Is Universal Orlando Repeating Disney World's Mistake?

Just curious, where do you stay that is about 50 points a night correct? 2BR 3 Bath BLT?

The pass doesn't sound too bad really (still expensive of course) as you do about 18 days on the trips and another 18 or so during the months, about $16 a day?

Last year we stayed at AKL in a 2 bedroom Savannah view suite and it was about 44~ish points per night. I suppose the pass does work out to be something around what you estimate, but I believe strongly that the reason I get such good mileage out of my pass is because we make it a point to use it.
 
Sounds like a lot of whining to me. So you pay $80/day for 5 days and I pay $25/day for about 45 days. That's $400 compared to my $1125. I also spend more on hotels. I spend more on meals. I may or may not spend more on merch cause I don't always buy stuff when I go and you probably do. If you wanna go more often, get a better job or move closer. However, my status as an AP holder does absolutely nothing to ruin or cheapen YOUR experience.
Not trying to pick sides but that AP status you mentioned is kind of being shoved into his face a little too hard. Remember suffocation is frowned upon
 
Not trying to pick sides but that AP status you mentioned is kind of being shoved into his face a little too hard. Remember suffocation is frowned upon

I have a point. Being an AP holder does not ruin or cheapen anyone's experience. In fact, unless you knew me, you wouldn't differentiate me from any other guest.
 
I have a point. Being an AP holder does not ruin or cheapen anyone's experience. In fact, unless you knew me, you wouldn't differentiate me from any other guest.
You do, but at the same time your also giving into his stereotype against APers. Not trying to convince you to stop you from being who you are but in this situation no one is winning, and you're giving me a bad impression which is exactly what I don't want. The job and location comment hurt me because of my financial situation. I would love to be in your position if I had the chance, but don't try to use it as an insult is what I'm saying. Just trying to be a little peace coordinator right now, unless your a troll (which your not at all, just trying to prove a point eventually, NOT AGAINST YOU though)
 

You do, but at the same time your also giving into his stereotype against APers. Not trying to convince you to stop you from being who you are but in this situation no one is winning, and you're giving me a bad impression which is exactly what I don't want. The job and location comment hurt me because of my financial situation. I would love to be in your position if I had the chance, but don't try to use it as an insult is what I'm saying. Just trying to be a little peace coordinator right now, unless your a troll (which your not at all, just trying to prove a point eventually)

I get what you're saying. I'm sending you a PM cause this is getting off topic
 
Sounds like a lot of whining to me. So you pay $80/day for 5 days and I pay $25/day for about 45 days. That's $400 compared to my $1125. I also spend more on hotels. I spend more on meals. I may or may not spend more on merch cause I don't always buy stuff when I go and you probably do. If you wanna go more often, get a better job or move closer. However, my status as an AP holder does absolutely nothing to ruin or cheapen YOUR experience.

$1,125, Is that for 1 person? Sorry just not following what ticket your using.
 
Last year we stayed at AKL in a 2 bedroom Savannah view suite and it was about 44~ish points per night. I suppose the pass does work out to be something around what you estimate, but I believe strongly that the reason I get such good mileage out of my pass is because we make it a point to use it.

Nice, just not the best comparison to a POFQ hotel room IMO. 50 points would also get you 5 nights in a BWV studio-a closer comparison but still a much improved experience/location.

$5,000 plus in dues can get 100 nights at the BWV, a program offered is my point.
 
Nice, just not the best comparison to a POFQ hotel room IMO. 50 points would also get you 5 nights in a BWV studio-a closer comparison but still a much improved experience/location.

$5,000 plus in dues can get 100 nights at the BWV, a program offered is my point.

I'm not following you there.
 
No satire! $2400 for all those visits is a bargain, and an insult by Disney to someone like me who lives too far away to make weekend or multiple visits. I pay a number approaching that for one trip. You're paying something like $25 a day to go to the park? I pay ~$80. YES, I wish they would jack up the prices of APs, therefore cutting their number, so that the park wouldn't be quite so crowded when I get to go.

$2400 for amusement park tickets is NOT a bargain...it's what I pay and while not yet a deal breaker...it has increased immensely for the same product in just a few years.

It doesn't work that way: $500/18 = only $27 a day!!! That's great!!

That's not how goods are priced. The more you buy...the cheaper the unit. That's not worth debating.

Here's how you should look at it: I walk up to the gate at epcot and buy an annual pass for $549 + 12%...

Stop there. They have collected $549 without gate entry. And that's their benefit whether you go in 50 times, 5...or 2.

That's the end game...several of you are backwards on this. It's not guaranteed to be used 18 times...and unlike a tv...it turns into a pumpkin 1 revolution around our Helios...

That's it.

AND...the point of tickets (and hotel rooms)...is not to profit!! It is to get the secondary spending where profits are outrageous. A Mickey plush is 85% profit on a bad day...it can be more...they sell tens of thousands of those and everything else every year. 50/50 in revenue between merch and EVERYTHING else.

I don't expect everyone to understand Disney economics...but I do trust that the numbers aren't twisted to defend them and alter reality...as this is doing.

If that were reasonable (and it's not)...then they could say "based on our data...the annual pass is used on average for 41 gate entries...and therefore has a value of $4,305...

Therefore we are increasing the gold pass to only $3,705!!! A 674% increase that we can PROVE still provides an exceptional value to our guests"


Good luck with that...I'm glad some of us still live on this planet :)
 
Sounds like a lot of whining to me. So you pay $80/day for 5 days and I pay $25/day for about 45 days. That's $400 compared to my $1125. I also spend more on hotels. I spend more on meals. I may or may not spend more on merch cause I don't always buy stuff when I go and you probably do. If you wanna go more often, get a better job or move closer. However, my status as an AP holder does absolutely nothing to ruin or cheapen YOUR experience.

"Get a better job." That's pretty rich. The best mud-slinging I've seen on here yet. Trouble is, it looks like Disney agrees with me - and APs are headed up! Goooooood. As it should be. You wanna go 45 days? That'll cost you much more before it's over. :love2:
 
I'm not following you there.

Because she equated "dues" with "points"...which is not accurate...

And has this weird thing we're it's possible to get a studio at Boardwalk villas 100 days a year at the minimum charge - 10 points...or something...my eyes went crossed there

I believe the defenders of the wall were hinting earlier in the thread that you exaggerated the cost of DVC to you...which I think might be partially true...and were attempting to casually invalidate everything else you said...

Welcome to my world ;)

It's the same old thing: Disney is not "ripping you off"...they were just undercharging you all these years when they made major profits and now you should welcome the increases.

The parks are overcrowded...they close to capacity everyday...the fastpass is affected...blah blah blah...

Just a normal day in the nights watch.
 
I'm not following you there.

Simple example, you were attracted with a POFQ week. Sounds like you enjoyed going, so you invested into the DVC plan WDW offers. Good idea IMO.

A lot of those investments have kept the value and many have doubled. Stays at that point can be arguably on the dues.

$5,000 plus in dues is around 1,000 points.

BWV studios start at 10 points a night, or $50 a night.

Simply choosing to do 2BR 3 BR villas indeed reduces days available-but not a good comparison to a POFQ hotel room, but a much more comfortable stay.


So you can stay deluxe for $50 a night, and visit parks with a hopper for $13 a day.

That's all.
 
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Ah I see, so 45 days on a $600 AP is around $13 a day.

Oh boy...

A 20 oz bottle of coke is $1.69
A 2 Liter (67 oz) is $1.89
A 12 pack (144 oz) is $5.49

Next year coke should raise the 2 L to $5.50 and the 12 pack to $12, right?

And I should be happy...only fair...

Consumer pricing not your strong suit, huh?
 
Oh boy...

A 20 oz bottle of coke is $1.69
A 2 Liter (67 oz) is $1.89
A 12 pack (144 oz) is $5.49

Next year coke should raise the 2 L to $5.50 and the 12 pack to $12, right?

And I should be happy...only fair...

Consumer pricing not your strong suit, huh?

Show me where I talked about fair. Maria is making some good choices IMO.
 
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Its all simple math. Not very hard.

Every year we look at our plans - how many days are we going?
Which option provides the lowest per day cost? Some years its AP, some years its tickets.
Some day, we will look at it and determine the lowest per day cost we can achieve is above what we are willing to pay.
We will then make new plans.

Its not hard. Not sure why all the angst. The AP exists for 2 purposes:
  • Encourage people to buy upfront for a product they won't use.
  • Flatten what would be a never ending tier system that eventually becomes flat (Days 21-365 are all priced the same)
All other "reasons" for APs, or discounted APs, or pros-cons are self-created in the consumers mind.
 
This Rick guy...

Universal is doing exactly what it should be doing. They can leverage their unique market position and additions to make these increases. They're well below Walt Disney World pricing, and it's well within the realm of reason. Especially if Water Park (#volcanobay) entrance is included in the premium passes (which I suspect it will) limiting the APs makes perfect sense. New additions are coming. Rick needs to calm down.

Walt Disney World apparently has shed APs (those are the rumblings at least). Which is reasonable. Unlike SoCal there are legitimate competitors in the market. Disneyland can get away with huge prices for APs because all they have is the mediocre Universal Hollywood and Knotts to compete with. Also the locals are fanatical in their loyalty to the original park and 2nd resort (for good reason too).

Now we'll see if WDW really cares... It is true WDW was basically starting to overcrowd. They even said that the price increases and use of block out dates was a means to control attendance. Creating a better guest experience at the expense of attendance. We'll see if they really meant that by how they price APs if we see stagnation for several years or increases just to keep up with inflation that will be the indicator we need.

paid EMH. Even giving it away didn't make people want to pay for it so it went away.
It's interesting people reacted so vehemently to this. I thought it was actually a unique/compelling offering for a certain market. Either the high income or day visitors would've benefited. It's a shame. I know if in future years I was dropping into Orlando for a conference or work, a night out at MK with limited crowds would've been an awesome option to have instead of regular admission.

Though I digress...

Sounds like a lot of whining to me. So you pay $80/day for 5 days and I pay $25/day for about 45 days. That's $400 compared to my $1125. I also spend more on hotels. I spend more on meals. I may or may not spend more on merch cause I don't always buy stuff when I go and you probably do. If you wanna go more often, get a better job or move closer. However, my status as an AP holder does absolutely nothing to ruin or cheapen YOUR experience.
Though you need to look at how other guests and Disney view it. In general APs come and spend less per day in food, beverage, and merchandise. There are exceptions, but they generally don't spend as much on hotels. They also come at the most crowded times; like at nights for fireworks and on weekends/holidays.

If Disney could stuff 70,000 people into the Magic Kingdom there's no doubt they'd choose Week long visitors over APs any day. Why? Because each unique visitor has bigger vacation funds than one AP spread of 30 visits for just a nightly drop in to watch the fireworks or hangout on a Saturday.

APs are very helpful for slower times (hence the blackouts) when the parks aren't filled with normal guests.

Before you wonder, I am an AP... ;)
When I say a recession will change things is I mean Disney will discount heavily and won't raise prices as much or as high because people don't have the money.
Indeed, though it's an open question to how they respond. Walt Disney Parks is leaps and bounds stronger than the last time undergoing hard times. Except maybe at WDW. There it's probably break even in terms of offerings. Their response should be better this time, which means less benefit for us the consumer.

That will be interesting, but I'm hoping we can put off that study for a while... :)
 
Its all simple math. Not very hard.

Every year we look at our plans - how many days are we going?
Which option provides the lowest per day cost? Some years its AP, some years its tickets.
Some day, we will look at it and determine the lowest per day cost we can achieve is above what we are willing to pay.
We will then make new plans.

Its not hard. Not sure why all the angst. The AP exists for 2 purposes:
  • Encourage people to buy upfront for a product they won't use.
  • Flatten what would be a never ending tier system that eventually becomes flat (Days 21-365 are all priced the same)
All other "reasons" for APs, or discounted APs, or pros-cons are self-created in the consumers mind.

I also think it encourages people to take extra trips. One year I got an AP just so I could get TIW as we had a party of 10 and the savings more than made up the extra cost ...

... Later that year we did a 2nd trip partly due to me already having the AP and the room discount I got from having it.

Per day it was lower but in total Disney got more money out of me than normal
 












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