IS there a menorah on board

It appears to me that the other shiplines that do have them only do so to increase their profit margin for booking weddings.

That is certainly the core agenda, but once the the space is there it becomes available for general worship, Unlike TV guy, I have seen chapels on cruise ships used on Saturday afternoons (for Catholic Masses) and/or Sunday mornings (for multi-faith Christian services). Since I haven't sailed during major Jewish holidays, I don't know if these facilities are employed by Rabbis. Whatever, if a celebrant is going to hold a service during a cruise, why use a lounge or theater if a chapel is available?;)

Mass on the T.N. Raffaello of the Italian Line,, 1966:

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Whatever, if a celebrant is going to hold a service during a cruise, why use a lounge or theater if a chapel is available?;)

But if there isn't a chapel available and the service is held elsewhere it still counts in God's eyes, right? Personally, I think that DCL does a great job of handling the wedding/religious holiday situations without having a dedicated chapel.

I think it becomes an issue of practicality. DCL is trying to get the most use out of its spaces. While a chapel would be nice for some it is useless to others. DCL is trying to maximize every square foot of space for the enjoyment of all guests. Perhaps the new ships (being quite a bit larger than the Magic and Wonder) will provide a chapel, perhaps not.
 
But if there isn't a chapel available and the service is held elsewhere it still counts in God's eyes, right?

Certainly. At the same time, having space dedicated to wosrhip/religious celebration reflects a respect for the latter. Moving that activity into off hours in a lounge or theater...leaves one (well, at least some of us) with the feeling of being an afterthought.

I think it becomes an issue of practicality. DCL is trying to get the most use out of its spaces.

Perhaps, but the issue of ROI per square foot on cruise ships was analyzed ad nausem long before DCL even existed and resulted in scores of very profitable lines...that put in chapels.

Also, DCL fans love to brag about all the "extra" space that became available when the line decided not to include a casino. A few hundred square feet of that couldn't have been used for a worship oriented room?;)
 
We want to know if there is a menorah on board (even with simulated candles)? We will be sailing over Hanukkah.

I remember one year at DTD at DL there was this pitiful two foot display of Hanukkah related Disney items. I wonder if there will be any on board DCL.

does this help at all "Jewish sabbath service" onboard.
 


There was indeed a midnight Mass, and Mass every morning, since priests are obligated to celebrate Mass everyday, even if they are the only one there attending. If my memory serves, I believe there was also daily evening Jewish gatherings. I'll check my old Navigator to be sure, and get back to you.

Actually, as a priest myself, I can tell you that priests are not obligated to celebrate Mass everyday. They are held to the same obligation as any other Catholic: Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. Now, in the "older" Church, there was a certain obligation/expectation to celebrate Mass daily, but not now.

That being said, we generally celebrate Mass daily.

And, when I cruise, I usually offer the cruise director to say Mass for any of the passengers on board. Often they accept the offer and, on ships that do not have chapels, we have Mass in a large capacity place such as a theatre. (That is where I have had Mass on the Magic -- in the movie theater.)

Candles -are- used then. The place is set up by the crew and they remain to monitor in case any need arises.

What a priest needs to be aware of, though, is the line that he is sailing on. Most lines have Mass supplies -- chalice, books, wine, hosts, et cetera. Some lines, like Disney, do not have those supplies. If we do not bring our own, we don't have Mass.

Additionally, many lines try to ensure a few different traditions for services: Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish. Some lines have a chaplain assigned to every sailing (Holland America is great for that) and some lines just have ministers on board for the "biggies" of Christmas and Easter.

I would never want to be a ship chaplain, though. They are a part of the crew and are assigned crew quarters. Hardly spacious. They are also restricted to where they can be. On lines that have casinos, they are usually not allowed in there and some do not allow them in the bars.

Going as a passenger and volunteering to celebrate Mass is entirely different, however. :)

Well, this was kind of lengthy and somewhat off topic and on topic. Hope it helps answer some questions.
 
Actually, as a priest myself, I can tell you that priests are not obligated to celebrate Mass everyday. They are held to the same obligation as any other Catholic: Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. Now, in the "older" Church, there was a certain obligation/expectation to celebrate Mass daily, but not now.

That being said, we generally celebrate Mass daily.

And, when I cruise, I usually offer the cruise director to say Mass for any of the passengers on board. Often they accept the offer and, on ships that do not have chapels, we have Mass in a large capacity place such as a theatre. (That is where I have had Mass on the Magic -- in the movie theater.)

Candles -are- used then. The place is set up by the crew and they remain to monitor in case any need arises.

What a priest needs to be aware of, though, is the line that he is sailing on. Most lines have Mass supplies -- chalice, books, wine, hosts, et cetera. Some lines, like Disney, do not have those supplies. If we do not bring our own, we don't have Mass.

Additionally, many lines try to ensure a few different traditions for services: Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish. Some lines have a chaplain assigned to every sailing (Holland America is great for that) and some lines just have ministers on board for the "biggies" of Christmas and Easter.

I would never want to be a ship chaplain, though. They are a part of the crew and are assigned crew quarters. Hardly spacious. They are also restricted to where they can be. On lines that have casinos, they are usually not allowed in there and some do not allow them in the bars.

Going as a passenger and volunteering to celebrate Mass is entirely different, however. :)

Well, this was kind of lengthy and somewhat off topic and on topic. Hope it helps answer some questions.


Thanks for your insight. It was very interesting to hear about sailing on DCL from your perspective.
 
Actually, as a priest myself, I can tell you that priests are not obligated to celebrate Mass everyday

Thank you for the correction. My best friend is a RC priest, and I thought he once said all priests had a daily obligation, like saying the Office. Maybe it's just his own preference. I'll ask him tonight.


Well, this was kind of lengthy and somewhat off topic and on topic. Hope it helps answer some questions.

It did. Thanks!:thumbsup2
 


Hi. I just signed up to these boards. First, I'd like to say I have enjoyed reading all the posts regarding Disney Cruises, they are very informative.

I'll be taking my first Disney Cruise (1st cruise ever) as a part of MouseFest. While I don't know if there's a menorah on the ship, I can tell you that if you are sailing on Dec. 2nd, the last I heard is they have not yet hired a Rabbi.

The story I got was that someone thought Hanukkah was only 1 day during that sailing. It's not, it's 2 nights, Dec. 4th and 5th. I'm awaiting a reply from DCL as I wrote them today asking for an update.

I'll post the response that I get for anyone else who may interested.
 
I would love to see a chapel and a library on the new ships.....DCL loves tradition and the "golden age of cruising" so I was very surprised when they did not put a "classic ship's library" on their ships....

On every other ship I have been on there has been a beautiful chapel and warm, cozy library....great places to get away and have some peaceful moments.
 
Actually, as a priest myself, I can tell you that priests are not obligated to celebrate Mass everyday. They are held to the same obligation as any other Catholic: Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. Now, in the "older" Church, there was a certain obligation/expectation to celebrate Mass daily, but not now.

That being said, we generally celebrate Mass daily.

And, when I cruise, I usually offer the cruise director to say Mass for any of the passengers on board. Often they accept the offer and, on ships that do not have chapels, we have Mass in a large capacity place such as a theatre. (That is where I have had Mass on the Magic -- in the movie theater.)

Candles -are- used then. The place is set up by the crew and they remain to monitor in case any need arises.

What a priest needs to be aware of, though, is the line that he is sailing on. Most lines have Mass supplies -- chalice, books, wine, hosts, et cetera. Some lines, like Disney, do not have those supplies. If we do not bring our own, we don't have Mass.

Additionally, many lines try to ensure a few different traditions for services: Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish. Some lines have a chaplain assigned to every sailing (Holland America is great for that) and some lines just have ministers on board for the "biggies" of Christmas and Easter.

I would never want to be a ship chaplain, though. They are a part of the crew and are assigned crew quarters. Hardly spacious. They are also restricted to where they can be. On lines that have casinos, they are usually not allowed in there and some do not allow them in the bars.

Going as a passenger and volunteering to celebrate Mass is entirely different, however. :)

Well, this was kind of lengthy and somewhat off topic and on topic. Hope it helps answer some questions.
Mike:

Thank you for your post. I didn't know that different lines handled religious issues completely differently. Interesting.
 
The story I got was that someone thought Hanukkah was only 1 day during that sailing. It's not, it's 2 nights, Dec. 4th and 5th.
Actually, Chanukkah (or Hanukah, or Hanukkah, or...) is eight nights. The first night is December 4, and the last night (the eighth candle) is December 11.
 
Actually, Chanukkah (or Hanukah, or Hanukkah, or...) is eight nights. The first night is December 4, and the last night (the eighth candle) is December 11.

I think what Photographer meant is that on the Dec. 2nd 4-night Wonder cruise, two of the four nights will be during Hanukkakh (the 4th and the 5th), not that it is only 2 nights long.
 
Yes, I meant that the first 2 nights of Hanukkah are December 4th and 5th. I'm well aware that my holiday is 8 nights. LOL

I just got word that there IS going to be a rabbi on the Dec. 2nd sailing of the Wonder. Seems there was a commuincation gap. I'm very happy for the good news and to the CM who personally called me.
 
I just got word that there IS going to be a rabbi on the Dec. 2nd sailing of the Wonder. Seems there was a commuincation gap. I'm very happy for the good news and to the CM who personally called me.

That's great news! I'm glad a CM called you to let you know.
 
That said, and I mean this with the utmost respect, does DCL infact make accomodation for Christmas? I know there are holiday decorations (some places don't even call them Christmas decorations or Christmas Trees) and the hat tipped to Jolly ol Saint Nick, but is Christmas, the birth of the Christ child, born of a Virgin, the manger, the wise men, the shepherds accomodated for on DCL?

Again I ask the question not to be antagonistic but to sincerely know. I don't. I would suspect that such overt accomodations would be avoided. I don't know and I am asking for more info.

Christmas decorations are to celebrate the holiday of Christmas, regardless of what they are called, or what the decorations consist of. They are intended to celebrate a particular holiday- in this case Christmas. We don't use Christmas trees on Independence Day, do we? Implying that they aren't really Christmas decorations because there's no manger in sight makes no sense to me. :confused3
 
Yes, I meant that the first 2 nights of Hanukkah are December 4th and 5th. I'm well aware that my holiday is 8 nights. LOL

I just got word that there IS going to be a rabbi on the Dec. 2nd sailing of the Wonder. Seems there was a commuincation gap. I'm very happy for the good news and to the CM who personally called me.


But is there going to be on on the Magic Dec 8 sailing for the last 4 nites?
 

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