Is WDW making a Cars Land or Not ??

[rteetz]

HP was amazingly well done........ the rest not so impressed and again I feel directed toward older kids and adults. The Simpsons is rude and crude and would not have my grandkids watching that show. We will not likely not agree here, so I'll agree to disagree. We are going to WDW this may and expect to spend a day at Uni again. Both grandkids love HP and Dr. Seuss.

Universal could have done dr. Seuss better tho

 

[mbrou24]

Universal could have done dr. Seuss better tho

Yes but that is from a different time and a different ownership

 

[rteetz]

Yes but that is from a different time and a different ownership

true just saying the new ownership should expand on it

 

[mbrou24]

HP was amazingly well done........ the rest not so impressed and again I feel directed toward older kids and adults. The Simpsons is rude and crude and would not have my grandkids watching that show. We will not likely not agree here, so I'll agree to disagree. We are going to WDW this may and expect to spend a day at Uni again. Both grandkids love HP and Dr. Seuss.

The shows content is left to your opinion, but a spinner ride is not geared toward adults or teens, it's geared toward children along with many great theming elements that are neither rude or crude. The rumored rides for Jurassic park(a carousel, and a junior wooden coaster with light theming) are both geared toward families. Diagon alley is focused primarily on families with gringotts being more dark ride than coaster, and hogwarts express having no height restriction. The kong ride scheduled to open 2016, is supposed to be a combo of great movie ride and dinosaur with a low or no height restriction. All these rides are non thrill or very light thrill that are focused on kids and families. This IMO is a step in the right direction toward making universal resort more family oriented.

 

[mbrou24]

true just saying the new ownership should expand on it

There was talk of expanding with a lorax dark ride but those ideas were scrapped

 

[JB2K]

Applying "greedy common sense" to this would mean that they were definitely going to build Carsland. What executive would look at it's success in DCA and not want to clone it as many times as possible.

Personally, I thing the Star Wars acquisition caused them to change direction and instead of Carsland focus on a Star Wars expansion instead.

Given that CarsLand is the signature feature of Disney California Adventure, a park which had been struggling in years prior, why on earth would Disney replicate it in Florida (and "cannibalize" DCL's attendance numbers)?

Besides, the main attraction, "Radiator Springs Racers" is a re-themed version of Epcot's "Test Track", which itself was recently re-furbished...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Well from a business stand point Disney is doing very well so that would make management good as well.

Wrong...

I'm sorry...but this aggravates me. I hope everyone had learned and takes to heart the lesson learned in the real estate/credit crash: that business can post record "profits" and still be 100% wrong

Business needs to evolve and become more common sense driven...less ledger driven.

There's a right way to do things and a wrong. The size of the wallet of the choices doesn't change anything.

A clown with a billion Dollars is just a clown in a really nice suit.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Even Harry Potter is lacking when it comes to a theming perspective compared to Disney. Heck, they don't even cover all of the warehouse that is Harry Potter and the Forbidded Journey from customer view. When I went (second year it was open), the line for FJ routed us through a garbage dumpster area behind the Pizza Predatoria in Jurassic park. Universal has a ways to go before they have the consistency of theme that Disney has. Until they add the new HP ride, I will never set foot in Universal again.

I have to agree...
From a theming/detail/artistic standpoint...Disney still does it better no question.
But universal has cut the gap some

If universal can progress and build intricate parks/ lands...and do it in months/years instead of Disney's years/decades...then real market share is in play

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Given that CarsLand is the signature feature of Disney California Adventure, a park which had been struggling in years prior, why on earth would Disney replicate it in Florida (and "cannibalize" DCL's attendance numbers)?

Besides, the main attraction, "Radiator Springs Racers" is a re-themed version of Epcot's "Test Track", which itself was recently re-furbished...

Come on now...STOP MAKING SENSE!!

The discussion goes much better without the burden of fact being introduced

 

[rteetz]

Wrong... I'm sorry...but this aggravates me. I hope everyone had learned and takes to heart the lesson learned in the real estate/credit crash: that business can post record "profits" and still be 100% wrong Business needs to evolve and become more common sense driven...less ledger driven. There's a right way to do things and a wrong. The size of the wallet of the choices doesn't change anything. A clown with a billion Dollars is just a clown in a really nice suit.

I'm talking as Disney as a whole. Disney's movies are doing very we'll, marvel is doing well, espn is doing well, abc is doing well. Parks and resorts are doing well in most parts of the world. Disney was named company of the year by yahoo. They had the best app in the App Store for 2013 how is this not doing well?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'm talking as Disney as a whole. Disney's movies are doing very we'll, marvel is doing well, espn is doing well, abc is doing well. Parks and resorts are doing well in most parts of the world. Disney was named company of the year by yahoo. They had the best app in the App Store for 2013 how is this not doing well?

Sorry...I'm not dumping on you specifically...I just have seen alot of backslapping of Disney recently for what I see as shallow in terms of direction.

In fact...it you look at the "save Disney" website that Mr. Disney put up in 2003... The mission statement almost all applies again today. Perhaps not to the same level... But gaining.

You can have a high stock price and a dividend and still have trouble brewing...

I hope Disney is highly rated by those that gauge themeparks, food, accommodations...etc

No offense to yahoo

 

[Yellowstonetim]

Given that CarsLand is the signature feature of Disney California Adventure, a park which had been struggling in years prior, why on earth would Disney replicate it in Florida (and "cannibalize" DCL's attendance numbers)?

Besides, the main attraction, "Radiator Springs Racers" is a re-themed version of Epcot's "Test Track", which itself was recently re-furbished...

The main reason to replicate the ride - which is far more than just a repurposed Test Track - is that DL remains a primarily a regional park, whereas WDW is a world destination. A large percentage of the world won't travel to DL to ride Cars. So building Cars in Florida might be a wise move.

I have to agree...
From a theming/detail/artistic standpoint...Disney still does it better no question.
But universal has cut the gap some

If universal can progress and build intricate parks/ lands...and do it in months/years instead of Disney's years/decades...then real market share is in play

The theming in the HP area was pretty good but not perfect - as someone mentioned they didn't even hide the big building. So yes they have improved but they have a long way to go.

I'm talking as Disney as a whole. Disney's movies are doing very we'll, marvel is doing well, espn is doing well, abc is doing well. Parks and resorts are doing well in most parts of the world. Disney was named company of the year by yahoo. They had the best app in the App Store for 2013 how is this not doing well?

How can you view Disney as anything but successful. Every aspect of the business is doing great and it turns out the decision to slow in WDW while building more foreign parks has paid off in spades. People are whining and crying because they aren't getting all the new rides they want, well boo hoo. Patience grasshopper. Disney is working on the whole world.

Everything about what Disney has done seems to provide long term improvement, growth, and income - as well as short term stock increase.

The only place Disney doesn't look good right now is if I bury my head in about a foot of sand provided by Universal.

 

[Borishack]

Oh my... I needed a good laugh today.

Here, laugh at this... and notice where the top two rides are located:

http://themeparks.about.com/od/themeparkbests/ss/Best-Theme-Park-Rides_15.htm

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Here, laugh at this... and notice where the top two rides are located:

http://themeparks.about.com/od/themeparkbests/ss/Best-Theme-Park-Rides_15.htm

You're off the rails again...quoting random websites.

Nobody is gonna say "Disney has the best rides"...at least anyone realistic

But Disney still has the best overall park experience...and the question is will they be doing enough to maintain that?

The real difference is that 10 years ago NOBODY would have asked that question

 

[rteetz]

You're off the rails again...quoting random websites. Nobody is gonna say "Disney has the best rides"...at least anyone realistic But Disney still has the best overall park experience...and the question is will they be doing enough to maintain that? The real difference is that 10 years ago NOBODY would have asked that question

Agreed. Disney has good rides but not the best and I don't think people go to disney for the best rides.

 

[Suger Mag]

Here, laugh at this... and notice where the top two rides are located:

http://themeparks.about.com/od/themeparkbests/ss/Best-Theme-Park-Rides_15.htm

and I can find another top 10 list that lists other rides... it is not a ride vs ride issue. Yes your claim was laughable to me... because I have been to Universal... and yes it was fun...but it was no competition for Disney to me or my family. WWOHP was too small and not well planned out. Most of the rides were simply re themed and yes I rode the Forbidden Journey... I found it blurry (but I have crappy vision) and while overall it might have been fun... if it did not break down leaving me hanging sideways in the dark for 15 minutes (and I might add that happened with no special acknowledgement about it from the Universal staff... I wait too long for a bus at Disney and they would give me a fastpass) Spider man was cooler than anything in HP. I could care less about Transformers so I would not travel there just for that and that is the difference... I would not vacation and travel from Massachusetts just to go to Universal. Yes ... IF (and a big IF) I was in the area, I might go back in the future, to see Diagon Ally when it is done and to see if they learned from the mistakes they made with Hogwarts... which is not very "crowd friendly" to say the least.

To me... Disney and WDW are in a whole different league from Universal, and it all boils down to what one person likes. You obviously like Universal better, fine, but I don't get the bitter anti Disney obsession you have. Always the same "Pro-Universal/Anti-Disney" posts over and over, but you are just blowing hot air to my ears and will not change my mind. Because to me ...Universal is on more on par with 6 Flags... A few great rides/coasters here and there... but otherwise nothing spectacular in the overall theme and experience. And certainly not a vacation destination on its own merit.

 

[JB2K]

The main reason to replicate the ride - which is far more than just a repurposed Test Track - is that DL remains a primarily a regional park, whereas WDW is a world destination. A large percentage of the world won't travel to DL to ride Cars. So building Cars in Florida might be a wise move.

Wrong.

I define "regional parks" as those in the Six Flags and Cedar Fair families -- you know, something that you can drive a busload of kids to.

If DL was indeed a "regional" park, why would they have 3 high-end hotels on the property?

I'm certain if Disney could afford to expand the Anaheim boundaries, they would do so

In fact, the only thing that stymies DL's growth is the fact that many others purchased the surrounding properties, long ago for hotels/motels, fast food, etc. when Walt Disney, himself could no longer afford to make any big purchases to support his new park.

 

[rteetz]

Wrong. I define "regional parks" as those in the Six Flags and Cedar Fair families -- you know, something that you can drive a busload of kids to. If DL was indeed a "regional" park, why would they have 3 high-end hotels on the property? I'm certain if Disney could afford to expand the Anaheim boundaries, they would do so In fact, the only thing that stymies DL's growth is the fact that many others purchased the surrounding properties, long ago for hotels/motels, fast food, etc. when Walt Disney, himself could no longer afford to make any big purchases to support his new park.

yes but Disneyland has over 1 million AP holders. Disneyland is very much a locals park. WDW is a vacation destination where some people spend weeks. Most people in Disneyland spend a week or less.

 

[beer dave]

Agreed. Disney has good rides but not the best and I don't think people go to disney for the best rides.

agree as well. If you really want adrenaline, jump out of a plane.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

yes but Disneyland has over 1 million AP holders. Disneyland is very much a locals park. WDW is a vacation destination where some people spend weeks. Most people in Disneyland spend a week or less.

Disneyland has always been defined as more of a "local" market type place...

But look what there "local market" is...a state with 50 million people...

And wonder what the ap numbers are
For wdw?

Because if you 2 or 3 weeklong trips to wdw...you probably still eclipse what a Disneyland ap does.

Wdw is a "global" destination because its always had a strong and fairly close European clientele...and a developing one from South America. That was also a big reason why it was put there.

There's no foreign countries with that convenient access to California...if you're comparing them.