing in the sky. No matter if the message was religious, political or whether I agreed with it or not-the first thing would be "wow, that must cost a lot of money" and then I'd be moving on to my next ADR or attraction. That's also why I think it's a waste of money, because I think the majority of theme park guests are viewing it the same way and not giving it more than 2 seconds of thought. If I was going to spend that kind of money, I'd want to leave more of a lasting impression.

Well, I think we all "judge" everyday. Clearly, we do on the DIS--proof in the typing. Judging is not wrong...just be prepared to judged the same way---that is Biblical.

I do not care what is written in the sky as long as it is a positive message. Allah, God, Mickey Mouse, whatever. Just do not put hate words up there. There is enough hate in this world.

I am sure it is expensive and maybe a waste of money. However, he obviously has the $$ to do this and who knows what else he gives his money too. Could it be spent better, I think so but...
So could my money, right? I could be feeding a lot of hungry people in this world with the $$ I spend at WDW each trip. If we all decided to give that 'extra" money to the poor, the world would be a better place I feel sure of it. But we take our extra money and spend it on a vacation at WDW--thisguy spends his money writing in the sky. So, why should we feel like it is OK to say what he should do with his money? Same could be said to us.

 

[smartestnumber5]

Is it possible that someone in the viewing area might be depressed, considering suicide, contemplating divorce, terminally ill, mourning a lost loved one, etc., & this message might be exactly what they need at the time?

Does it also follow that if just one person is hurt by it, then he shouldn't be doing it?

Isn't it just as possible that the message is having bad results? Suppose there's someone who is terminally ill and isn't sure they can believe in God anymore because how could God possibly be good if this horrible thing is happening to them. So s/he prefers not to think about it and tries to just spend his/her last days being happy with his/her family. And then they see that message and all those feelings of anger and sadness and that's how they spend their last few days.

If we're just talking possibility, things could go either way.



I think we might have seen the beginnings of a smiley face a few weeks ago at Disney--it was circles and I couldn't figure out what it was supposed to be. We just and figured "another Christian who thinks the whole world needs to be preached too--as if the part of the U.S. population who isn't Christian haven't heard plenty about Jesus and had every chance to believe in/worship Him if they want."

If he were really looking for to get the most benefit for his buck perhaps things like, "Wear your seatbelt," "Don't drink and drive," "Perform daily breast self-exams," "Are you male and over 50? Have you had your annual prostate exam?" "Donate to charity" would be good choices.

But whatever, it's his money and his time. He has every right to write almost any message he wants in the sky and I have every right to think badly of him for it.

 

[720L]

I think each one of us is given a "gift" from God. This gift he gives us is the way he wants us to preach his word. Maybe you have a beautiful singing voice--to sing in church. Maybe you are good with kids--teach SUnday school. Maybe you are a good cook--cook for lonely/poor or elderly people. This guy can write messages in the sky and can afford to do it. Maybe one day somebody will be really down on life and happens to look in the sky and it will change his life and he will accept God into his heart. It sounds far fetched, but I think it could happen.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Does it also follow that if just one person is hurt by it, then he shouldn't be doing it?

Isn't it just as possible that the message is having bad results? Suppose there's someone who is terminally ill and isn't sure they can believe in God anymore because how could God possibly be good if this horrible thing is happening to them. So s/he prefers not to think about it and tries to just spend his/her last days being happy with his/her family. And then they see that message and all those feelings of anger and sadness and that's how they spend their last few days.

If we're just talking possibility, things could go either way.



I think we might have seen the beginnings of a smiley face a few weeks ago at Disney--it was circles and I couldn't figure out what it was supposed to be. We just and figured "another Christian who thinks the whole world needs to be preached too--as if the part of the U.S. population who isn't Christian haven't heard plenty about Jesus and had every chance to believe in/worship Him if they want."

If he were really looking for to get the most benefit for his buck perhaps things like, "Wear your seatbelt," "Don't drink and drive," "Perform daily breast self-exams," "Are you male and over 50? Have you had your annual prostate exam?" "Donate to charity" would be good choices.

But whatever, it's his money and his time. He has every right to write almost any message he wants in the sky and I have every right to think badly of him for it.

You raise a good point. If it's true that he should be supported if he only "saves" one person, then it should also be true that he should NOT be supported if he only hurts one person.

 

[Buckalew11]

Does it also follow that if just one person is hurt by it, then he shouldn't be doing it?

Isn't it just as possible that the message is having bad results? Suppose there's someone who is terminally ill and isn't sure they can believe in God anymore because how could God possibly be good if this horrible thing is happening to them. So s/he prefers not to think about it and tries to just spend his/her last days being happy with his/her family. And then they see that message and all those feelings of anger and sadness and that's how they spend their last few days.

If we're just talking possibility, things could go either way.



I think we might have seen the beginnings of a smiley face a few weeks ago at Disney--it was circles and I couldn't figure out what it was supposed to be. We just and figured "another Christian who thinks the whole world needs to be preached too--as if the part of the U.S. population who isn't Christian haven't heard plenty about Jesus and had every chance to believe in/worship Him if they want."

If he were really looking for to get the most benefit for his buck perhaps things like, "Wear your seatbelt," "Don't drink and drive," "Perform daily breast self-exams," "Are you male and over 50? Have you had your annual prostate exam?" "Donate to charity" would be good choices.

But whatever, it's his money and his time. He has every right to write almost any message he wants in the sky and I have every right to think badly of him for it.

Sometimes, a reminder that even though bad things are happening in your life that God loves you is what you may need to hear or "see". I find it a stretch that because someone is terminally ill that seeing the words "God loves you" would cause them more pain. I could see if it said other things that it might be upsetting but surely people who are terminally ill know death is a part of life and just because they are sick does not mean God does not love them. God didn't cause the sickness--believers in God and non-believers both get sick and die.

I think a positive message that God loves can't be a bad thing and I think most non-believers in God are probably OK with that being written as opposed to "Repent now" or something similar. Most non-believers seem to be pretty open-minded, respectful people, imho. They may finding it annoying but really, I doubt they are truly put off by it.

Writing God loves you in the air is hardly "preaching at" someone. Knowing God loves you is a comforting thought for many and has nothing to do with believeing in Jesus as the savior of the world. It just isn't about a Christian preaching or showing "the way" to non-believers of Jesus. It is proclaiming God's love to all.

Those suggested messages are great ones! However, to most Christians, in the end, whether you wear a seat belt or do self breast exams or whatever is not the end message the world may need. It would be something like "are you right with God?" and that would be offensive to most, I think. For many Christians, the most important thing any(every) person can do while here is get their life straight with the Creator. And the message "God loves You" is far less offensive than asking that question.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Sometimes, a reminder that even though bad things are happening in your life that God loves you is what you may need to hear or "see". I find it a stretch that because someone is terminally ill that seeing the words "God loves you" would cause them more pain. I could see if it said other things that it might be upsetting but surely people who are terminally ill know death is a part of life and just because they are sick does not mean God does not love them. God didn't cause the sickness--believers in God and non-believers both get sick and die.

I think a positive message that God loves can't be a bad thing and I think most non-believers in God are probably OK with that being written as opposed to "Repent now" or something similar. Most non-believers seem to be pretty open-minded, respectful people, imho. They may finding it annoying but really, I doubt they are truly put off by it.

Writing God loves you in the air is hardly "preaching at" someone. Knowing God loves you is a comforting thought for many and has nothing to do with believeing in Jesus as the savior of the world. It just isn't about a Christian preaching or showing "the way" to non-believers of Jesus. It is proclaiming God's love to all.

Those suggested messages are great ones! However, to most Christians, in the end, whether you wear a seat belt or do self breast exams or whatever is not the end message the world may need. It would be something like "are you right with God?" and that would be offensive to most, I think. For many Christians, the most important thing any(every) person can do while here is get their life straight with the Creator. And the message "God loves You" is far less offensive than asking that question.

Now see if I looked up in the sky and saw God Loves You I would be far more likely to smile than if I saw Jesus loves you... He just excluded everyone but Christians with that statement. I recognize that may not be his intent at all,but me as a non-believer in Jesus feels immediately excluded

 

[Fitswimmer]

Sometimes, a reminder that even though bad things are happening in your life that God loves you is what you may need to hear or "see". I find it a stretch that because someone is terminally ill that seeing the words "God loves you" would cause them more pain. I could see if it said other things that it might be upsetting but surely people who are terminally ill know death is a part of life and just because they are sick does not mean God does not love them. God didn't cause the sickness--believers in God and non-believers both get sick and die.

I think a positive message that God loves can't be a bad thing and I think most non-believers in God are probably OK with that being written as opposed to "Repent now" or something similar. Most non-believers seem to be pretty open-minded, respectful people, imho. They may finding it annoying but really, I doubt they are truly put off by it.

Writing God loves you in the air is hardly "preaching at" someone. Knowing God loves you is a comforting thought for many and has nothing to do with believeing in Jesus as the savior of the world. It just isn't about a Christian preaching or showing "the way" to non-believers of Jesus. It is proclaiming God's love to all.

Those suggested messages are great ones! However, to most Christians, in the end, whether you wear a seat belt or do self breast exams or whatever is not the end message the world may need. It would be something like "are you right with God?" and that would be offensive to most, I think. For many Christians, the most important thing any(every) person can do while here is get their life straight with the Creator. And the message "God loves You" is far less offensive than asking that question.

True as well-but what about the point that to some people "Jesus loves you" is not an innocuous statement. It may be offensive, it might even bring up hurtful feelings. I know people who have had VERY negative experiences with Christian organizations and Christian people-and a message about how much Jesus loves them is only going to bring back those hurt feelings. Why should their pain be less important than the same one person who might feel positively? Sure, in those cases Jesus didn't cause the pain, people did but the association is still there for them.

I'm still interested in the logic of how one person's salvation makes it ok, but one person's offense or pain doesn't make it NOT ok.

 

[Buckalew11]

Now see if I looked up in the sky and saw God Loves You I would be far more likely to smile than if I saw Jesus loves you... He just excluded everyone but Christians with that statement. I recognize that may not be his intent at all,but me as a non-believer in Jesus feels immediately excluded

You know what? You are right. And I just realized he is writing Jesus, isn't he? As a Christian, it is completely understandable why he does this but I really was thinking the message was God loves you. (the two are the same to me, of course, so it just slipped by me) Sorry for the mix-up.I think if it was a remoinder that God loves all it would be seen as a lot less offensive to many (as Jenny states).

I was wondering in my last post above why I had so much to say about this topic when it is not something I really care much about when at WDW. I hardly ever look up to see it or if I do, I rarely ever catch the whole message. however, I do realize it is Jesus he writes.

 

[Principessa Alba]

True as well-but what about the point that to some people "Jesus loves you" is not an innocuous statement. It may be offensive, it might even bring up hurtful feelings. I know people who have had VERY negative experiences with Christian organizations and Christian people-and a message about how much Jesus loves them is only going to bring back those hurt feelings. Why should their pain be less important than the same one person who might feel positively? Sure, in those cases Jesus didn't cause the pain, people did but the association is still there for them.

I'm still interested in the logic of how one person's salvation makes it ok, but one person's offense or pain doesn't make it NOT ok.

How is it different than an advertisment? If I got upset about every billboard I ever saw that offended me I'd be in a pickle. I think if this guy's skywriting offends you (and I don't mean you personally Fitwimmer) you have some deeper problems that are your own problem. If this is such a trauma, I'm not sure how you get along on other day to day dilemmas.

 

[JennyMominRI]

You know what? You are right. And I just realized he is writing Jesus, isn't he? As a Christian, it is completely understandable why he does this but I really was thinking the message was God loves you. (the two are the same to me, of course, so it just slipped by me) Sorry for the mix-up.I think if it was a remoinder that God loves all it would be seen as a lot less offensive to many (as Jenny states).

I was wondering in my last post above why I had so much to say about this topic when it is not something I really care much about when at WDW. I hardly ever look up to see it or if I do, I rarely ever catch the whole message. however, I do realize it is Jesus he writes.

Welll don't get me wrong, I'm not offended by this man at all.. He has the right to do what he wants, and you know what, if it gives comfort to some Christians or makes a Christian that's having a bad day smile, well good for him.. He just could make a lot more people smile by using the term God instead.. At least there would be some attempt at inclusion.. Honestly, it's that fact that he uses the name *Jesus* that makes if feel more like a conversion attempt than the desire to make people feel loved by G-d.. He must know that by using Jesus he is making people feel excluded.
Maybe his intention is strictly to reach people who are already Christian.

 

[Buckalew11]

I'm still interested in the logic of how one person's salvation makes it ok, but one person's offense or pain doesn't make it NOT ok.

My thoughts are that people are always offended by something. You can never please everyone. I do think if his message was God loves you instead of Jesus loves you that people might feel more tolerant. Someone could write Mickey mouse loves you up there and someone would be offended though--they might not like MM so much--they may be a Winni the Pooh fan and get their nose out of joint cause he writes MM instead of Winnie the Pooh. Really, people are always offended by something.

 

[Buckalew11]

Maybe his intention is strictly to reach people who are already Christian.

Could be but I doubt it. Most Christians think that the people need Jesus. So, if that is his case, then he is trying to reach out to people and send that message and not just the message of God's love in general. Let's face it, God only has 3 letters, jesus has 5, it should be quicker and easier to write God.

 

[addicted_to_WDW]

If this is such a trauma, I'm not sure how you get along on other day to day dilemmas.

It's not traumatic, but you know what? When I enter WDW I am entering a fantasy world. I don't want to be bombarded with religious propaganda while I'm there any more then I'd want to be watching CNN and news coverage of Iraq.

I'm trying to get away from it all at WDW. Wasn't that Walt's point? The Jesus plane guy gets a big from me.

 

[Fitswimmer]

How is it different than an advertisment? If I got upset about every billboard I ever saw that offended me I'd be in a pickle. I think if this guy's skywriting offends you (and I don't mean you personally Fitwimmer) you have some deeper problems that are your own problem. If this is such a trauma, I'm not sure how you get along on other day to day dilemmas.

You're right, it is an ad- but what happens when an advertisement is deemed offensive?

Remember the Super Bowl Snickers ad where the 2 guys ended up "kissing" because they were both eating the same Snickers bar?? It was only shown that one time because there were protests about the content. People took offense that the message was saying that two men kissing was something "icky". Now, according to my swimming partner that works at M&M Mars, they actually got more positive comments on it than negative ones, but they pulled the ad anyway because of the minority that found it offensive. The company chose to protect the feelings of the minority.

As I've made pretty clear on the thread-I think the ad is waste of money that I think about for 2 seconds when I see it. What keeps me involved in the discussion is the exploration of the different attitudes about it.

 

[Principessa Alba]

You're right, it is an ad- but what happens when an advertisement is deemed offensive?

Remember the Super Bowl Snickers ad where the 2 guys ended up "kissing" because they were both eating the same Snickers bar?? It was only shown that one time because there were protests about the content. People took offense that the message was saying that two men kissing was something "icky". Now, according to my swimming partner that works at M&M Mars, they actually got more positive comments on it than negative ones, but they pulled the ad anyway because of the minority that found it offensive. The company chose to protect the feelings of the minority.

That was the company's choice though. If they had chosen to keep running the ad they wouldn't have been breaking the law, and frankly, the people that didn't like it would just have to survive somehow.

If an ad, even if it is for Jesus, isn't breaking any laws, people who squack about it are just calling for censorship, IMO, and that's not good.

 

[Principessa Alba]

It's not traumatic, but you know what? When I enter WDW I am entering a fantasy world. I don't want to be bombarded with religious propaganda while I'm there any more then I'd want to be watching CNN and news coverage of Iraq.

I'm trying to get away from it all at WDW. Wasn't that Walt's point? The Jesus plane guy gets a big from me.

Then you better cover your eyes going down Main Street. I've some tattoos and tshirts that would really ruin your day.

 

[Gupsmom]

Originally Posted by LakeAriel
If it is legal to do then absolutely anyone can.....I still find it offensive and I am Christian. Not everyone is, nor needs to be Christian.

I'm a Christian too, and I think it's a waste of money. I can see how it would annoy non-Christians, and I certainly doubt he's creating any converts with it.

"oh, gee Harriet..look at that in the sky! Jesus loves me! I need to find a minister right away and get baptized! Let's go right now!!"

First. I am a christian. I am not a religious nut, by any means. I believe in God, but I don't run around trying to convert everyone and/or trying to proclaim how holy I am. In some ways that is a fault of mine (the witnessing part, not the holy part). I should be more willing...that doesn't require you to be obnoxious but just to share your faith.

That being said...your response is confusing to me. The man is not shoving religion down anyone's throat. He is just using his own unique way to witness his faith to a group of people. He isn't ranting craziness. He's simply saying that Jesus love You. As a Christian, we should all be willing to say that without feeling uneasy. As I said, I find that to be a flaw in myself. The real question should not be Why is that nut saying/wrting that? It should be why aren't I saying it.

Serously...what's offensive. With everything that's out there for people to see/read, this is offensive. Not that cursing scribbled on a bus seat, or a bathroom wall. If a non-Christian reads it they can either ignore it or think about it. The guy isn't causing them any real grief....and they have ever right to skywrite their beliefs if they are so moved.

Jess

PS...if I looked up and read, "there is no god." I would just look away. If my kids asked about it, I'd explain that not everyone believes in God. We do and that's a wonderful thing. If someone wrote, "Allah Loves you." again, I would read it and keep walking. iId tell my kids that there are different religions. Some people believe in Allah just like we believe in god. What's the big deal.