Jesus loves you over MK

If an ad, even if it is for Jesus, isn't breaking any laws, people who squack about it are just calling for censorship, IMO, and that's not good.

Absolutely no one on this thread has called for censorship. No one has said that anyone should stop the guy from doing what he's doing (well I think one person was concerned about whether he was in the no fly zone--but other than that, nothing.)

I think you are confusing censorship (calling for the govt or some other authority to prevent the guy from spreading his message) and plain old disapproval (saying that the message is offensive and think there are reasons of politeness and morality which count in favor of him not spreading the message over WDW).
 
Serously...what's offensive. With everything that's out there for people to see/read, this is offensive. Not that cursing scribbled on a bus seat, or a bathroom wall. If a non-Christian reads it they can either ignore it or think about it. The guy isn't causing them any real grief....and they have ever right to skywrite their beliefs if they are so moved.

Jess

Well said. It's like bumper stickers. If people can have calvin peeing on things I can have one that says Jesus loves you if I want.
 
If an ad, even if it is for Jesus, isn't breaking any laws, people who squack about it are just calling for censorship, IMO, and that's not good.

Can you show me the people who called for it to be censored?
Even those who are *offended* by it don't neccessarily want him stopped by law...We don't have the right NOT to be offended
 
Absolutely no one on this thread has called for censorship. No one has said that anyone should stop the guy from doing what he's doing (well I think one person was concerned about whether he was in the no fly zone--but other than that, nothing.)

I think you are confusing censorship (calling for the govt or some other authority to prevent the guy from spreading his message) and plain old disapproval (saying that the message is offensive and think there are reasons of politeness and morality which count in favor of him not spreading the message over WDW).

Oh I misunderstood. Feel free to disapprove. Just don't understand the need to get all in a tizzy. I disapprove of the McDonald's french fry kiosk at the MK but I'm not letting it ruin the magic for me.
 

Now see if I looked up in the sky and saw God Loves You I would be far more likely to smile than if I saw Jesus loves you... He just excluded everyone but Christians with that statement. I recognize that may not be his intent at all,but me as a non-believer in Jesus feels immediately excluded

Both times I saw him this summer he wrote God loves you.
 
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Oh I misunderstood. Feel free to disapprove. Just don't understand the need to get all in a tizzy. I disapprove of the McDonald's french fry kiosk at the MK but I'm not letting it ruin the magic for me.

I don't recall anyone saying the Jesus plane ruined their day, either. You can not like something and discuss without it having had a huge impact on your enjoyment of the park.

I do think that this thread proves that the Jesus plane has more of a negative impact than the Jesus guy thinks.

I've never eating McDonald's food while at WDW.
 
Oh I misunderstood. Feel free to disapprove. Just don't understand the need to get all in a tizzy. I disapprove of the McDonald's french fry kiosk at the MK but I'm not letting it ruin the magic for me.

My son always wants to get some fries, and I just don't get it..You're at Disney World..Live a little
 
If an ad, even if it is for Jesus, isn't breaking any laws, people who squack about it are just calling for censorship, IMO, and that's not good.

Speaking out against someone automatically means being pro censoring? Since when?

I would defend with all my energy the Phelps clan's right to spew their hatred. I fully believe they should be able to exercise their freedom of speech. But I can and will use those same rights to speak out against them.
 
This is what upsets me too. All that money..Practice what you preach. If you want to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, feed the poor. don't blow smoke over Orlando.



How do you know he is not feeding the poor too? No one knows who this guy is or what his charitable donations are so lets not assume this is all he does. I am sure you are aware of the old saying when it comes to assuming.
 
This is what comes from not reading previous posts. Go back and read what I've written twice, that I've misunderstood.

Well those posts weren't there when I starting typing. Then the phone rang, so it was several minutes before I finished. Excuse me. Geez.
 
How do you know he is not feeding the poor too? No one knows who this guy is or what his charitable donations are so lets not assume this is all he does. I am sure you are aware of the old saying when it comes to assuming.

Nobody has assumed that he is or isn't doing anything else. Whether he is doing ALL of that or not, it's pretty clear that he could be doing more feeding of the hungry and all that were he not spending $$ on the silly plane.
 
Sometimes, a reminder that even though bad things are happening in your life that God loves you is what you may need to hear or "see". I find it a stretch that because someone is terminally ill that seeing the words "God loves you" would cause them more pain. I could see if it said other things that it might be upsetting but surely people who are terminally ill know death is a part of life and just because they are sick does not mean God does not love them. God didn't cause the sickness--believers in God and non-believers both get sick and die.

I think a positive message that God loves can't be a bad thing and I think most non-believers in God are probably OK with that being written as opposed to "Repent now" or something similar. Most non-believers seem to be pretty open-minded, respectful people, imho. They may finding it annoying but really, I doubt they are truly put off by it.

Writing God loves you in the air is hardly "preaching at" someone. Knowing God loves you is a comforting thought for many and has nothing to do with believeing in Jesus as the savior of the world. It just isn't about a Christian preaching or showing "the way" to non-believers of Jesus. It is proclaiming God's love to all.

Those suggested messages are great ones! However, to most Christians, in the end, whether you wear a seat belt or do self breast exams or whatever is not the end message the world may need. It would be something like "are you right with God?" and that would be offensive to most, I think. For many Christians, the most important thing any(every) person can do while here is get their life straight with the Creator. And the message "God loves You" is far less offensive than asking that question.

I don't think it's a stretch at all to think that a message about Jesus or God loving you could hurt someone who is questioning religion/who is angry at God/who thinks that God is punishing them. My mother had breast cancer a few years ago and she struggled with religion (well she was already struggling for other reasons with the Church) because she couldn't help but feel like God was punishing her because she'd stopped going to church. Now luckily she was cancer free after a double mastectomy--but what if she hadn't been so lucky? Maybe she would have made peace with God or just stopped believing altogether. But maybe she would have stayed in the place she was in--feeling like God did this horrible thing to her. I can't see how a person struggling with that could be helped by seeing a message that God loves them--I would think that would just make them scream, "Then why did He give me cancer!?"


I also don't understand why folks are saying that saying "Jesus" in the message might be not inclusive enough and hence offensive, but saying "God" is inclusive and hence not offensive :confused:. So by changing "Jesus" to "God" it seems that Muslims and Jews can be included. But what about everybody else? Obviously atheists, agnostics, unitarian universalists, people who are "spiritual" but don't believe in a higher being can't be included if we take "God" literally. I don't know how Buddhists or Hindus or Wiccans or Pagans take the word "God," but from the very sketchy knowledge I have of those religions, the it seems the literal meaning of "God" does not really seem to capture what practitioners of those religions believe in. (For instance, since "God" is singular, how could it possibly capture what a polytheist believes in? To include these views one would have to say "The Diety(ies) love you.")

I teach a philosophy course where we look at arguments about the existence of God (these arguments all come from medieval Christian philosophers, so they really are only aimed at God as understood in Christianity/Islam/Judaism--hence we use the term "God"). I always try to be very precise about the wording I'm using because generally "God" is understood to refer to a being who is all-powerful, all-good, all-knowing, and is the ultimate creator and sustainer of the universe. Sometimes we are talking more generally and don't mean to only pick out the being described by Christianity/Islam/Judaism and then I usually say higher power or higher being--by which I mean just some supernatural being or force (which probably still leaves some conceptions of spirituality--I'm not sure it captures, for instance, the view that "God is love"--though really I'm not sure I actually understand what that views means anyway :confused:).

If the skywriter really meant "God" to include all possible conceptions of a higher power, then the claim that "God loves you" won't make sense for some conceptions and just utterly false for some higher powers. The ancient Greek gods, for instance, were plainly not loving and never claimed to be. Those who are deists believe in a higher being who doesn't get involved in human affairs and may even be uninterested in humans and human affairs, in which case its hard to make sense of the claim that "God loves us." I think if the great diversity in religious/spiritual beliefs is acknowledged, then it's hard to see how even the most general message about a higher being/power could actually be inclusive.

In any case, I find it very hard to believe that a person who spends a lot of time and money writing messages about God or Jesus in the sky does so without any thoughts toward converting others or preaching to them--that he is just interested in brightening up the days of people who already believe. I don't buy it. I wouldn't buy it if it were an atheist who wrote "There is no God" either. And that's the part that bothers me. (That's not to say it ruins my day or anything. I see the message--I think it's a conversion effort. I roll my eyes. We move onto the next ride.)
 
Absolutely no one on this thread has called for censorship. No one has said that anyone should stop the guy from doing what he's doing (well I think one person was concerned about whether he was in the no fly zone--but other than that, nothing.)

I think you are confusing censorship (calling for the govt or some other authority to prevent the guy from spreading his message) and plain old disapproval (saying that the message is offensive and think there are reasons of politeness and morality which count in favor of him not spreading the message over WDW).

Exactly. I still want to know why the one person who might be "saved" is more important than those who will be offended. For the sake of that one possible salvation incident, everyone else who might be offended or hurt should just tough it out. Why isn't it the other way around? Why isn't the person who may be offended or hurt that matters?
 





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