Is this how Allies are treated ?

[yo-ho-yo-ho]

From the UK

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has failed to provide an inquest with a recording of a "friendly fire" incident in which a British soldier died. Oxfordshire Assistant Deputy Coroner Andrew Walker had criticised the MoD for delays and gave officials until Friday to produce the tape.

But the MoD said authorisation from the United States was needed to hand over the video. The case was adjourned.

Lance Corporal of Horse Matty Hull, 25, from Berks, died in March 2003.

The cockpit video was taken as a US aircraft opened fire on British troops. The BBC has learned that the video was only given to the coroner this week, but clearance is required for the tape to be shown.

The barrister for the MoD said it had not been possible to get permission from the Americans to lift its classified status.

L/CoH Hull's widow, Susan Hull, told BBC News she was "very disappointed but not particularly surprised" by the decision.

MoD lawyer Leigh-Ann Mulcahy, said high-level diplomacy between US and UK governments was needed to release the classified recording.

In a statement the ministry said: "[The] MoD respects the fact that this classified information belongs to the US, in the same way as the US respects our ownership of sensitive information we provide them with.

"Nonetheless, we are in discussions with our allies in the US about how we can, jointly, move this situation forward.

"Everyone understands the concerns of L/CoH Hull's family, and of the coroner himself in this matter."

The MoD was further criticised by L/CoH Hull's family who had previously been told "categorically" there was no such video evidence.

L/CoH Hull, from the Windsor-based Household Cavalry Regiment, died from multiple injuries inside his blazing Scimitar tank despite efforts by colleagues to save him.

He was travelling in a column of light armoured vehicles near Basra, in southern Iraq, when it was reportedly attacked by a US A-10 "tankbuster" aircraft.



Mr President just order that the Tape can be used and treat the Allies/UK with respect !!!

 

[RoyalCanadian]

Sad but true -- if the A-10 tankbusters are shooting at the Pommies in Iraq it means they aren't shooting at the Canucks in Afghanistan.

 

[yo-ho-yo-ho]

I know what you mean rumours are going about that the pilots in the A-10's were heard laughing and saying someone will go to prison for this so clearly they must have known it was blue on blue

Maybe thats why the President doesn't want to release the tape

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

I know what you mean rumours are going about that the pilots in the A-10's were heard laughing and saying someone will go to prison for this so clearly they must have known it was blue on blue

Maybe thats why the President doesn't want to release the tape

Oh! Rumours eh?
What a sad individual you are, passing on this crap without any foundation of truth.

Some of us are proud of our countries support for the USA in this just war, people like you are pathetic.

Throughout the history of warfare friendly fire has occured. It will continue to do so.

What's your history of fighting for your country YoHoYoHo?
Are you actually sputing this anti American rubbish from a position of knowledge?

British and Proud of our American Allies.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I know what you mean rumours are going about that the pilots in the A-10's were heard laughing and saying someone will go to prison for this so clearly they must have known it was blue on blue

Maybe thats why the President doesn't want to release the tape

Man, I am hardly a supporter of this war, but there is no way that our troops are laughing about accidentally targeting our British allies...not a chance! Whoever you heard spreading this rumor is clueless and sleazy at best! I agree with many of your posts, but you are going to lose all crediblity is the debate if you continue to post this kind of poisonous crap.

 

[yo-ho-yo-ho]

Obi i take offence at your comments but i'll reply to you and hopefully you'll keep calm.


1/ do you think the Tape should be released ?

2/ reports in the British press say - "A DAMNING secret video appearing to show US warplanes attacking a British tank convoy includes "incriminating" dialogue admitting: "Someone's going to jail for this".


From the Daily Mirror 1st Feb 2007

3/ Do you not wonder why the tape has been kept secret ?

I haven't fought for my Country but would be willing to do so if i thought it was a just war or in defence of my country.



Instead of jumping to the defence of something you hold dear, take a step back and check the facts.

Faugh A Ballagh !!

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Obi i take offence at your comments but i'll reply to you and hopefully you'll keep calm.

We I am very happy that you took offence, that was my intention.

1/ do you think the Tape should be released ?

ONLY if it does not effect the security of the soldiers in the war zone or compromise the tactics being used. It could be released to a tribunal of offivcers from the Armed Forces, not to the general public

2/ reports in the British press say - "A DAMNING secret video appearing to show US warplanes attacking a British tank convoy includes "incriminating" dialogue admitting: "Someone's going to jail for this".


From the Daily Mirror 1st Feb 2007

You have picked the anti war socialist paper the Daily Taliban for you justification of your views?
A paper know to lie to support its anti war position.

3/ Do you not wonder why the tape has been kept secret ?

I haven't fought for my Country but would be willing to do so if i thought it was a just war or in defence of my country.

Typical armchair "soldier" making comments from the comfort of his lounge. The typical anti war "protester" who has NEVER fought for his country not fought for the freedom and release of other people.
Luckily for you, you were already the lowest of the low in my opinbion, you have just compunded that fact

Instead of jumping to the defence of something you hold dear, take a step back and check the facts.

Faugh A Ballagh !![/QUOTE]

What "facts" you have displayed your "facts" from a newspaper that supports the Taliban, that will use any lie to prove it s anti-war credentials.

 

[yo-ho-yo-ho]

ONLY if it does not effect the security of the soldiers in the war zone or compromise the tactics being used.

Tactics - what tactics shoot all round you !!

Come on get real there is no reason why the tape shoildn't be released and i come back to the question why was it hidden


The facts are - the tape was hidden and the U.S is refusing to let it be shown !!!

So rather than protect the American Military why don't you send some words of comfort to L/CoH Hull's widow - and explain to her why the after repeated attempts to have the A-10's stop their attack they carried on

 

[inaminute]

I'm confused, yo-ho.

You obviously hate the U.S. and the U.S. military and take every opportunity to point out how vile and deserving of your hatred we and they are.

As that is the case, why do you have a photo of the flag draped coffins of U.S. military heros in your signature?

 

[yo-ho-yo-ho]

You obviously hate the U.S. and the U.S. military

Sorry your wrong - i'm merely pointing out that the U.S isn't the good guys that they'd like everyone to think they are !!!

You should be thanking me for that picture because the President would rather you didn't see it !!!

 

[inaminute]

You should be thanking me for that picture because the President would rather you didn't see it !!!

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Tactics - what tactics shoot all round you !!

Come on get real there is no reason why the tape shoildn't be released and i come back to the question why was it hidden


The facts are - the tape was hidden and the U.S is refusing to let it be shown !!!

So rather than protect the American Military why don't you send some words of comfort to L/CoH Hull's widow - and explain to her why the after repeated attempts to have the A-10's stop their attack they carried on

You above comments show to the world your inability to understand a war situation.

As you believe crap and "rumours" without any foundation to them, you would not understand what is or is not on that tape, but you have already decided what you believe is on that tape.

This is not protecting the US armed forces, its protecting all the men and women on the ground. Again, you are muddying the waters with your comments about "repeated attemps to stop the attack"

Again, you have no experiance of a battle situation, you (I notice ignored any comments regarding you being the typical "Sofa soldier") have NO IDEA what goes on in a firestorm, you have NO IDEA what happens on the battlefield, yet you, who sits on their **** critiscising the brave man and woman of the US armed forces and the brave men and women of the Allied forces have the audacity to sit all nice and cosy at your computer making unfound attacks on these heroes.
You would be the first crying your eyes out and holding up the white flag to any country which invaded your cosy little existance.
The French had a word for you in the last world war, so did the United Kingdom.

I can tell you what its like having to speak to the families of servicemen killed in action, you haven't the faintest what it s like. Yet you, for your own political ends, try to use this as some sort of justification for your attacks on these heroes.

You are a piece of scum, you really are. You prefer to spread unfounded "rumours" about our heroes and give succour to our enemies whilst sitting on your ample bottom safe under these heroes umberella of safety.

You are quite frankly not even worth the broadband use to talk to you.


From someone who has fought for their country, proudly.

 

[Fitswimmer]

You above comments show to the world your inability to understand a war situation.

As you believe crap and "rumours" without any foundation to them, you would not understand what is or is not on that tape, but you have already decided what you believe is on that tape.

This is not protecting the US armed forces, its protecting all the men and women on the ground. Again, you are muddying the waters with your comments about "repeated attemps to stop the attack"

Again, you have no experiance of a battle situation, you (I notice ignored any comments regarding you being the typical "Sofa soldier") have NO IDEA what goes on in a firestorm, you have NO IDEA what happens on the battlefield, yet you, who sits on their **** critiscising the brave man and woman of the US armed forces and the brave men and women of the Allied forces have the audacity to sit all nice and cosy at your computer making unfound attacks on these heroes.
You would be the first crying your eyes out and holding up the white flag to any country which invaded your cosy little existance.
The French had a word for you in the last world war, so did the United Kingdom.

I can tell you what its like having to speak to the families of servicemen killed in action, you haven't the faintest what it s like. Yet you, for your own political ends, try to use this as some sort of justification for your attacks on these heroes.

You are a piece of scum, you really are. You prefer to spread unfounded "rumours" about our heroes and give succour to our enemies whilst sitting on your ample bottom safe under these heroes umberella of safety.

You are quite frankly not even worth the broadband use to talk to you.


From someone who has fought for their country, proudly.

Thank you for this post, and most especially for your service. I would love to see this war end and our soldiers at home-HOWEVER, I do not side with those that hunt for every negative statement put in print about the military to support that position.

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Thank you for this post, and most especially for your service. I would love to see this war end and our soldiers at home-HOWEVER, I do not side with those that hunt for every negative statement put in print about the military to support that position.

Don't get me wrong Fitswimmer, I am no lover of war, I would prefer if our troops were not fighting. I want the battles to be over as soon as possible. Once you have been in a war zone, the "gung ho Commando magazine" attitude soon leaves you, in fact when I came back from the Falklands, my first war (though Northern Ireland was not a bed of roses) I was not sober for a week. the memories and nightmares never leave you, and I really get pissed off by people who make judgements from their safe and cosy couches and have the termerity to judge people who are worth more tham they ever will be based on unsubstantiated Rumours which are only there to make the lives of these heroes more difficult.

I REALLY hope that in the USA when these guys and girls come home on leave, they are not subjected to crap from these anti war vermin.

 

[richiebaseball]

As that is the case, why do you have a photo of the flag draped coffins of U.S. military heros in your signature?

Shock value. Pure and simple. The last refuge of the intellectually inept.

 

[yo-ho-yo-ho]

Well that was some outburst !!


First off i'd ask you withdraw those personal comments about me please. We can have different on views but it shouldn't result in personal attacks.

We'll see when or if the Tape is shown

I can assure you i haven't sat in my cosy couch but i don't need to justify myself to anyone.

"unsubstantiated Rumours" Well let the President dispell them by ordering the use of the tape - This is the same President who won't sign up to the ICC




Obi i'll give you a short space of time to remove those personal comments !!

 

[inaminute]

First off i'd ask you withdraw those personal comments about me please. We can have different on views but it shouldn't result in personal attacks.

Sorry you're wrong. He's merely pointing out that you aren't the good guy that you'd like everyone to think you are!!!

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Well that was some outburst !!


First off i'd ask you withdraw those personal comments about me please. We can have different on views but it shouldn't result in personal attacks.

We'll see when or if the Tape is shown

I can assure you i haven't sat in my cosy couch but i don't need to justify myself to anyone.

"unsubstantiated Rumours" Well let the President dispell them by ordering the use of the tape - This is the same President who won't sign up to the ICC




Obi i'll give you a short space of time to remove those personal comments !!

when you admit those rumours you have posted are in no way proved and apologise to both the UK and USA soldiers for your unsubstatiated attack by posting such a rumor then I will apologise to you for calling you those things you personally feel are wrong and I personally feel are correct. You have the audacity to complain about personal attacks whilst continuing to personally attack those heroes in the A10's
Until that time, I stand by those comments, and will defend them to the hilt.

Your move

 

[yo-ho-yo-ho]

No problem at least i tried !!

personally attack those heroes in the A10's

Heroes what was heroic about killing a British Soldier

Obi do you agree with L/Cpl Hull's widow when she said ?

"absolute disgrace" that the evidence had come to light this week when she had been assured by the military that no such tape existed."

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

No problem at least i tried !!




Heroes what was heroic about killing a British Soldier

Obi do you agree with L/Cpl Hull's widow when she said ?

"absolute disgrace" that the evidence had come to light this week when she had been assured by the military that no such tape existed."

No I do not. the "Military" would have told her the situation when she asked as far as they knew at that time. You sitting on your couch have no idea of the actual situation, only what you read in the "Daily Taliban" and other anti Bush, Anti war tabloids.

Again, you know NOTHING about what happens on a battleground and again I say, where is your apology to the servicemen for spreading unsubstatiated rumours about them?

Of course they are heroes, they are putting their lives (and I say that the dead British Army Soldiers are also heroes) on the line every hour of the day to defend people like you and me, yet you continue to denegrate them in public.

Now, where is the apology to these brave boys and girls? Well?