Jesus loves you over MK

[JennyMominRI]

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I also don't understand why folks are saying that saying "Jesus" in the message might be not inclusive enough and hence offensive, but saying "God" is inclusive and hence not offensive . So by changing "Jesus" to "God" it seems that Muslims and Jews can be included. But what about everybody else? Obviously atheists, agnostics, unitarian universalists, people who are "spiritual" but don't believe in a higher being can't be included if we take "God" literally. I don't know how Buddhists or Hindus or Wiccans or Pagans take the word "God," but from the very sketchy knowledge I have of those religions, the it seems the literal meaning of "God" does not really seem to capture what practitioners of those religions believe in. (For instance, since "God" is singular, how could it possibly capture what a polytheist believes in? To include these views one would have to say "The Diety(ies) love you.")

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and your absolutely right about that, which is why I think(hope) i said more inclusive?

You could say the *Divine * loves you too, but then people would wonder why Bette Middler was skywriting.

 

[smartestnumber5]

Exactly. I still want to know why the one person who might be "saved" is more important than those who will be offended. For the sake of that one possible salvation incident, everyone else who might be offended or hurt should just tough it out. Why isn't it the other way around? Why isn't the person who may be offended or hurt that matters?

Yeah I think it usually goes the other way around in many aspects of life. My brother is college-aged and still has the teenage rebel attitude . He likes to wear t-shirts he know will offend people. Once in awhile there are t-shirts that are actually funny, must mostly he picks them based on their offense level--you know, ones about what he did with your daughter last night, ones about men being the boss of women, anti-religion, etc. Some of them like the woman one he doesn't even believe in, but he wheres for the effect .

Anyway, my entire family can just at most of the t-shirts, but sometimes they're just too much--especially for the more sensitive members of the family like my grandmother and aunt. My grandfather died last month and at one point as my grandfather was dying he showed up at the hospital wearing a shirt that not so subtly referred to him being involved in a sex act with "your daughter". My mother saw it and was like, "What is wrong with you?" We weren't sure that my aunt and grandmother would actually have understood what the shirt was saying, but my mom taped a napkin over the message anyway. Sure my brother knows that people with his dirty sense of humor will get a laugh out of his shirt and maybe that'll make their day a little better, but even if that's so, what about all of the people who will be disgusted or offended? In that case I think it's clear that concern about those who will be offended trumps caring about the laughter you might cause for the people who like the shirt.

(Not that I mean to compare a religious message to a dirty joke--just talking about the offense issue.)

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

How do you know he is not feeding the poor too? No one knows who this guy is or what his charitable donations are so lets not assume this is all he does. I am sure you are aware of the old saying when it comes to assuming.

Amen.

Sounds like some people are being ....... judgmental.

Jesus said to preach the Gospel to the poor -- and to all the nations.

 

[OFFTONEVERLAND1]

Nobody has assumed that he is or isn't doing anything else. Whether he is doing ALL of that or not, it's pretty clear that he could be doing more feeding of the hungry and all that were he not spending $$ on the silly plane.

It seems to me that on page 6 post #89 Lake Ariel is doing just that by her comment.

 

[iluvdisnee]

I think its wonderful! I am a Christian and only wish I had the gumption to share the love of the Lord in such a bold way! Here are some pics I've taken of the famous Skywriting!

Taken while at Pop Century Near the Lake

Taken while in Norway at Epcot

 

[LakeAriel]

Originally Posted by LakeAriel
If it is legal to do then absolutely anyone can.....I still find it offensive and I am Christian. Not everyone is, nor needs to be Christian.



First. I am a christian. I am not a religious nut, by any means. I believe in God, but I don't run around trying to convert everyone and/or trying to proclaim how holy I am. In some ways that is a fault of mine (the witnessing part, not the holy part). I should be more willing...that doesn't require you to be obnoxious but just to share your faith.

That being said...your response is confusing to me. The man is not shoving religion down anyone's throat. He is just using his own unique way to witness his faith to a group of people. He isn't ranting craziness. He's simply saying that Jesus love You. As a Christian, we should all be willing to say that without feeling uneasy. As I said, I find that to be a flaw in myself. The real question should not be Why is that nut saying/wrting that? It should be why aren't I saying it.

Serously...what's offensive. With everything that's out there for people to see/read, this is offensive. Not that cursing scribbled on a bus seat, or a bathroom wall. If a non-Christian reads it they can either ignore it or think about it. The guy isn't causing them any real grief....and they have ever right to skywrite their beliefs if they are so moved.

Jess

PS...if I looked up and read, "there is no god." I would just look away. If my kids asked about it, I'd explain that not everyone believes in God. We do and that's a wonderful thing. If someone wrote, "Allah Loves you." again, I would read it and keep walking. iId tell my kids that there are different religions. Some people believe in Allah just like we believe in god. What's the big deal.

He is shoving it down peoples throats. He is sky writing..that is his whole point to send the message to as many thousands as possible..He is not Jesus.
Just the way you said some people believe in Allah like we believe in God..Allah is God to millions.

 

[babieemelly]

I think the skywriting is ridiculous. We saw it back in August and it made us all laugh. To me, religion should be personal and something that is within one's self. Having to skywrite God and Jesus over Disney World makes this man seem like a complete radical, and someone who has nothing better to do. Looking up at some random skywriting isn't going to convert or change anyone's faith. I'm Jewish and don't believe in Jesus, and seeing a big ol' Jesus written over Disney World certainly isn't going to change my beliefs. But that's just me.

And isn't there a whole 'nother thread about people being offended by others saying or writing God's name in vain? Doesn't plastering it across the sky count?

 

[jimmiej]

Exactly. I still want to know why the one person who might be "saved" is more important than those who will be offended. For the sake of that one possible salvation incident, everyone else who might be offended or hurt should just tough it out. Why isn't it the other way around? Why isn't the person who may be offended or hurt that matters?

I'm shocked you don't know the answer to your own question! Isn't the possibility of one more person spending eternity in heaven (being saved) worth the price of someone being offended? Jesus was quite offensive to many in his earthly life & still is today.

Matthew 10

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Amen.

Sounds like some people are being ....... judgmental.

Jesus said to preach the Gospel to the poor -- and to all the nations.

AS I've said repeatedly on this thread: We are ALL judging him. You are judging that he's doing a wonderful thing and it agrees with the way you read the NT.

I always think first of the Greatest Commandment according to Jesus: "Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, your whole soul and your mind-and love your neighbor as yourself" So, I wouldn't act to my neighbor in a way that I would not want him to act towards me. As a Christian, if my actions cause offense to others, I've turned them away and perhaps they may forever think badly of Christ and of all Christians because of my actions. That's not something that I believe fits in with preaching the Gospel to all nations.

"In all things, preach the Gospel. When necessary, use words." St Francis of Assisi

 

[LakeAriel]

I'm shocked you don't know the answer to your own question! Isn't the possibility of one more person spending eternity in heaven (being saved) worth the price of someone being offended? Jesus was quite offensive to many in his earthly life & still is today.

Matthew 10

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw.

There you have it. It is this arrogant notion that if you do not believe in Jesus you will not go to heaven. It sickens me.

 

[Nikel]

I'm shocked you don't know the answer to your own question! Isn't the possibility of one more person spending eternity in heaven (being saved) worth the price of someone being offended? Jesus was quite offensive to many in his earthly life & still is today.

Matthew 10

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw.

That presumes that we all believe in Jesus and heaven. It amuses me greatly when Christians use the Bible to prove their point, esp when dealing with those of other religions. I know I just quit listening when Bible quotes started getting spouted off.

 

[eclectics]

I'm shocked you don't know the answer to your own question! Isn't the possibility of one more person spending eternity in heaven (being saved) worth the price of someone being offended? Jesus was quite offensive to many in his earthly life & still is today.

Missionaryism is a large part of your religion. We get it. You don't seem to get the fact that it's offensive to some. So, who's views are more important? Yours, or the people you offend? That's what it boils down to. You seem to feel, because you are more or less commanded to do so by God, that yours is. And, if Christianity were the law of the land, you would be right. But it isn't, so the "saving souls" excuse doesn't fly with me. If you get into people's faces with your religious views, you should be prepared to take all the flack some will throw back to you. And while it may not be against the law to preach your religious convictions, sometimes backing off is the polite thing to do.

 

[Fitswimmer]

There you have it. It is this arrogant notion that if you do not believe in Jesus you will not go to heaven. It sickens me.

It's also ONE verse. I can play the verse game too, but it's tiring.

Here's an interesting tidbit: In the King James Version of the Bible The word "hate" is used 83 times. The word "love" is used 281.


I take that to mean that God is more interested in my loving others than condemning them.

 

[babieemelly]

Missionaryism is a large part of your religion. We get it. You don't seem to get the fact that it's offensive to some. So, who's views are more important? Yours, or the people you offend? That's what it boils down to. You seem to feel, because you are more or less commanded to do so by God, that yours is. And, if Christianity were the law of the land, you would be right. But it isn't, so the "saving souls" excuse doesn't fly with me. If you get into people's faces with your religious views, you should be prepared to take all the flack some will throw back to you. And while it may not be against the law to preach your religious convictions, sometimes backing off is the polite thing to do.

I don't like getting involved in religious debates because they almost always get ugly, but I just had to this time. I completely agree with you. I don't like when people think their ideas and beliefs are above others just because they're of a religious nature.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Missionaryism is a large part of your religion. We get it. You don't seem to get the fact that it's offensive to some. So, who's views are more important? Yours, or the people you offend? That's what it boils down to. You seem to feel, because you are more or less commanded to do so by God, that yours is. And, if Christianity were the law of the land, you would be right. But it isn't, so the "saving souls" excuse doesn't fly with me. If you get into people's faces with your religious views, you should be prepared to take all the flack some will throw back to you. And while it may not be against the law to preach your religious convictions, sometimes backing off is the polite thing to do.

And that is leaving out the most glaring part of this whole thing. If the object of the game is to "win the most souls for Christ", then wouldn't you want to avoid pushing people away??? Good Grief, I've been a Christian since my teens and I find people shoving words in my face annoying.

I agree that the command exists to spread the Gospel, but the command doesn't say that you have to be offensive, arrogant or just plain ignorant of other's feelings while you do it!

 

[babieemelly]

I'm shocked you don't know the answer to your own question! Isn't the possibility of one more person spending eternity in heaven (being saved) worth the price of someone being offended?

I just have to shake my head at those who are saying that seeing Jesus Loves You or God Loves You (above Disney World, of all places) will "save" others by converting non-believers into Christians. I whole-heartedly believe in God, but I don't believe in Jesus. I treat others kindly and with respect, I help those in need, I take care of those around me, I've never hurt a soul in my life, I work hard and contribute to society. I'd say I'm a pretty good person. But I don't believe in Jesus so I'm not going to Heaven, right? And saying that I need "saving", especially by a random skywriter, is completely offensive in and of itself. I've always found that the radicals preaching of God's love and acceptance in the most extreme of ways are always the first ones to cast other's off in hate for their differing beliefs or opinions. Isn't religion supposed to be about acceptance?

 

[carrie s]

Heres the link to his web site

http://www.turntojesus.net/home.html

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

That presumes that we all believe in Jesus and heaven. It amuses me greatly when Christians use the Bible to prove their point, esp when dealing with those of other religions. I know I just quit listening when Bible quotes started getting spouted off.

Of course Christains use the Bible to prove their point. Why wouldn't we?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

It's also ONE verse. I can play the verse game too, but it's tiring.

Here's an interesting tidbit: In the King James Version of the Bible The word "hate" is used 83 times. The word "love" is used 281.


I take that to mean that God is more interested in my loving others than condemning them.

God condemns no one. We are the ones who accept or reject Him. If we reject His Son, we reject the Father.

 

[LakeAriel]

Heres the link to his web site

http://www.turntojesus.net/home.html

according to that God is sending the messages..but he is sane..


God loves you so much that He is writing love letters to you in the sky. His love for you is so big that it could not be put on a piece of paper or on a TV screen. God doesn't want you to miss his message, so He is writing it just for you on the sky that He created. His message is this: He Loves You! He wants to do great things for you, both in this life and in the next.