Island Tower at Polynesian Villas & Bungalows

[Genie+]

Did Disney make money? Yes they did but they took inventory from the cash side that wasn’t selling and offloaded that inventory and converted the rooms to DVC to do so. Those 4 million points came from the existing longhouses.

It’s taking away cash inventory. Selling DVC also locks in repeating visits. Either somebody has to come use those points or they get to sell it as breakage. Win win. I’m guessing DVC’s worth more than just contract sale price to Disney. Ownership likely increases visits, and maybe helps tap new prospects when owners bring friends and family. DVC adds to brand positivity and relevance.

 

[maui22]

Construction update article...
https://chipandco.com/construction-update-for-dvc-island-tower-576523/

 

[tjkraz]

If I added @wdrl DVCNews sales numbers correctly (July 2010-July 2024), here are the numbers I come up with for each months sales. (I rounded up/down based on .5) NOTE: that's 15 years of data for July and 14 years of data for the other months.

Month	Total Points	Monthly Avg Sales	Ranked by month
January	2,468,100	176,293	3
February	2,123,018	151,644	10
March	2,410,637	172,188	5
April	2,570,796	183,628	1
May	2,247,009	160,501	7
June	2,348,927	167,781	6
July	2,703,434	180,229	2
August	2,432,186	173,728	4
September	2,166,702	154,764	8
October	2,155,008	153,929	9
November	1,840,221	131,444	11
December	1,857,186	132,656	12

If you're trying illustrate which months organically sell the most points, there are a variety of things which should probably be done to normalize the data. For example, removing the early sales bump for any new resort. VGF sold 177k points in April 2022, but by September it fell to just 47k. People weren't waiting until they got a tax refund check to purchase in April...it just happened to be the month DVC decided to start selling.

Same with VDH which sold 0 points in April 2023, 162k in June and 31k in September.

Also, one could argue that all of 2020 should be removed. Sales were quite good in January - March. Not so much the rest of the year.

Incentives also play a role, like the VGF deals last summer that caused it to rise to 180k one month after languishing in the mid 5-figures. IMO, you'd have to massage the data pretty thoroughly to get some sense of when random walk-in purchases actually occurred. Without that, each year is a series of peaks and valleys driven by the quality of incentives, new resort intros, economy, etc. And that's not even getting into the psychology of people thinking "I'm not going to buy Riviera / CFW / VDH until I know what the pricing is for the Poly." Judging by the commentary here, there were a ton of purchases in early 2022 seemingly waylaid as people held out for more details on the Grand Floridian re-introduction.

 

[maui22]

I do still think we will see sales by October 1st…for current members with new members starting a week later.

I can’t remember how far in advance they announced the sale date for VGF but I don’t remember it being too far..a few weeks?

So, still plenty of time.

Based on something I saw from @wdrl BPK sales information was released 3/2/22. Sales to existing members started the next day 3/3/22. New member sales didn't start until 3/31/22 (4 weeks later).

 

[pkrieger2287]

When Will We Learn More About The Polynesian Island Tower? ​

Get the latest scoop on the Polynesian Island Tower, including rumored sales dates, pricing, and what to expect for DVC members!
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[maui22]

If you're trying illustrate which months organically sell the most points, there are a variety of things which should probably be done to normalize the data. For example, removing the early sales bump for any new resort. VGF sold 177k points in April 2022, but by September it fell to just 47k. People weren't waiting until they got a tax refund check to purchase in April...it just happened to be the month DVC decided to start selling.

Same with VDH which sold 0 points in April 2023, 162k in June and 31k in September.

Also, one could argue that all of 2020 should be removed. Sales were quite good in January - March. Not so much the rest of the year.

Incentives also play a role, like the VGF deals last summer that caused it to rise to 180k one month after languishing in the mid 5-figures. IMO, you'd have to massage the data pretty thoroughly to get some sense of when random walk-in purchases actually occurred. Without that, each year is a series of peaks and valleys driven by the quality of incentives, new resort intros, economy, etc. And that's not even getting into the psychology of people thinking "I'm not going to buy Riviera / CFW / VDH until I know what the pricing is for the Poly." Judging by the commentary here, there were a ton of purchases in early 2022 seemingly waylaid as people held out for more details on the Grand Floridian re-introduction.

Agree many factors play a roll.

Personally, I like to think the economy plays the biggest roll, but that's only because DW and I have made decisions to buy when we are comfortable financially. September-October can be a stock market coaster. A month ago (early August 2024), people were posting about being thankful they withdrew money from the market to use for a PVB purchase. Once we get to November/December, some are taking stock profits/losses.

 

[maui22]

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So, you're saying the sales information will come out while you are on your trip.

 

[supercarrie]

Based on something I saw from @wdrl BPK sales information was released 3/2/22. Sales to existing members started the next day 3/3/22. New member sales didn't start until 3/31/22 (4 weeks later).

Looks like they announced the on sale date exactly two weeks in advance. They did the same for VDH and CFW. We didn’t know incentives, but we knew when sales would resume.

https://dvcfan.com/news/new-grand-floridian-dvc-villas-on-sale-march-3rd/

My money is now on Sept 17 for an announcement of an on sale date of Oct 1.

 

[Sandisw]

Based on something I saw from @wdrl BPK sales information was released 3/2/22. Sales to existing members started the next day 3/3/22. New member sales didn't start until 3/31/22 (4 weeks later).

Really? I thought we knew point charts and sales dates before that. Pricing didn’t come out until that day….but the other I think was at least A week?

 

[supercarrie]

Really? I thought we knew point charts and sales dates before that. Pricing didn’t come out until that day….but the other I think was at least A week?

For VGF, we knew the point charts will in advance as they had released the 2023 charts with them included.

https://dvcfan.com/news/2023-points...s-into-new-resort-studios-at-grand-floridian/

For VDH and CFW, the point charts came out with the on sale date (two weeks in advance).

 

[NY Pirate Princess]

$239 with minor discounts is a nonstarter for me. Honestly it's almost a relief at this point.

 

[CastAStone]

Are we are going to have to start referring to this as PVR and PVB? Disney has two separate listings but both include tower rooms.

It’s been listed like that for at least 5 years. BCV and BC are listed separately, BWV and BW are listed separately, etc. Typically if you click the hotel side one it also shows you the DVC room options but not vice-versa.

 

[zavandor]

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I guess this seals the date. All information will drop on September 19th.

 

[pkrieger2287]

I guess this seals the date. All information will drop on September 19th.

Come onnnnnn good airplane WiFi!!!!

 

[maui22]

Reminding everyone of a comparison of when things happened for BPK (days before opening).

• 159 days before opening - the master declaration for BPK was dated 1/12/22 (in the document).
• 123 days (thank you @supercarrie for correcting my information) before opening - points charts were released.
• 109 days before opening (thank you @Sandisw for correcting some information I had wrong a month ago) - sales began to existing members.
• 81 days before opening - sales began to new members.

Comparing to IT@PVB. Including comments to about original PVB because it was the only resort to have a shorter timeline than BPK.

• 137 days before opening - the master declaration for IT@PVB was dated 7/31/24 in the document filed.
• As of 9/5/24 we are 103 days before opening and waiting for the rest of the information.
• If 9/17 is the date of the points charts releasing - it will be 91 days before opening. Comment: that would be better than the 83 days before the original PVB opened.
• If 10/1 is the date points go on sale to existing members, it will be 77 days before opening. Comment: only the original PVB had sales start under 109 days and it was 79 days.
• Original PVB started sales to new members 51 days before opening. That would be 10/27/24.

 

[MartyParty]

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Thanks for getting this update out before your cruise Paul. Me and my DW are heading out this weekend for a Disney Alaskan cruise. Bon voyage!

 

[BrianLo]

VGF moving 2 million in a year and a half was fairly strong, but it took last summer's incentives to really close it out. That's about what Riv has remaining to sell now (~2.2m),

RIV was actually down to 2 million in July due to the requirement for the developer to with-hold 2%.

By the time Poly is actually on sale and with the general delay of contract reporting (further delayed because we often default to DVCNews.com reporting), I suspect the developer should already have under 1.8 left.

While we surely are going to have a lull with Poly being an excellent distractor, I think we're all going to be a bit caught off guard with how quickly RIV sells out. It's definitely why their eye is already moving on to "Reflections".

 

[VGCgroupie]

Pretty sure most points are purchased by new buyers. Spring break is very popular for family trips. (Summer is hot and people can be Grumpy).

We went in April, had I not avoided eye contact while passing the DVC kiosk I likely would have bought that trip.

 

[RuntheMouse]

While we surely are going to have a lull with Poly being an excellent distractor, I think we're all going to be a bit caught off guard with how quickly RIV sells out. It's definitely why their eye is already moving on to "Reflections".

I agree. We would like to add some more direct RIV but don’t need them right now so we are definitely keeping tabs on the estimated sell out date.

Oh and I want Reflections too

 

[maui22]

This article shows some good progress has been made. https://wdwnt.com/2024/09/trees-paint-roofing-dvc-island-tower-polynesian/