It's Obama/Biden!

[Magic Mom]

Hey====Jobama was my word!!!!I should sue!

But Jobama puts JB first...shouldn't BO be first? Like Obiden or OJama Those are lame aren't they?

 

[yeartolate]

Naw, JoBama - it is an age before beauty thing.

 

[MossMan]

I have to disagree and say that there is no way you can say Carter was better than Bush, asbolutely none. Carter only made one term, so you have to figure, at least half of Bush's presidency, which was equal to Carters entire service, was better if he was voted back into office again.

As for the Obama/Carter connection, If you look at both of their core Liberal Values, and their Ideas on foreign policy, they look strikingly similar.

I was actually being quite generous in my original post. Carter was incompetent. Bush is twice as incompetent as Carter was. Plus Bush served two terms in office. That means Bush did 4 times more damage to American than Carter did.

The NoBama crowd would like you to believe that only Democrat Presidents can be incompetent. We all know how silly this contention is. Its like saying only tall people can tell the truth. It is obviously possible for Republicans and Democrats to be incompetent. There isn't is a "special magical force-field" that protects Republicans from incompetence. Just the same way there are no Unicorns.

So, it is established that Bush has done 4 times more damage to America than Carter. We also know that McCain would like to continue the reign of Bush's incompetence over America.

If that's what you want, then go to it. I prefer competent government which is why I would choose neither Bush nor Carter. To me they are both a couple of Carters.

If McCain wants to run on a platform that he is just like one of the Carters, then I will have to vote for the guy who is opposed to the most recent version of the Carters. I say don't vote for Carter. Vote for Obama instead.

 

[Master Mason]

So, it is established that Bush has done 4 times more damage to America than Carter. We also know that McCain would like to continue the reign of Bush's incompetence over America.

No that is your opinion, which your entitled to, but it is no way whatsoever "established". Nor do most of us know or believe that McCain wishes to "contiue the reign of Bush".

so if you would like to write your opinion, please feel free, but do not attepmt to tell me what I believe, which you did when you used the term "we"

 

[charlie,nj]

from www.usatoday.com

Hmmmmmmm.....CHANGE!!! (you can't believe in)

Biden's son a registered lobbyist since 2001

By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY

DENVER — As it stands now, Sen. Joe Biden's younger son, Hunter Biden, wouldn't be allowed to contribute money to his father's vice presidential effort.

That's because Barack Obama's campaign has a policy of not accepting donations from federal lobbyists, and Hunter Biden, 38, is one. He has been a registered lobbyist since 2001, and these days he represents nine clients, including five universities and two biotechnology firms, Senate records show.

The law firm he co-founded, Oldaker Biden & Belair, was paid $1.8 million to lobby Congress in the first half of this year, according to public records compiled by the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. Biden's clients paid the firm $470,000, the records show.

David Wade, spokesman for the Obama-Biden campaign, said in an e-mail that Hunter Biden never lobbies his father. Hunter Biden does not share in fees from clients on whose behalf Sen. Biden has been lobbied by other firm partners and employees, Wade said.

It is not illegal or unusual for a member of Congress to have a relative in the lobbying profession. At least 24 House members and 31 senators have spouses, children or other relatives who are registered as lobbyists, according to research by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a liberal watchdog group.

With the selection of his father as Obama's running mate, Hunter Biden's role stands out because Obama is campaigning on a platform of reducing the influence of lobbyists and special interests.

In 2006, Hunter Biden severed ties with a lobbying-only subsidiary of his law firm called The National Group, Wade said. That was done to comply with upcoming ethics rules requiring members of Congress to certify that their relatives do not immediately benefit from spending or tax provisions they recommend, Wade said.

Sen. Biden voted for the 2007 ethics law, which requires senators to prohibit their staff from having contact with the senator's immediate family members who are lobbyists.

The National Group was paid $1.7 million during the first half of this year to lobby for clients that include the University of Delaware, which has reaped federal money through congressional spending requests sponsored by Biden. In the fiscal year that ended in September 2007, the most recent period for which data are available, the university won three budget "earmarks" co-sponsored by Biden worth $5 million, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a non-partisan watchdog group.

The Oldaker Biden & Belair firm separately has been paid $208,000 for legal services by Biden's two campaign funds since 2005, according to election records compiled by CQMoneyline.

The firm's head, William Oldaker, is a longtime Biden supporter who helped launch Biden's political action committee, federal election records show.







.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Just the same way there are no Unicorns.

 

[wvjules]

Wow, lots of hotheads on this thread.

 

[crcormier]

Wow, lots of hotheads on this thread.

But no unicorns.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

from www.usatoday.com

Hmmmmmmm.....CHANGE!!! (you can't believe in)

Biden's son a registered lobbyist since 2001

By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY

DENVER — As it stands now, Sen. Joe Biden's younger son, Hunter Biden, wouldn't be allowed to contribute money to his father's vice presidential effort.

That's because Barack Obama's campaign has a policy of not accepting donations from federal lobbyists, and Hunter Biden, 38, is one. He has been a registered lobbyist since 2001, and these days he represents nine clients, including five universities and two biotechnology firms, Senate records show.

The law firm he co-founded, Oldaker Biden & Belair, was paid $1.8 million to lobby Congress in the first half of this year, according to public records compiled by the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. Biden's clients paid the firm $470,000, the records show.

David Wade, spokesman for the Obama-Biden campaign, said in an e-mail that Hunter Biden never lobbies his father. Hunter Biden does not share in fees from clients on whose behalf Sen. Biden has been lobbied by other firm partners and employees, Wade said.

It is not illegal or unusual for a member of Congress to have a relative in the lobbying profession. At least 24 House members and 31 senators have spouses, children or other relatives who are registered as lobbyists, according to research by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a liberal watchdog group.

With the selection of his father as Obama's running mate, Hunter Biden's role stands out because Obama is campaigning on a platform of reducing the influence of lobbyists and special interests.

In 2006, Hunter Biden severed ties with a lobbying-only subsidiary of his law firm called The National Group, Wade said. That was done to comply with upcoming ethics rules requiring members of Congress to certify that their relatives do not immediately benefit from spending or tax provisions they recommend, Wade said.

Sen. Biden voted for the 2007 ethics law, which requires senators to prohibit their staff from having contact with the senator's immediate family members who are lobbyists.

The National Group was paid $1.7 million during the first half of this year to lobby for clients that include the University of Delaware, which has reaped federal money through congressional spending requests sponsored by Biden. In the fiscal year that ended in September 2007, the most recent period for which data are available, the university won three budget "earmarks" co-sponsored by Biden worth $5 million, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a non-partisan watchdog group.

The Oldaker Biden & Belair firm separately has been paid $208,000 for legal services by Biden's two campaign funds since 2005, according to election records compiled by CQMoneyline.

The firm's head, William Oldaker, is a longtime Biden supporter who helped launch Biden's political action committee, federal election records show.







.

Charlie, your post reminds me of a tag someone put on Biden long ago (D-MBNA .... as in the Democratic Senator representing MBNA bank) I'm a bit fuzzy on this so bear with me...IIRC Hunter Biden was hired by MBNA right out of college and paid an exhorbitant consulting fee; Biden sold his house to an MBNA veep for an inflated sum. All this was back before MBNA was acquired by BoA.

Aw shucks, I'd forgotten all that stuff. Now you've made me want to go dig it up.

 

[duckfan78]

I was actually being quite generous in my original post. Carter was incompetent. Bush is twice as incompetent as Carter was. Plus Bush served two terms in office. That means Bush did 4 times more damage to American than Carter did.

The NoBama crowd would like you to believe that only Democrat Presidents can be incompetent. We all know how silly this contention is. Its like saying only tall people can tell the truth. It is obviously possible for Republicans and Democrats to be incompetent. There isn't is a "special magical force-field" that protects Republicans from incompetence. Just the same way there are no Unicorns.

So, it is established that Bush has done 4 times more damage to America than Carter. We also know that McCain would like to continue the reign of Bush's incompetence over America.

If that's what you want, then go to it. I prefer competent government which is why I would choose neither Bush nor Carter. To me they are both a couple of Carters.

If McCain wants to run on a platform that he is just like one of the Carters, then I will have to vote for the guy who is opposed to the most recent version of the Carters. I say don't vote for Carter. Vote for Obama instead.

You are entitled to your opinion. I do find it hard to believe that any president can be incompetent. It takes a heck of a lot to be president.
So whether you believe it or not, neither Bush nor Carter were incompetent. They might have not done such a great job, as I believe was the case with Carter, and as you believe with Bush.

 

[agentpleakley]

So whether you believe it or not, neither Bush nor Carter were incompetent. They might have not done such a great job, as I believe was the case with Carter, and as you believe with Bush.

But, geez, without Jimmy Carter, we would never have been able to experience

 

[profdsny]

I have to disagree and say that there is no way you can say Carter was better than Bush, asbolutely none. Carter only made one term, so you have to figure, at least half of Bush's presidency, which was equal to Carters entire service, was better if he was voted back into office again.

As for the Obama/Carter connection, If you look at both of their core Liberal Values, and their Ideas on foreign policy, they look strikingly similar.

Really? Give specific examples of how Carter was so bad. Not just opinion.

 

[Master Mason]

Really? Give specific examples of how Carter was so bad. Not just opinion.

20% interest rates
The Gas Crisis
The Hostage stuff in Iran
Dismantaling our Military to make us weak
unemployment at or nearing double digits, I did not go look up exact number but it was very high.

 

[profdsny]

20% interest rates
The Gas Crisis
The Hostage stuff in Iran
Dismantaling our Military to make us weak
unemployment at or nearing double digits, I did not go look up exact number but it was very high.

Maybe look up some stuff first then get back. Don't just quote stats.

 

[DawnCt1]

20% interest rates
The Gas Crisis
The Hostage stuff in Iran
Dismantaling our Military to make us weak
unemployment at or nearing double digits, I did not go look up exact number but it was very high.

Nothing can make me more happy that to have Jimmy Carter at the convention tonight. Here are a list of just some of his accomplishments;


President Jimmy Carter invited Robert Mugabe to the White House in 1980 and fully supported this dictator's rise to power in Rhodesia. Moderate black Bishop Abel Muzorewa had been elected to the post of prime minister. However, President Carter with the support of the world press succeeded in declaring the election null and void. Mugabe, an avowed Marxist, was elected in a second election. The totals of the Zimbabwe disaster under Mugabe are still being tallied: 70 percent unemployment, a total dictatorship, the displacing of productive white farmers and the resulting destruction of productive farms, an exodus of three million Zimbabweans from the country.

Jimmy Carter has shown a special dedication to the cause of leftist dictators in Central America. He used the full power of the office to undermine and set the stage for the overthrow of the duly elected Anastasio Somosa in Nicaragua, to be replaced by the Marxist Sandanista Daniel Ortega. No matter that the Somosa election had been certified by the OAS. He continues to offer moral support for Marxist dictators Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez.

The Iran hostage crisis occurred under Jimmy Carter's watch. From Nov. 4, 1979 until Jan. 20, 1981 some 66 Americans were taken hostage and held in the American Embassy in Teheran. They were released within hours of President Ronald Reagan's swearing in ceremony. Just prior to his inauguration, President Reagan was asked if perhaps the captors should wait until he became president so as to make a better deal for the captives release. Reagan replied, "That would be foolish."

Ex-President Jimmy Carter has been instrumental in the rise to power of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Hugo Chavez was saved from recall by the voters in Venezuela in 2004 with Carter "monitoring" the election. The election was suspicious on many fronts. The exit polls conducted by an independent New York poling firm declared one half hour before the polls closed that Chavez had been defeated. When the official results were announced, Chavez was declared the winner by nearly the exact opposite percentages as the independent poll had determined. Jimmy Carter certified the Chavez victory anyway. Chavez has shown himself to be a continual hater of the United States.

One of the most serious threats to global security is the nuclear threat posed by Marxist dictator Kim Jung Il of North Korea. In 1994, without governmental authority, Jimmy Carter went to North Korea and brokered a deal with Kim Jung Il that was supposed to keep that rogue state from attaining nuclear weapons. Jimmy's "negotiation" called for the United States to provide the North Koreans with $4 billion worth of light water reactors and $100 million in oil in exchange for a promise not to develop weapons plus assurances that inspectors would be allowed in. On Aug. 28, 2003 North Korea announced that it possessed nuclear weapons.
Perhaps the most egregious and far reaching of the Jimmy Carter failures was his bringing down of the Shah of Iran in 1979, to be replaced by radical Muslim cleric Ayatollah Khomeini. The history of Iran is such that a secular government friendly to both the West and their trading partners along the ancient trade routes, such as India and China, had been an important stabilizing element in Mid-east politics for centuries. Jimmy Carter pressured the Shah, a longtime friend of the United States, to leave Iran. Then he denied him asylum and medical treatment. At the same time he supported the fundamentalist Mullahs who opposed the Shah. A religious revolution followed and the rise of Muslim fundamentalism had begun in the Middle East. The terrorism and overall unrest that plagues the world today can be properly traced to this specific failure of the Jimmy Carter presidency.

It is popular in some circles to blame others such as the United States, or Israel, or George Bush for the instability and radicalism in the Middle East while overlooking the role that Jimmy Carter played in the current situation. But it is a fact of history that Jimmy Carter played a key role in creating the two most important threats to global security today, namely Iran and North Korea.

 

[Master Mason]

Maybe look up some stuff first then get back. Don't just quote stats.

I don't have to look up most of it, I lived it, I just don't remember off the top of my head what the unemployment was.

 

[cruellababy]

Well, I can't believe anyone would vote for either one of them- the latter added to give the former some kind of "experience" platform? Unbelievable- don't any of you watch the news? Try Glenn Beck for an hour. Both choices are RIDICULOUS- with McCain being the lesser of the the 2 idiot evils.

 

[MossMan]

You are entitled to your opinion. I do find it hard to believe that any president can be incompetent. It takes a heck of a lot to be president.
So whether you believe it or not, neither Bush nor Carter were incompetent. They might have not done such a great job, as I believe was the case with Carter, and as you believe with Bush.

Its as if people care more about the party they support than whether this country has competent leadership. I think most people are like myself. We may have a political point of view, but that point of view does not interfere with our ability to recognize obvious facts. Just because someone is from Ohio does not mean they can't recognize that Orlando is generally warmer than Columbus.

You believe Carter was incompetent and I agree with your contention. But the very skills that allow me to recognize Carter's incompetence also allows me to recognize those traits in Bush.

Imagine a doctor. Lets say the doctor examines a Democrat and concludes the Democrat has an infection. So the Doctor prescribes medicine to fix the infection. Then the doctor examines a Republican using exactly the same techniques and skills he used to examine the Democrat. The doctor finds exactly the same symptoms in Republican as he does in the Democrat. But since the Doctor is a Republican himself, he tells his Republican patient that he is healthy and needs no medicine.

That is not the doctor I would want looking after me. But this is exactly what so many people do when it comes to their chosen political parties. Even on anonymous message boards, they will contend that everything their candidate does is right while everything the other candidate does is wrong.

I often read wonderful political analysis of the other guys candidate on this board. But this analytical ability is never applied to their own candidate.

Democrats need to finally admit Carter was a failure. He was a nice guy, but a failure as a president. And they need to figure why he was such a failure.

Republicans need to man-up when it comes to Bush. Republicans can keep acting like Democrats and pretend a horrible president was somehow a good one. But in so doing Republican are going to be demolished the same way Democrats were demolished after Carter. If you pretend hard enough this may seem like reality.

But then I may be wrong. Maybe Bush will leave the White House for the last time on the back of a turquoise unicorn raised by all the children who were not left behind. This can only happen, though, if the children can keep the the unicorn hidden from Cheney who would surely slaughter it in an effort to find the secrets of eternal life.

 

[LuvDuke]

Well, I can't believe anyone would vote for either one of them- the latter added to give the former some kind of "experience" platform? Unbelievable- don't any of you watch the news? Try Glenn Beck for an hour. Both choices are RIDICULOUS- with McCain being the lesser of the the 2 idiot evils.

Glenn Beck?

You mean this Glenn Beck:

CNN's Beck to first-ever Muslim congressman: "[W]hat I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies' "

http://mediamatters.org/items/200611150004

That tells most people everything they had to know about that moron.

And Glenn Beck is not the news. He's a commentator and nothing more.

 

[duckfan78]

Really? Give specific examples of how Carter was so bad. Not just opinion.

Hostages in Iran.

Terrible economic state.

Had a lame policy with the USSR.

I could keep going if you like.