Is WDW making a Cars Land or Not ??

The article doesn't generalize, like most people here do when they imply Disney is or isn't going to do something. It cites specific meetings, dates, who was involved and the subject matter of discussion as well as decisions that were made. To recap:

  • Bob Iger and all of Disney’s top executives had a series of meetings and presentations in Orlando in early November of last year, to assess the issues with Magic+ and the ramifications. It was clear those discussions the initiative is way behind schedule and over budget.
  • A very unhappy Iger then returned to Burbank in mid November, where told WDI to halt all work on all major projects planned for the American parks, Disneyland Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland.
  • There was a follow up meeting with Tom Staggs the following week, where WDI and TDA were told to cancel all of the smaller projects being worked on specifically for Disneyland’s 60th Anniversary.

So let's wait to see if meaningful construction (not just puffy press events showing people with shovels) actually starts on the Avatar project at AK. And let's also see if the speculation of those who keep saying there are going to be announcements about "new attractions" when HS turns 25 is correct or not.;)

Wouldn't "halt all work on major projects for the American parks" include PR stunts trumpeting a major project in an American park?
 
Hold yourself to the same standard and I will. I.e., no more of the "Disney will announce some big new attraction addition around the X anniversary of Y Park" or "Cameron is working on scripts" (for sequels he said back in 2009 would be coming out in three years :rolleyes1).

Details on Avatar sequels: http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/01/avatar-sequels-start-in-2016/

To play devil's advocate on whether Cars Land or Star Wars Land is cancelled, and any "proof" to that point, technically there is no "proof" that those projects were actually underway, besides the obvious logic (and vague talk in public releases) that the Star Wars aquisition would eventually lead to park synerigies, plus a survey that went out on the topic.

Can you publicly cancel something that was never announced? :)
 
Details on Avatar sequels: http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/01/avatar-sequels-start-in-2016/ To play devil's advocate on whether Cars Land or Star Wars Land is cancelled, and any "proof" to that point, technically there is no "proof" that those projects were actually underway, besides the obvious logic (and vague talk in public releases) that the Star Wars aquisition would eventually lead to park synerigies, plus a survey that went out on the topic. Can you publicly cancel something that was never announced? :)
Thats a good point they never said they were working on a Star Wars land but they did say for a fact that they were working on different Star Wars things that would be brought to the park. A little teaser of this was at the d23 expo.
 

Astute observation. Short of the collaboration with Cameron being completely dead, Disney is going continue to hype it irrespective of how quickly it is or isn't moving.
quick question why are you so against Disney imagineering?
 
quick question why are you so against Disney imagineering?

Imaginneering isn't the issue. It's the decisions being made by the people at the top on the priorities being set for imagineering. Very capable people are being hobbled by quarter-to quarter management types with no vision.
 
Imaginneering isn't the issue. It's the decisions being made by the people at the top on the priorities being set for imagineering. Very capable people are being hobbled by quarter-to quarter management types with no vision.
Well from a business stand point Disney is doing very well so that would make management good as well.
 
Well from a business stand point Disney is doing very well so that would make management good as well.

However what are we losing?.............the special magic, pixie dust, the Disney experience, Walt's way??....all these things to just make the 3 month bottom line look good.

In the long run, by the bean counters cutting everything left in right, tying the imaginers hands, its going to be very expensive in the long run.

I am hoping Iger has woken up and their are signs he has. The fact things are *quiet* about the future means they are getting plans made to bring back what Walt would approve of.

AKK
 
However what are we losing?.............the special magic, pixie dust, the Disney experience, Walt's way??....all these things to just make the 3 month bottom line look good. In the long run, by the bean counters cutting everything left in right, tying the imaginers hands, its going to be very expensive in the long run. I am hoping Iger has woken up and their are signs he has. The fact things are *quiet* about the future means they are getting plans made to bring back what Walt would approve of. AKK
I agree with you
 
Well from a business stand point Disney is doing very well so that would make management good as well.

From a business standpoint, the Parks and Resorts side of Disney is effectively using discounts and promotions to maintain traffic during a down economy. They also are relentlessly moving upscale, with resort construction almost solely focused on expanding DVC.

Those actions are helping them....on a near term level. But what they aren't doing is maintaining their positioning as an innovator. Say what you want about Eisner, he left a legacy of critical WDW improvements including Hollywood Studios.

Beyond Carsland at DCA, Iger has yet to introduce anything major and new that is clearly successful (the jury is still out on whether Magic+ -- which has less to do with enhancing guest experience and more to do with incenting guest expenditures-- will actually produce the financial benefits it was aimed at).

What is happening is Universal methodically building a reputation for introducing keystone attractions that (from a design and theming perspective) readily surpass anything one presently finds at WDW.
 
What is happening is Universal methodically building a reputation for introducing keystone attractions that (from a design and theming perspective) readily surpass anything one presently finds at WDW.

:rotfl2:

Oh my... I needed a good laugh today.
 
From a business standpoint, the Parks and Resorts side of Disney is effectively using discounts and promotions to maintain traffic during a down economy. They also are relentlessly moving upscale, with resort construction almost solely focused on expanding DVC. Those actions are helping them....on a near term level. But what they aren't doing is maintaining their positioning as an innovator. Say what you want about Eisner, he left a legacy of critical WDW improvements including Hollywood Studios. Beyond Carsland at DCA, Iger has yet to introduce anything major and new that is clearly successful (the jury is still out on whether Magic+ -- which has less to do with enhancing guest experience and more to do with incenting guest expenditures-- will actually produce the financial benefits it was aimed at). What is happening is Universal methodically building a reputation for introducing keystone attractions that (from a design and theming perspective) readily surpass anything one presently finds at WDW.
first time I agree with you yes Disney has not done anything absolutely innovating in a while. I think that May change with avatar tho. Not so sure about universal reputation tho many people still don't think as them as better than Disney including myself.
 
From a business standpoint, the Parks and Resorts side of Disney is effectively using discounts and promotions to maintain traffic during a down economy. They also are relentlessly moving upscale, with resort construction almost solely focused on expanding DVC.

Those actions are helping them....on a near term level. But what they aren't doing is maintaining their positioning as an innovator. Say what you want about Eisner, he left a legacy of critical WDW improvements including Hollywood Studios.

Beyond Carsland at DCA, Iger has yet to introduce anything major and new that is clearly successful (the jury is still out on whether Magic+ -- which has less to do with enhancing guest experience and more to do with incenting guest expenditures-- will actually produce the financial benefits it was aimed at).

What is happening is Universal methodically building a reputation for introducing keystone attractions that (from a design and theming perspective) readily surpass anything one presently finds at WDW.

Even Harry Potter is lacking when it comes to a theming perspective compared to Disney. Heck, they don't even cover all of the warehouse that is Harry Potter and the Forbidded Journey from customer view. When I went (second year it was open), the line for FJ routed us through a garbage dumpster area behind the Pizza Predatoria in Jurassic park. Universal has a ways to go before they have the consistency of theme that Disney has. Until they add the new HP ride, I will never set foot in Universal again.
 
Uni Uni is starting to have some of the same problems as WDW has in crowds and pricing. Their prices are slowly raising. The new *value hotel* does not offer the *front of the line * pass, that is only for the high end hotels now, whose prices are going up as well.

It will be interesting what the parks prices will be when your looking to do both ends of HP.

Uni does have HP and they did a wonderful job there. The marvel stuff is basically thrill rides and has a limited following in younger couples and families with older kids. The only real children attraction is Dr. Seuss.


Disney's classic attractions still stand head and shoulders above anything Uni has done, except their thriller rides, something Disney doesn't need. They continued have a much better fit with their policy of catering to the entire families. Disney characters are loved by millions over the years and continue too be the best.

I find the position that because WDW has about 8,000 DVC rooms in resorts and a total of 30,000 rooms on property shows they are only looking for high end, guest just not supportable. Especially as they have 5 parks and often over a 80,00 guests a day in the parks.

Disney as I said before has to bring on the new projects and bring back their top of the line theming and innovations. Time will see if Iger wakes up.

AKK
 
first time I agree with you yes Disney has not done anything absolutely innovating in a while. I think that May change with avatar tho. Not so sure about universal reputation tho many people still don't think as them as better than Disney including myself.

The older parts of Universal are nothing special and for a long time, Universal had a maintenance problem (when I was there in 97, stuff was kind of dirty and unkempt). But the new parts are much improved - and by that I mean HP and things built from then on. They decided to double down and compete - instead of only throwing up thrill rides with marginal theming at the entrance (we can all just go to Six Flags for that right?), they are starting to build more immersive experiences. We have only spent 1 day at Uni since the late 90s, but the Wizarding World, for us, blew away New Fantasyland in terms of design and theming. The Hogwarts castle when viewed from the outside felt true to size and real, whereas the Beast's castle only feels somewhat realistic at night when the darkness masks the perspective problems. It was clear that Universal had some crowd management problems with entrance to the area and ride queues, but hopefully they are learning to manage those as time goes on. We didn't ride Dragon Challenge as none of us has the stomach for it, but the other rides were so nice, inside and outside. The FJ castle queue is amazing of course, but even the outdoor queue for Hippogryph was very pretty and landscaped well, and the "wicker" on the ride cars was unique. Wizarding World was certainly on par with anything Disney might build.

I think building Harry Potter, and Rowling's insistence on her involvement and her high standards for authenticity to the books and films, has actually been a really good learning experience for Universal's team and I hope that level of care and attention to detail carries over into everything they build in future.

One innovative service thing that did impress us was their management of the Three Broomsticks. We ate lunch there. They manage that dining room tremendously well - people can't access it to camp tables, as people do at Counter Service places in WDW and DTD. You buy your food, and then you enter the dining room and are directed to an empty table by a staff member. There are many staff in the room managing guest traffic and cleaning. The whole time we were in there, I never saw anyone wait more than a minute before being guided to a (clean!) table, even though the room was full constantly. And we enjoyed our food without people hanging about the fringes staring at us, willing us to eat faster. (One of the more irritating experiences at WDW is standing in Ghiradelli's or the Patisserie in France with food in your hands and no place to sit down, and seeing half the tables occupied by one person "holding it". Disney would do well to imitate Universal's dining room management style in a few areas.) This last WDW trip two weeks ago, I personally wiped down multiple counter service tables so we would have a place to eat. Come to think of it, I think I cleaned ALL of them, except the table in BoG.
 
The older parts of Universal are nothing special and for a long time, Universal had a maintenance problem (when I was there in 97, stuff was kind of dirty and unkempt). But the new parts are much improved - and by that I mean HP and things built from then on. They decided to double down and compete - instead of only throwing up thrill rides with marginal theming at the entrance (we can all just go to Six Flags for that right?), they are starting to build more immersive experiences. We have only spent 1 day at Uni since the late 90s, but the Wizarding World, for us, blew away New Fantasyland in terms of design and theming. The Hogwarts castle when viewed from the outside felt true to size and real, whereas the Beast's castle only feels somewhat realistic at night when the darkness masks the perspective problems. It was clear that Universal had some crowd management problems with entrance to the area and ride queues, but hopefully they are learning to manage those as time goes on. We didn't ride Dragon Challenge as none of us has the stomach for it, but the other rides were so nice, inside and outside. The FJ castle queue is amazing of course, but even the outdoor queue for Hippogryph was very pretty and landscaped well, and the "wicker" on the ride cars was unique. Wizarding World was certainly on par with anything Disney might build. I think building Harry Potter, and Rowling's insistence on her involvement and her high standards for authenticity to the books and films, has actually been a really good learning experience for Universal's team and I hope that level of care and attention to detail carries over into everything they build in future. One innovative service thing that did impress us was their management of the Three Broomsticks. We ate lunch there. They manage that dining room tremendously well - people can't access it to camp tables, as people do at Counter Service places in WDW and DTD. You buy your food, and then you enter the dining room and are directed to an empty table by a staff member. There are many staff in the room managing guest traffic and cleaning. The whole time we were in there, I never saw anyone wait more than a minute before being guided to a (clean!) table, even though the room was full constantly. And we enjoyed our food without people hanging about the fringes staring at us, willing us to eat faster. (One of the more irritating experiences at WDW is standing in Ghiradelli's or the Patisserie in France with food in your hands and no place to sit down, and seeing half the tables occupied by one person "holding it". Disney would do well to imitate Universal's dining room management style in a few areas.) This last WDW trip two weeks ago, I personally wiped down multiple counter service tables so we would have a place to eat. Come to think of it, I think I cleaned ALL of them, except the table in BoG.
I never said HP isn't innovative. Heck I wouldn't know because I haven't been to see it. Yes Disney's innovation has dropped the last few years we all can agree on that. Disney has so many more people than universal so I always expect it to be hard to find tables that's just the way it is with so many people. The last time I went I actually had little wait in many restaurants and for the most part always found a clean table. BoG is a terrific experience but yes beasts castle could have been better but it supposed to be more about the restaurant. I believe James Cameron will be very similar to JK in their demands. From everything I've heard he's a very hard to work with guy that's why I think there could be some new and quite innovative things to come out of this partnership.
 
I never said HP isn't innovative. Heck I wouldn't know because I haven't been to see it. Yes Disney's innovation has dropped the last few years we all can agree on that. Disney has so many more people than universal so I always expect it to be hard to find tables that's just the way it is with so many people. The last time I went I actually had little wait in many restaurants and for the most part always found a clean table. BoG is a terrific experience but yes beasts castle could have been better but it supposed to be more about the restaurant. I believe James Cameron will be very similar to JK in their demands. From everything I've heard he's a very hard to work with guy that's why I think there could be some new and quite innovative things to come out of this partnership.

The thing universal is doing is stepping up their theming game... Harry potter in iOa is well done, transformers and the meet and greet is amazing, and Springfield though considered a small expansion has quickly become one of the better theme park lands in orlando because of all the different aspects it contains. When diagon alley opens later this year I fully expect universal to be a serious competitor if it isn't already. That and the other expansions coming that will offer a family experience such as Jurassic park and kong. Universal is making a strong push to become a more family oriented park and it's being seen.
 
The thing universal is doing is stepping up their theming game... Harry potter in iOa is well done, transformers and the meet and greet is amazing, and Springfield though considered a small expansion has quickly become one of the better theme park lands in orlando because of all the different aspects it contains. When diagon alley opens later this year I fully expect universal to be a serious competitor if it isn't already. That and the other expansions coming that will offer a family experience such as Jurassic park and kong. Universal is making a strong push to become a more family oriented park and it's being seen.




HP was amazingly well done........ the rest not so impressed and again I feel directed toward older kids and adults. The Simpsons is rude and crude and would not have my grandkids watching that show.

We will not likely not agree here, so I'll agree to disagree. We are going to WDW this may and expect to spend a day at Uni again. Both grandkids love HP and Dr. Seuss.
 












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