Is WDW making a Cars Land or Not ??

[lockedoutlogic]

I think we are more likely to see a star wars themed hotel/dvc before we see a star wars land

Nope...

This came up in the discussions of studios when the Star Wars billion dollar renovation was "green light" and an announcement was "any day". (You know...a year ago?)

There were threads about a marvel hotel at MGM making "complete sense" and "such a draw for 12 year old boys and all their purchasing power"...

Besides it making no sense...it is ignoring what's been going on with their rooms business. No...they don't particularly like the room and dining promotions...no...it's not "their new normal"

There hasn't been enough demand for rooms... The prevailing thought is about an 80% occupancy rate. Which no Hotels will be constructed. They could build the new Graceland for Sci-Fi geeks...but it wouldn't matter if occupancy dipped at other spots... And it would. Every person who booked one of those " boy rooms" of pirates at Caribbean? See ya.

Disney next "hotel" will be something like "Disney's old time america palace of old money: a Disney vacation club resort"

 

[Borishack]

1) What's your source...

http://micechat.com/49401-my-magic-plus-failure/

And before you even try to argue any details in the report isn't accurate, provide specific proof.

 

[rteetz]

http://micechat.com/49401-my-magic-plus-failure/ And before you even try to argue any details in the report isn't accurate, provide specific proof.

okay but where is the proof that this article is 100% absolutely true there's no proof for that either.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

http://micechat.com/49401-my-magic-plus-failure/

And before you even try to argue any details in the report isn't accurate, provide specific proof.

Disney had plans to build "Armageddon land" in
1999 at MGM...based on the worldwide smash hit...the entire backlot and service area would have been transformed into a fully themed asteroid...with Steve bushemi branded lingerie store, "diggers" restaurant and 50 ft statue of Ben Affleck.

That plan is on "indefinite hold" due to budget.

See?

 

[Yellowstonetim]

Disney had plans to build "Armageddon land" in
1999 at MGM...based on the worldwide smash hit...the entire backlot and service area would have been transformed into a fully themed asteroid...with Steve bushemi branded lingerie store, "diggers" restaurant and 50 ft statue of Ben Affleck.

That plan is on "indefinite hold" due to budget.

See?

Wow! And we know this must be true because there is no way to disprove it!

 

[Borishack]

okay but where is the proof that this article is 100% absolutely true there's no proof for that either.

The article doesn't generalize, like most people here do when they imply Disney is or isn't going to do something. It cites specific meetings, dates, who was involved and the subject matter of discussion as well as decisions that were made. To recap:

• Bob Iger and all of Disney’s top executives had a series of meetings and presentations in Orlando in early November of last year, to assess the issues with Magic+ and the ramifications. It was clear those discussions the initiative is way behind schedule and over budget.
• A very unhappy Iger then returned to Burbank in mid November, where told WDI to halt all work on all major projects planned for the American parks, Disneyland Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland.
• There was a follow up meeting with Tom Staggs the following week, where WDI and TDA were told to cancel all of the smaller projects being worked on specifically for Disneyland’s 60th Anniversary.

So let's wait to see if meaningful construction (not just puffy press events showing people with shovels) actually starts on the Avatar project at AK. And let's also see if the speculation of those who keep saying there are going to be announcements about "new attractions" when HS turns 25 is correct or not.

 

[rteetz]

The article doesn't generalize, like most people here do when they imply Disney is or isn't going to do something. It cites specific meetings, dates, who was involved and the subject matter of discussion as well as decisions that were made. To recap: [*]Bob Iger and all of Disney’s top executives had a series of meetings and presentations in Orlando in early November of last year, to assess the issues with Magic+ and the ramifications. It was clear those discussions the initiative is way behind schedule and over budget. [*]A very unhappy Iger then returned to Burbank in mid November, where told WDI to halt all work on all major projects planned for the American parks, Disneyland Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland. [*]There was a follow up meeting with Tom Staggs the following week, where WDI and TDA were told to cancel all of the smaller projects being worked on specifically for Disneyland’s 60th Anniversary. So let's wait to see if meaningful construction (not just puffy press events showing people with shovels) actually starts on the Avatar project at AK. And let's also see if the speculation of those who keep saying there are going to be announcements about "new attractions" when HS turns 25 is correct or not.

Okay but how do I know that Iger in fact put everything on hold I don't the article says that but no where else does anything says that. Avatar is a go if you like or not or if mice chat likes it or not thats a fact jack!

 

[bellenbuzz]

Well, my 2 cents on Carsland is...It would be so great!
But, my family loves all things Pixar, the one in DCA looks so fun & well detailed, and we believe lots of kids & adults would truly enjoy this theme & land !!
We go to WDW to enjoy the sounds, sights, smells, attractions, resorts, water parks, shopping, parades, the dining choices, the fireworks & the get away from our everyday routines !!
We don't think about how much profit Disney is making or all the "business" decisions and board room meetings....
To me...Disney World is magical & makes me happy !

 

[Yellowstonetim]

The article doesn't generalize, like most people here do when they imply Disney is or isn't going to do something. It cites specific meetings, dates, who was involved and the subject matter of discussion as well as decisions that were made. To recap:

• Bob Iger and all of Disney’s top executives had a series of meetings and presentations in Orlando in early November of last year, to assess the issues with Magic+ and the ramifications. It was clear those discussions the initiative is way behind schedule and over budget.
• A very unhappy Iger then returned to Burbank in mid November, where told WDI to halt all work on all major projects planned for the American parks, Disneyland Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland.
• There was a follow up meeting with Tom Staggs the following week, where WDI and TDA were told to cancel all of the smaller projects being worked on specifically for Disneyland’s 60th Anniversary.

So let's wait to see if meaningful construction (not just puffy press events showing people with shovels) actually starts on the Avatar project at AK. And let's also see if the speculation of those who keep saying there are going to be announcements about "new attractions" when HS turns 25 is correct or not.

Just because it is specific doesn't mean its true. In fact it is so specific as to be suspicious. We are supposed to believe someone at Micechat is privy to Iger meetings and all these different inside discussions at the highest level? Yeah right. And I talked to Obama yesterday. I get to keep my insurance. Whatever specifics are specific rumors. From my limited experience and what I have read of others, Micechat is susceptible to false rumors like many blogs and websites are.

Have you ever played that game where people are given a funny story and have to whisper it to the next person and the next. The story gets passed down the line and at the end it always ends up unrecognizable. Generally the story is changed after the first person. That happens a lot in these types of news situations. That is why the bus drivers are always so spot on with their news and predictions. Micechat, too.

Now the ground breaking ceremony and the walls up are a fact.

I haven't heard anybody say there would be an announcement at the 25th anniversary as a fact or reported statement. Just an "I think this is when they'll do it." Big difference.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

The article doesn't generalize, like most people here do when they imply Disney is or isn't going to do something. It cites specific meetings, dates, who was involved and the subject matter of discussion as well as decisions that were made.

All the "specifics" are complete heresay - as it always is when "insiders"
Put things on their cute little sites and podcasts.

I reject all of them. If an "insider"
Breaks something...it's done so at Disney's desire. Rarely if ever does
Something get out that they don't want. The one thing I give TWDC complete credit for is the collection, control, application of PR and information. They are the best. Rare exceptions.

It's not like these blog fools are standing outside of WDI or the Dwarf building and pay the stenographer $10 bucks to spill the beans. Come on.

Generally speaking...if you are entitled to privileged information in a worldwide, Media conglomerate, billion dollar company... You've learned to shut your mouth and aren't into risky chattiness.

You underestimate them when it comes this. It's not like a cop in a random city precinct leaking an IAB investigation to the local news.

This " Iger rage" seems to be far fetched. That doesn't mean he's not peeved at the cost and timelines with the bands in Orlando... But that is pretty much common sense for any executive isn't it? They want things better, early, and under budget. Business 101. Disney rarely if ever delivers that...that's why we don't get very many rides.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

All the "specifics" are complete heresay - as it always is when "insiders"
Put things on their cute little sites and podcasts.

I reject all of them. If an "insider"
Breaks something...it's done so at Disney's desire. Rarely if ever does
Something get out that they don't want. The one thing I give TWDC complete credit for is the collection, control, application of PR and information. They are the best. Rare exceptions.

It's not like these blog fools are standing outside of WDI or the Dwarf building and pay the stenographer $10 bucks to spill the beans. Come on.

Generally speaking...if you are entitled to privileged information in a worldwide, Media conglomerate, billion dollar company... You've learned to shut your mouth and aren't into risky chattiness.

You underestimate them when it comes this. It's not like a cop in a random city precinct leaking an IAB investigation to the local news.

This " Iger rage" seems to be far fetched. That doesn't mean he's not peeved at the cost and timelines with the bands in Orlando... But that is pretty much common sense for any executive isn't it? They want things better, early, and under budget. Business 101. Disney rarely if ever delivers that...that's why we don't get very many rides.

OK, this may be a rare moment: I agree with you completely. In fact, reading over it again, I think I agree with this word-for-word 100%. Well said.

 

[Borishack]

Just because it is specific doesn't mean its true.

And just because you don't like what outside observers report on Disney strategy, that doesn't mean it's false. In fact, to imply the entire report is a fabrication is the biggest stretch we've seen her in a long while.

 

[rteetz]

And just because you don't like what outside observers report on Disney strategy, that doesn't mean it's false. In fact, to imply the entire report is a fabrication is the biggest stretch we've seen her in a long while.

I just understand how you can stand by the article and it's absolutely 100% positively true when there is no physical evidence that all or even some of it is true.

 

[Borishack]

I just understand how you can stand by the article and it's absolutely 100% positively true when there is no physical evidence that all or even some of it is true.

http://http://articles.orlandosenti...131116_1_mymagic-magicbands-walt-disney-world

No evidence?

First, you are therefore implying that Magic+ is on schedule and not over budget. Are you serious ? Again, are you serious? Go ahead and tell us the below report from the Orlando Sentinel confirming issues with Magic+ (which is dated the same period that Miceage reported Disney Management being concerned about Magic+ being delayed and over budget) is incorrect.

http//http://articles.orlandosentin...131116_1_mymagic-magicbands-walt-disney-world

And go ahead and google "Orlando Informer Blog November 27" to access another external source reporting the same attraction cancellation plans Miceage reported due to budget issues from Magic+:

And when you are done, go ahead and deny Magic+ is having issues and without providing any proof whatsoever stating that plans to add Star Wars and/or Cars Land to WDW haven't been cancelled.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

No evidence?

First, you are therefore implying that Magic+ is on schedule and not over budget. Are you serious ? Again, are you serious? Go ahead and tell us the below report from the Orlando Sentinel confirming issues with Magic+ (which is dated the same period that Miceage reported Disney Management being concerned about Magic+ being delayed and over budget) is incorrect.

http//http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-11-16/business/os-disney-mymagic-delayed-20131116_1_mymagic-magicbands-walt-disney-world

And go ahead and google "Orlando Informer Blog November 27" to access another external source reporting the same attraction cancellation plans Miceage reported due to budget issues from Magic+:

And when you are done, go ahead and deny Magic+ is having issues and without providing any proof whatsoever stating that plans to add Star Wars and/or Cars Land to WDW haven't been cancelled.

It is always impossible to prove the negative. Prove Star Wars hasn't been cancelled? Prove Ghosts don't exist! Prove I'm not Iger. See, Ghosts do exist and I'm Iger.

No one has said MM+ is on time and on budget. But the article says far more than that, including in-the-know claims about Iger and high level meetings. The main difference is that something as massive as MM+ is EXPECTED to be late and cost more, this is true of all projects of this size. Any manager of any company is always pushing for early and under budget. Nothing new, nothing special, nothing serious.

And the fact that rumors are shared around news outlets doesn't make them true. There is definitely a grain of truth to the article, but the gist of what they are saying is rumor and highly suspect. They are blowing out of proportion the little truth that is known. This is a classic tactic of conspiracy theories. Fact 1 is true, and Fact 2 is true, therefore, wild assumption 3 must also be true!

The entire report is not fabrication. But their conclusions are fabrications. I doubt they have any real knowledge of what Iger thinks and says. What they have is an in with the Bus Driver's Union.

Give us facts, not a dozen questionable blog and news articles that do not include quotes by Disney representatives. There are plenty of facts that point to successful rollout of MM+ including the continued expansion of its use.

I want to be a Missourian: Show me.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

And just because you don't like what outside observers report on Disney strategy, that doesn't mean it's false. In fact, to imply the entire report is a fabrication is the biggest stretch we've seen her in a long while.

I don't flatly disagree with your opinions...

But boy...this sure sounds like alot of CM sour grapes type stuff.
I'm sorry you feel like the college program misled you and you dropped out of school because you thought you were gonna be a manager...but go home.

See...I totally made that up (well...probably made that up... Good chance I hit the bullseye too). I can make up anything and claim there's no
Way to prove me wrong... Like micechat

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I want to be a Missourian: Show me.

THE POWER OF TRUMAN COMPELS YOU!!!

excellent post by the way...100%

 

[rteetz]

http://http://articles.orlandosenti...131116_1_mymagic-magicbands-walt-disney-world No evidence? First, you are therefore implying that Magic+ is on schedule and not over budget. Are you serious ? Again, are you serious? Go ahead and tell us the below report from the Orlando Sentinel confirming issues with Magic+ (which is dated the same period that Miceage reported Disney Management being concerned about Magic+ being delayed and over budget) is incorrect. http//http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-11-16/business/os-disney-mymagic-delayed-20131116_1_mymagic-magicbands-walt-disney-world And go ahead and google "Orlando Informer Blog November 27" to access another external source reporting the same attraction cancellation plans Miceage reported due to budget issues from Magic+: And when you are done, go ahead and deny Magic+ is having issues and without providing any proof whatsoever stating that plans to add Star Wars and/or Cars Land to WDW haven't been cancelled.

Ok yes my magic + is over budget and yes it is off schedule but it is not a fail no proof of that yet. Also yes this is going to make management mad but every project disney does goes over budget so they should expect this by now. Mymagic+ had a lot of issues in the beginning but a lot of those issues are fixed and a lot of the system is running smoothly. Smoothly enough to turn off all MK fastpass machines nest week thats a big step. I do not think that all plans to do any park addition have been absolutely canceled on hold maybe but they are eventually going to do something and I'm not saying it's going to be this year or next year but eventually they will add something Star Wars.

 

[rteetz]

It is always impossible to prove the negative. Prove Star Wars hasn't been cancelled? Prove Ghosts don't exist! Prove I'm not Iger. See, Ghosts do exist and I'm Iger. No one has said MM+ is on time and on budget. But the article says far more than that, including in-the-know claims about Iger and high level meetings. The main difference is that something as massive as MM+ is EXPECTED to be late and cost more, this is true of all projects of this size. Any manager of any company is always pushing for early and under budget. Nothing new, nothing special, nothing serious. And the fact that rumors are shared around news outlets doesn't make them true. There is definitely a grain of truth to the article, but the gist of what they are saying is rumor and highly suspect. They are blowing out of proportion the little truth that is known. This is a classic tactic of conspiracy theories. Fact 1 is true, and Fact 2 is true, therefore, wild assumption 3 must also be true! The entire report is not fabrication. But their conclusions are fabrications. I doubt they have any real knowledge of what Iger thinks and says. What they have is an in with the Bus Driver's Union. Give us facts, not a dozen questionable blog and news articles that do not include quotes by Disney representatives. There are plenty of facts that point to successful rollout of MM+ including the continued expansion of its use. I want to be a Missourian: Show me.

agreed!

 

[Borishack]

Give us facts.

Hold yourself to the same standard and I will. I.e., no more of the "Disney will announce some big new attraction addition around the X anniversary of Y Park" or "Cameron is working on scripts" (for sequels he said back in 2009 would be coming out in three years ).