It has become personal...

[SonicLogic]

Originally posted by mickey1010
Whoa...Sonic. Back off a bit.

I hardly think Micca was tearing into Leonard Maltin. He brings up some valid points and since when should someone be shot down for sharing their opinion?? If that were the case, it wouldn't be much of a posting board.

I am pretty familiar with Leonard Maltin and his knowledge of all things Disney is definitely well beyond any of us (or at least me!), but, I tend to agree with Micca on this as well.

Leonard Maltin is a well known and respected film critic and film historian. What is Micca? What are you? You may endorse Micca's opinion but IMO that is foolish. If you or Micca desire to disagree with Mr. Maltin, then show some facts to back up your opinion(s). Otherwise, you have no basis nor the credentials to do anything other than write on a bathroom wall. Don't you understand that?

 

[mickey1010]

Leonard Maltin is a well known and respected film critic and film historian.

As I said in my last post, I am well aware of "who" Leonard Maltin is and very much enjoy his commentary.

But now that you mention it...let's see. He's a well known and respected film critic and film historian, so please explain to me why he is privy to proprietary Walt Disney Company information regarding the release of the 3rd installment of the Walt Disney Treasures series?

I am sure he has many sources within the Disney company, so that will most likely be your answer to my question. That being said, could it actually be possible that the sources that Mr. Maltin use may not know the actual reason?

What is Micca? What are you?

Well, I guess I can't confirm this regarding Micca, but I would imagine Micca is a human, as am I.

You may endorse Micca's opinion but IMO that is foolish. If you or Micca desire to disagree with Mr. Maltin, then show some facts to back up your opinion(s).

You are definitely entitled to your opinion and I'm glad you have chosen to express it so kindly in this forum. I think the article that was noted at the beginning of this thread by Jim Hill is a good "basis" for my opinion. Jim Hill must have a number of internal sources as well, and while it's possible they are misinformed, I think that his work merits a strong basis for validity of his findings regarding this matter.

Otherwise, you have no basis nor the credentials to do anything other than write on a bathroom wall. Don't you understand that?

Well, next time a bathroom stall gets to be "graced" by my presence, I will surely think of what you have said. Since you deem it the appropriate place for my opinions on this issue, I will surely remember to arm myself with writing utensil and compose away. I just hope the next person in there is a Disney fan.


Sooo.....we are essentially at a point where the basis for your opinion is an email from Leonard Maltin posted in a Jim Hill article and the basis for my opinion (since I didn't call the separate divisions of Disney myself), is an article by Jim Hill.

I guess it has to be done...the only way we can settle this is for the two of them to duke it out.

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by manning
This is Eisner's weakness.

Negotiation 101

Put your emotions in check and get the other person as emotional as possible. He will then start to make mistakes. He's getting emotional.

Negotiation 201

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Both sides are failing this one.

 

[DancingBear]

They've gone to the mattresses.

 

[SonicLogic]

Originally posted by mickey1010
As I said in my last post, I am well aware of "who" Leonard Maltin is and very much enjoy his commentary.

But now that you mention it...let's see. He's a well known and respected film critic and film historian, so please explain to me why he is privy to proprietary Walt Disney Company information regarding the release of the 3rd installment of the Walt Disney Treasures series?

Simple. Leonard Maltin is the host of the Walt Disney Treasures collection. Seven volumes have been released so far and Mr. Maltin has been a creative consultant for content material for the previous and the upcoming versions. Forgive me, I have a keen sense of the obvious.

 

[Micca]

Four years and I have finally stirred things up on the Dis

"Human" is one of the nicest things I've been called

I don't know that I expressed opinions so much as I asked questions.

My penmanship sucks. Chances are if I wrote on a bathroom wall, you couldn't read it

For the record: I like and respect Leonard Maltin rather a lot. I don't think it's completely out of the question that he may be influenced by Disney. Who among us isn't? Oops, that may have been an opinion

 

[Jockaroo]

I find this very interesting that tin boxes would delay production for more than 6 months. As an individual who has worked in marketing for nearly 10 years and has extensive dealings with vendors, I think something is fishy--and it isn't Nemo. Disney releases the Treasures in a set number, (i.e. 125,000, 250,000). This is a given from the start. The company who manufactures the DVDs will not (the majority of the time) be the vendor who produces the tin boxes. Think about it, the people who make your computer game or your bottle of perfume will not manufacture the box in which it is packaged. Basically the DVDs will be produced at one location, the tin boxes produced in another location and then both probably shipped to a third site to be assembled.

I have several sets of Treasures and know the tins hold a standard DVD case (with 2 discs). To my knowledge production of excessive numbers of Nemo and Pirates could delay the DVD production, but have nothing to do with the tins. Although tins are individually numbered, this would not require an excessive time to produce these. As each is stamped, a counter would advance the number as the next box passed through production. It is an added step, but nothing that is that earth-shattering. If I had a vendor whose shortage delayed my product 6+ months, I'd have to look elsewhere. It is possible Disney is doing this. But the annoucement of the delay so near the release time and other circumstances is suspicious.

And I do not claim to be a Leonard Maltin expert, but do love his insightful commentary on the Treasures.

 

[freediverdude]

Just because Leonard Maltin is the host of the Disney Treasures series does NOT mean he has access to information about what delayed production of the DVDs or the tins for said series. He is a respected film historian, but unless I hear otherwise, he is NOT an inventory/production consultant.

 

[SonicLogic]

Originally posted by freediverdude
Just because Leonard Maltin is the host of the Disney Treasures series does NOT mean he has access to information about what delayed production of the DVDs or the tins for said series. He is a respected film historian, but unless I hear otherwise, he is NOT an inventory/production consultant.

Mr. Maltin corroborated BVHE. They made the DVD's! If you don't think his version is truthful, then provide some evidence. Jim Hill backed down from this one because he noticed that he had his foot in his mouth. Here's a quote from his December 15, 2003 article:

"Boy, I wish I had better news for you folks. But -- in regard to this whole what-actually-happened-with-Wave-3-of-those-"Disney-Treasures"-DVDs situation which we discussed at length here at JimHillMedia.com last Thursday and Friday -- I haven't been able to find one person at Buena Vista Home Entertainment who's willing to go on the record about this super sensitive issue.
What I HAVE been able to find out so far is this:

BVHE reportedly really WAS having some problems with the vendor that produces all of those tin cases that the "Disney Treasures" DVDs are housed in. Which was why INITIALLY the release of Wave 3 of these highly collectible recording was pushed back from December 2nd til May of next year.

But then -- back in November -- Michael Eisner reportedly was furious with Roy Disney. So much so that he supposedly barred the Chairman of Disney Feature Animation from attending three screenings of work-in-progress versions of new animated features that studio was working on. In addition to allegedly ordering that Roy's name be stricken from the outside of the "Disney Treasures" packaging."

So, all we can definitely say for now is that Leonard Maltin was right in what he said and Jim Hill is still unable to substantiate any of the gossip he has printed (as fact).

 

[freediverdude]

How do you know either Leonard Maltin was correct, or Jim Hill?? The fact is, we don't know. That was my point. Leonard Maltin is not an inventory/production consultant taking care of this issue for Buena Vista Home Entertainment, he is the host only. So he is not necessarily in a position to tell us what happened. He is probably only saying what Disney wants him to say, per his contract regarding this. The fact is, we may not ever know the real truth about this.

 

[SonicLogic]

Originally posted by freediverdude
How do you know either Leonard Maltin was correct, or Jim Hill?? The fact is, we don't know. That was my point. Leonard Maltin is not an inventory/production consultant taking care of this issue for Buena Vista Home Entertainment, he is the host only. So he is not necessarily in a position to tell us what happened. He is probably only saying what Disney wants him to say, per his contract regarding this. The fact is, we may not ever know the real truth about this.

Well, you can believe in conspiracy theories touted by unnamed sources if you so desire. That is your choice. I instead, prefer to look at the statements that have been corroborated by multiple named and reliable sources. It's called evidence.

I'd be more interested if you could produce verified "inventory/production consultant" records concerning this issue instead of gossip.

 

[freediverdude]

Once again, you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm saying that I don't believe either Leonard Maltin OR Jim Hill OR anyone else, period. I am saying that we just plain don't know. Is that now clear enough for you. If I don't believe ANYTHING, must I provide evidence for the so-called "gossip" that you think I believe??? What gossip am I supposed to be believing?? Leonard Maltin's statement is not evidence of the truth either. All I was trying to point out to you is that Leonard Maltin is not a qualified expert for determining why the DVD series is delayed. I don't have my own ideas about what happened, and haven't listened to any gossip.

 

[SonicLogic]

Originally posted by freediverdude
Once again, you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm saying that I don't believe either Leonard Maltin OR Jim Hill OR anyone else, period. I am saying that we just plain don't know. Is that now clear enough for you. If I don't believe ANYTHING, must I provide evidence for the so-called "gossip" that you think I believe??? What gossip am I supposed to be believing?? Leonard Maltin's statement is not evidence of the truth either. All I was trying to point out to you is that Leonard Maltin is not a qualified expert for determining why the DVD series is delayed. I don't have my own ideas about what happened, and haven't listened to any gossip.

So, you don't know, and you don't have your own ideas about what happened. Yet you dispute everyone and everything that has been said about this issue. Based upon your logic then the world must be flat!

 

[freediverdude]

I really don't know where you get your logic, and frankly I'm not going to bother anymore. I think you just like to argue, so start one with someone else.

 

[SonicLogic]

Originally posted by freediverdude
I really don't know where you get your logic, and frankly I'm not going to bother anymore. I think you just like to argue, so start one with someone else. [/QUOTE

Obviously, there was no argument.