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[Jhondy]

It's funny how we all seem to ignore two important principles here. I should be able to leave the Hope Diamond on the kitchen table If I wanted to.

1. NOBODY has any business in my home without my permission or my presence.

2. NOBODY should be on staff that would steal anything (a utopian goal and I get that). Certainly not in HOUSEKEEPING. To the point of random lie detector tests if necessary, and anyone reasonably suspected of thievery should be terminated with bias immediately. Certainly after multiple inquiries.

I take a lot of expensive electronics with me necessary to my business and my pleasure.. I have them in my home here also. I don't lock them up. There isn't room, and you're not going to stop a thief anyway. I locked them up anyway. I locked the doors. See my point?

You may disagree with me, and that's fine. But I won't argue with you about it, because the two things above are reasonable and prudent and follow my rights as a homeowner.

a hotel room does not equal a home nor does a time share. Do some case law research and you will see they have different levels of privacy expectations.

second, lie detector tests are not reliable or accurate hence the reason they are not allowed to be used in criminal trials. Not to mention having a lie detector test predict future behavior would be even more unreliable than it is at deciphering lies about past behavior.

however, regardless of your level of expectation of privacy, things shouldn’t be stolen from a hotel room by anyone.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

a hotel room does not equal a home nor does a time share. Do some case law research and you will see they have different levels of privacy expectations.

second, lie detector tests are not reliable or accurate hence the reason they are not allowed to be used in criminal trials. Not to mention having a lie detector test predict future behavior would be even more unreliable than it is at deciphering lies about past behavior.

however, regardless of your level of expectation of privacy, things shouldn’t be stolen from a hotel room by anyone.

Thanks. I've looked case law as best I know how, but all I Can find is thousands upon thousands of timeshare law related to purchase and liability. I can't find anything related to entitlement to privacy in a timeshare.

 

[Jhondy]

Thanks. I've looked case law as best I know how, but all I Can find is thousands upon thousands of timeshare law related to purchase and liability. I can't find anything related to entitlement to privacy in a timeshare.

see my answer on your other post. I think your are confusing constitutional rights with rights as a tenant or occupant of a room

 

[Maistre Gracey]

DVC members do own a portion of the resort, but to call it your home is quite a stretch.

 

[CarolynFH]

see my answer on your other post. I think your are confusing constitutional rights with rights as a tenant or occupant of a room

Do timeshares in respect to privacy and access come under the same laws as hotels e.g. does Disney have the rights of an innkeeper even though the DVC owners are owners in/members of a timeshare condominium association?

 

[Sammie]

I am so sorry this happened but a great reminder to everyone that these rooms are not really our homes, they are hotel rooms that at any time can be entered by others. I never travel with anything I can't replace. With medications I always secure them. If the safe in room is not large enough I ask at the desk.
Hopefully you did speak to an on duty manager in person, if not do that. Also email member services.

 

[Jhondy]

Do timeshares in respect to privacy and access come under the same laws as hotels e.g. does Disney have the rights of an innkeeper even though the DVC owners are owners in/members of a timeshare condominium association?

idk the answer to that. My knowledge of rights of an innkeeper is limited and I’ve never done the research into timeshares and the law. (My focus is criminal law so other areas of law that I have are more general knowledge)

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

It's a deeded property when I'm in it. I pay taxes on it. It is MORE than just what they call it, and they don't get to change what is when it is needed to suit a particular purpose. Agree to disagree.

It is good that you continued to seek out information and have discovered the actuality of what you agreed to with your purchase and with your use of a room.

 

[bumbershoot]

Thanks. I've looked case law as best I know how, but all I Can find is thousands upon thousands of timeshare law related to purchase and liability. I can't find anything related to entitlement to privacy in a timeshare.

I would google "innkeeper laws" and "timeshare".

My mom and stepdad owned an interesting timeshare up in the Adirondacks. They owned it outright, but there was a property manager onsite that would rent out units if the owners wanted. By being a part of that timeshare situation, they knew that the property managers could come in. And, of course, the people renting out their unit.

 

[eandt]

Thanks. I've looked case law as best I know how, but all I Can find is thousands upon thousands of timeshare law related to purchase and liability. I can't find anything related to entitlement to privacy in a timeshare.

I think some may be confused on this "security check" issue. Basically you agree to allowing entry under certain circumstances (cleaning/maintenance/"security" check) when you sign the terms of occupancy. If you don't agree to their terms you can decline however they will then decline to contract their services to provide a room.

Constitutionally you have the same rights at a hotel and any other place where you would have a reasonable expectation of privacy as you would in your own home. When we are in the room we lock the door and then we decide if we allow entry or advise them to return at a later time. If they are barging in without a knock I would be having a discussion with management among other things.

 

[bumbershoot]

I think some may be confused on this "security check" issue. ...If they are barging in without a knock I would be having a discussion with management.

Early on they often were. Not sure if that has changed.

 

[eandt]

Early on they often were. Not sure if that

Very dangerous thing to do, if true.

 

[CBMom01]

This is an interesting legal exercise, I'll give you that. Practically speaking, however, the management company has the power and will enter if they feel it's required.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

This is an interesting legal exercise, I'll give you that. Practically speaking, however, the management company has the power and will enter if they feel it's required.

Apparently it is not an interesting legal exercise, at least not according to a ex hotel attorney in another thread. While trying to find out whether it was legal or not, I clearly stated my opinion that it should not be. I let that thread die because there didn't seem to be separation between my making an argument as to why it should not be as opposed to what it is. I still don't think it should be. Those who give up liberty and privacy under the guise of gaining security, deserve neither freedom or privacy (Obviously coined from Franklin's famous quote.) in my opinion. Whether is is given up to government or another individual or individuals matters not. The net loss is the same.

I don't want anybody where I live unless they are family or I invite them. I am entitled to feel that way. It is an inalienable right should I choose to exercise it. Disney enters the rooms under the pretense of security because of the crap in Vegas. I get that and I knew that. Millions and millions of hotel guests use hotel rooms all over the world every day, and that was the only time as far as I remember, something like this has ever happened. I suspect it would have happened anyway. What I know is that if nobody comes in my room, there's nobody in there to steal anything.

 

[CBMom01]

Apparently it is not an interesting legal exercise, at least not according to a ex hotel attorney in another thread. While trying to find out whether it was legal or not, I clearly stated my opinion that it should not be. I let that thread die because there didn't seem to be separation between my making an argument as to why it should not be as opposed to what it is. I still don't think it should be. Those who give up liberty and privacy under the guise of gaining security, deserve neither freedom or privacy (Obviously coined from Franklin's famous quote.) in my opinion. Whether is is given up to government or another individual or individuals matters not. The net loss is the same.

I don't want anybody where I live unless they are family or I invite them. I am entitled to feel that way. It is an inalienable right should I choose to exercise it. Disney enters the rooms under the pretense of security because of the crap in Vegas. I get that and I knew that. Millions and millions of hotel guests use hotel rooms all over the world every day, and that was the only time as far as I remember, something like this has ever happened. I suspect it would have happened anyway. What I know is that if nobody comes in my room, there's nobody in there to steal anything.

Yeah, that's a good quote. Fun fact: He said it in defense of the legislature's freedom to raise taxes as needed.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Yeah, that's a good quote. Fun fact: He said it in defense of the legislature's freedom to raise taxes as needed.

Fun fact #2. I said in interest of my beliefs.

 

[chicagodisneyguy]

I guess I don't get the big deal. I think if I was that worried about my possessions being stolen somewhere I either A) wouldn't bring them or B) wouldn't stay at that location. At DVC I've never really even thought about my things being stolen. But at the same time I'm not leaving my Rolex on the kitchen table when we're at the parks.

I really have no problem with the checks in the current format. If they were doing 2am surprise checks that would be one thing. But during the day I don't mind.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I guess I don't get the big deal. I think if I was that worried about my possessions being stolen somewhere I either A) wouldn't bring them or B) wouldn't stay at that location. At DVC I've never really even thought about my things being stolen. But at the same time I'm not leaving my Rolex on the kitchen table when we're at the parks.

I really have no problem with the checks in the current format. If they were doing 2am surprise checks that would be one thing. But during the day I don't mind.

Probably because you haven't had them knock on the door in the afternoon when you were taking a nap. Repeatedly, and insisting that they have to 'get it done.' And yes, it has happened to me. At Kidani for my last two trips. Please help me understand what somebody's gonna gun down from a savannah room at Kidani. A giraffe??

 

[DL1WDW2]

Perhaps they have other issues to inspect.
When they looked behind the TV I thought maybe they think I am illegally hooked up to get free cable … but seriously Disney probably wants to verify drugs and child abduction and weapons , etc. Some guests probably sneak animals in the room…I doubt Disney will take issue with that but it might be noted in case housekeeping or next guest smells something strange upon entrance. Then it would be a backup to verify that expensive added cleaning fee.

 

[Sandisw]

Do timeshares in respect to privacy and access come under the same laws as hotels e.g. does Disney have the rights of an innkeeper even though the DVC owners are owners in/members of a timeshare condominium association?

IIRC, there are terms in the POS that discuss this to a degree. I do not think these are considered condos in the same sense as condo people buy for homes. The FL statues to have different sections for that. So, I do not think one can say they have the right to keep Disney out of the room to empty trash each day. The rules for housekeeping do not appear to be considered a material part of the contract and thus, can be modified if needed.

Now, I do agree that someone should not expect a knock at the door late at night.