Is McCain "Milking" His POW Status?

[Master Mason]

Why?

Because he did nothing to earn it again IMO.

 

[okeydokey]

Well I will not consider that a personal attack or I would have to report it to the moderators. HOw do you know I did not serve in the military? How do you know that a close relative of mine was not killed in the military in MUCH more acitve duty and without a videographer? How do you know I do not have first hand knowledge of that which I speak? Be careful when you sling arrows often then can richoet. How do you know that another close relative was not in shark infested waters for 24 hours with body parts all around him after his ship was blown up in another war and sufferd post traumatic stress most of his life. Since you do not know that PLEASE do not maligne my character and I will forgive you for your personal attack.

So because you know people that served and had bad experiences you can mock others who have served? Report me all you want, you certainly won't hurt my feelings.

 

[ChrisFL]

Well, I think that such a disability would have showed up over the 30 years he has been a senator, and those 30 years are what qualifies him to be POTUS, if Obama is qualified after 14 months as a Senator, surely 20x that amount makes McCain qualified.

So being completely forgetful about several bills he voted on and, yes, how many houses he owns isn't the least bit troubling to you?

 

[DawnCt1]

I will agree that he was a bad president. He is the democratic George W. Bush (or is GWB a republican Jimmy Carter?).

But as far as former presidents go, I disagree wholeheartedly. He has not simply chosen to retire and go on a public speaking tour. The fact that he has devoted his post presidential life to human rights advocacy and promoting the spread of democracy tells me the moral fiber he is made of.

Jimmy Carter is a decent human being and a fine former president. Selling him short because of your obvious anti-liberal bias is a disservice to him and to the US presidency.

And to answer the title of this thread, yes he is. Just like Giuliani and Bush say 9/11 when they can't defend their positions. POW is the 9/11.

The list of Jimmy Carter's meddling in US foreign policy since leaving office is legion. From his failed negotiations with N. Korea, to coddling Chavez and then Hamas. There isn't a dictator that he doesn't love, including Robert Mugabe. Spreading democracy is not what Jimmy has had any interest in.

 

[DawnCt1]

So being completely forgetful about several bills he voted on and, yes, how many houses he owns isn't the least bit troubling to you?

Sen. McCain himself does not own any of the properties. They're all owned by Cindy McCain, her dependent children and the trusts and companies they control.

 

[Master Mason]

So being completely forgetful about several bills he voted on and, yes, how many houses he owns isn't the least bit troubling to you?

No it wouldn't be the least bit troubling to me. His wife handles the finances, for all he knew she had bought 10 homes in the last week, that's not a problem, that's how they choose to work their marriage.

As for the bills, can you tell me anything you did specifically on May 17, 1985?, or for that matter can you tell me what you had for lunch 3 weeks ago today? I certainly can't remember every decision I have made over the last 30 years and wouldn't expect anyone else to either.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

I have a question....if a presidential candidate was involved in a bad accident and somehow had some issues. What if they had slight brain damage and they spoke of it as being a "survivor" but it also clouded their cognitive abilities from time to time.

Would we not say that means they are not exactly able to make the best judgements in times of crisis?

What if the torture that McCain endured gave some issues with his mental abilities and judgement?

There are also a lot of other fine American soliders who received honorable medals and rank and were POW's, does that also make them qualified to be president?

"What if" games are entertaining, but rather useless in the big scope of it all.

What if a candidate's drug use had long-term affects on his mental capacities??

What if a candidate was abandoned by his father and it left him an emotional cripple??

Such questions, and their answers, are purely speculative.

 

[Laz]

How will being a POW affect his economic decisions? Affect his opinion of how well his Presidential campaign is going? Does the fact that he was in a POW camp really excuse his prickly demeanor enough to encourage him to be in negotiations with foreign states?

I am not supporting or defending, just making an observation. For example, His POW ordeal will affect how much money he spends on the military, that will effect the rest of his economic decisions. It will affect what he talks about in his campaign and how he says it. His past is part of him, good or bad just as Obama's past is part of him.

 

[CowboyCO]

So being a POW prevented him from knowing how many houses he owns? There is no link between between being a POW and not knowing how many houses one owns. He should speak to his POW experience when it is relevent to the conversation at hand, otherwise it becomes a punch line. I don't think he wants that to happen and I think he'll be more careful with its use in the future (Or I think he SHOULD be more careful with its use).

He doesn't own any houses. His wife does. He signed a pre-nup when he married her and her money from her trust and businesses are hers, not his. Her investments are not his. Why shoulkd he keep track of his wife's holdings and investments when it's not his? "Cindy! Stop investing! Stop it I say!"

He's been in public service his whole life and he's never taken a dime from anyone. No one has overpaid for a lot so that he could get $400,000 in free equity in a home like Obama. McCain also hasn't commiserated and become friends with terrorists that bombed the Pentagon (Ayers)

I don't recall anyone ever asking how many houses Kerry and his billionaire wife owned. Probably he owned one or none and she owns a lot. So what. She inherited a fortune. Somebody earned it.

Obama wrote a best-selling book and used the proceeds to buy a mansion. (with a crooked felon). McCain wrote a best-selling book and donated the proceeds to charity.

McCain and his wife adopted a child from Mother Theresa's orphanage, but do you hear him talk about it for political gain? No. His son is enlisted and serving in Iraq. Ever hear him use it for political gain? No. His son is in the Naval Academy. Used it? No. So, to say he is using his own life experience for political gain is disengenuous. He has had a full life, full of choices and experiences as a decorated Naval Officer, as a combat pilot, as a POW, as a commander, as a student at the War College, as a Congressional Liaison, as a Congressman, as a Senator.

McCain has passed the test. Obama hasn't even taken it. As Joe Biden said, the White House doesn't lend itself to on-the-job training.

 

[tasha99]

He doesn't own any houses. His wife does. He signed a pre-nup when he married her and her money from her trust and businesses are hers, not his. Her investments are not his. Why shoulkd he keep track of his wife's holdings and investments when it's not his? "Cindy! Stop investing! Stop it I say!"

He's been in public service his whole life and he's never taken a dime from anyone. No one has overpaid for a lot so that he could get $400,000 in free equity in a home like Obama. McCain also hasn't commiserated and become friends with terrorists that bombed the Pentagon (Ayers)

I don't recall anyone ever asking how many houses Kerry and his billionaire wife owned. Probably he owned one or none and she owns a lot. So what. She inherited a fortune. Somebody earned it.

Obama wrote a best-selling book and used the proceeds to buy a mansion. (with a crooked felon). McCain wrote a best-selling book and donated the proceeds to charity.

McCain and his wife adopted a child from Mother Theresa's orphanage, but do you hear him talk about it for political gain? No. His son is enlisted and serving in Iraq. Ever hear him use it for political gain? No. His son is in the Naval Academy. Used it? No. So, to say he is using his own life experience for political gain is disengenuous. He has had a full life, full of choices and experiences as a decorated Naval Officer, as a combat pilot, as a POW, as a commander, as a student at the War College, as a Congressional Liaison, as a Congressman, as a Senator.

McCain has passed the test. Obama hasn't even taken it. As Joe Biden said, the White House doesn't lend itself to on-the-job training.

Thank you for saving my lazy butt--I can just say, "yup."

McCain may be pushing the POW angle, but you know, it's extremely powerful stuff. McCain's character was tested in a way that almost no one here at the Dis will ever see in their own lives. I for one am in awe of the sacrifice he made for his fellow POW's when he didn't go home early. His experience isn't what makes him qualified to be President, but it does show that he has a remarkable sense of duty and integrity.

 

[OzFan]

Well now that's easy, everytime he says "hope" or "change", we all take a drink.

If we did that, we would all be in rehab within a week, needing new livers!

 

[CPT Tripss]

Because he did nothing to earn it again IMO.

I would rather it had gone to the Burmese monks, but . . .

Just curious, is it your take that he did not "...build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"? Do you think man-made climate change is real?

 

[CPT Tripss]

The pre nup Sen McCain may have signed doesn't take him off the ethical hook for reporting all familial income and assets.

 

[Master Mason]

I would rather it had gone to the Burmese monks, but . . .

Just curious, is it your take that he did not "...build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"? Do you think man-made climate change is real?

Well first off, no I don't believe that there is a man made climate change, current science actually shows that we are in a cooling period right now, temps go up and down in cycles, always have and always will.

But, for the sake of arguement here, lets say that there is. What did he do? He took a bunch of other peoples work and talked about it, and made a movie about it. I can't tell you if the movie is any good or not, because I have never watched it. But still he did nothing, it was all other peoples work and he was just using his name and spouting off. Since for this discussion we have agreed that it's real, I would rather see an award such as this going to someone that you know actually performed some service around this, proving it is real, coming up with a solution etc.

But again, that's just my opinion.

 

[Master Mason]

The pre nup Sen McCain may have signed doesn't take him off the ethical hook for reporting all familial income and assets.

Your correct, but that doesn't mean he needs total recall of that income or assests.

 

[JennaTX]

Jimmy Carter isn't good enough to clean McCains shoes.

Wow, that statement seems a little harsh,IMO.

I'm a democrat, but I still respect all past presidents whether I agreed with them or not.

 

[Family Fun Mom]

McCain has passed the test. Obama hasn't even taken it.

This is the best lined I have heard in a long time!

If it's okay, I'd like to quote it in another message board I frequent. May I?