Is it Racist?

[agentpleakley]

I'm not sure why you quoted me and then responded with this as I never implied anything of the sort and wasn't even talking about whites voting for Obama, but rather women voting for Hillary and blacks voting for Obama.

I didn't - I actually agreed with you but responded within the quote - see below to what I responded to.

Not painting anyone with a brush, just calling it as I see it. Maybe you want to stick your head in the sand about racism, but the fact is that some white people won't vote for him due to his blackness. Just as some people won't vote for Hillary due to sexism!

BTW, I could give a rats **** who you vote for!

First- you really don't need to have the attitude in your last sentence.

Next, my hand is no way in the sand.

Third, your head must be if you think that all non-blacks who are not voting for Obama are not voting for him because of the color of his skin -- which is what I was commenting on - please do not put me or the majority of others in your category of racists.

 

[Charade]

"Most all other things equal" I'll bet that the large majority of people would vote for the candidate most like them.

Well then why are we having a 20 page discussion about racism?

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I don't think anyone has stated that racism is entirely absent in the US but then I don't think it's as pervasive or systemic as some make it out to be.

ITA. Some folks seem to get stuck portraying a charictatured version of racism that doesn't match well with reality. This is not a denial that racism exists.

 

[CPT Tripss]

But...but...that's racist!!!

The only response to this is going to be that voting for someone because of their race is "racist" (though, technically, Galahad is correct...if they were voting against someone because of their race, that might be different). See...white people rarely think that race matters, because to us, it may or may not. But to the vast majority of African Americans, it absolutely does matter. All they have to do is look at the makeup of Congress to see that.

But again...it's not about logic. It's about white people wanting to be able to call black people "racists". Are there blacks who think their race is superior to whites? Undoubtedly. But do they make up anything close to even 10% of the African American voting population? Not even close.

JMHO...

 

[LohKee]

I didn't - I actually agreed with you but responded within the quote - see below to what I responded to.



First- you really don't need to have the attitude in your last sentence.

Next, my hand is no way in the sand.

Third, your head must be if you think that all non-blacks who are not voting for Obama are not voting for him because of the color of his skin -- which is what I was commenting on - please do not put me or the majority of others in your category of racists.

You accused me of painting people with a broad brush which is not true! I specifically said "some" and not "all"!

You put yourself in that category not me!

 

[smartestnumber5]

I didn't - I actually agreed with you but responded within the quote - see below to what I responded to.

Oops. Sorry about that.

I missed the point about Pelosi when I read the quote in your post and just assumed it was only what I had written. I saw the sentence "I agree with you on this" at the end and I kept thinking "why did I write 'I agree with you on this' to myself"?.

 

[CPT Tripss]

For Sen Byrd on one side of the aisle (nothing atoll changed) there is a Strom Thurmond on three sides of the aisle, but mostly and lastly the Republican side.
As far as the voting rights act, the deciding factor was the state of the Rep or Sen . . . much bigger factor than the party.
Justice Warren may just have had a touch of remorse for his role in the concentration camps for Americans of Japanese ancestry.
But that's three more threads.

 

[agentpleakley]

OTH, I DO believe that the majority of white folk WOULD vote for a white candidate over a black candidate with most all other things being equal

Clinton got all the rural votes and as we all know most all rural towns equal to about 98% white population in those towns.

You accused me of painting people with a broad brush which is not true! I specifically said "some" and not "all"!

You put yourself in that category not me!

I think your statements show that you think more than some, less than all - I'll concede that -- but what I responded to you is true -- there are plenty of reasons people can have for not voting for Obama other than race.

If one thing this election has shown us is that there is less racism than there is more. Just as in TN in 2006 with the close race between Ford and Corker.

 

[LohKee]

I think your statements show that you think more than some, less than all - I'll concede that -- but what I responded to you is true -- there are plenty of reasons people can have for not voting for Obama other than race.

If one thing this election has shown us is that there is less racism than there is more. Just as in TN in 2006 with the close race between Ford and Corker.

I agree they're plenty of reasons why non blacks won't vote for Obama, and I also agree that racism has come along, but I stand by what I said earlier which is that there are a lot of small towners who will not vote for a non white no matter what. Some more than others.

That said we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[agentpleakley]

I agree they're plenty of reasons why non blacks won't vote for Obama, and I also agree that racism has come along, but I stand by what I said earlier which is that there are a lot of small towners who will not vote for a non white no matter what. Some more than others.

That said we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

That's true and it is also true that alot of non-whites will not vote for a qualified white over a non-white -- reference the Ford family in Memphis (with the exclusion of JR.).

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Jerimiah Wright indicated in one of his recent addresses, that if Obama is not elected, it will be due to the prevailing racist attitudes of white America. So, can it be considered it racist when only 6% of black voters in N. Carolina vote for Hillary Clinton, but 94% vote for Obama? Just providing a provocative question on Wednesday morning.

It is not racist to vote a against a candidate who's campaign threw you, and everyone else in your demographic group under the bus to make political hay. When a campaign throws blacks under the bus, move on under the bus, San Francisco under the bus, Volvo drivers under the bus, and those that drink gourmet coffee under the bus, is it any surprise when blacks, move on members, those that drink gourmet coffee, and Volvo drivers vote overwhelmingly against that candidate? The reality is the Clintons had excellent support among the African American community despite Obama being in the race and the Clintons frittered that support away themselves in a calculated decision that backfired on em.

I must admit that it's hilarious to see the right wingers reduced to actively shilling for #1 on their most hated list, the Clintons. They couldn't even hold their former speaker's district in a special. They couldn't even hold R+6 Louisiana 6 in a special, and they got forced to a run off in R+8 Mississipi 1 with the Democratic candidate being barely held below the 50% mark to clinch. I for one am going to have fun watching the Democrats pick up 5-15 more seats in the house, 4-6 more in the senate, and have fun watching Obama get a speaking part in the Hall of Presidents at WDW next year.

 

[wvrevy]

As I considered my vote, the specter of who would be sitting across from Putin was very much on my mind. I would feel far more comfortable with Hillary or McCain in that chair than Obama.

Ok, so someone that faced down both the police unions and death penalty opponents in Illinois...someone who cut his political teeth in one of the toughest political environments in this country (that would be Chicago), and someone that - from scratch - built a political grass roots coalition that took on and beat the strongest Democratic political machine this country has seen in decades...is somehow a weakling? Is that really the argument against Obama?

 

[DawnCt1]

I must admit that it's hilarious to see the right wingers reduced to actively shilling for #1 on their most hated list, the Clintons. They couldn't even hold their former speaker's district in a special. They couldn't even hold R+6 Louisiana 6 in a special, and they got forced to a run off in R+8 Mississipi 1 with the Democratic candidate being barely held below the 50% mark to clinch. I for one am going to have fun watching the Democrats pick up 5-15 more seats in the house, 4-6 more in the senate, and have fun watching Obama get a speaking part in the Hall of Presidents at WDW next year.

I didn't realize that Disney was going to have a section of "also ran". "Shilling" for #1 is merely to keep the democratic carnage going. Without it, Obama wouldn't have been vetted.

 

[maddiemouse]

I would vote for any conservative candidate and never even notice the color.

Dawn, what is your conception of a conservative? What exactly does that term mean to you?
I've heard that the "Neo-Cons" feel that they have a mission to force democracy down the throats of every country, based on the fact that, so far, no two democracies have ever gone to war with each other, and that it's OK to do this.
I'm pretty sure that conservatives want to deny women the freedom of choice over their own bodies, and make gay and lesbian Americans less than full citizens, and think it's just fine to continue to kill our own young people and, of course,innocent civilians, in the insane war in Iraq.
So please tell me, what is good and honorable and AMERICAN sbout your version of being a conservative.

 

[DISUNC]

Well then why are we having a 20 page discussion about racism?

Because thats what Obama wants you to do, and I know you are a secret Obama follower!

 

[Terry36]

Unfortunately no matter how much we hope the mindset of the citizens of this great nation have changed, I feel they have not. There are a large amount of Americans who are afraid to have a BLACK MAN as their leader no matter how intellegient, eloquent speaking or American he may be. On the flip side, there a large number of Americans who will vote for those who look like them and this is mainly due to racism. This is the world we live in; yes it is sad but true.

 

[EMom]

It is not racist to vote a against a candidate who's campaign threw you, and everyone else in your demographic group under the bus to make political hay. When a campaign throws blacks under the bus, move on under the bus, San Francisco under the bus, Volvo drivers under the bus, and those that drink gourmet coffee under the bus, is it any surprise when blacks, move on members, those that drink gourmet coffee, and Volvo drivers vote overwhelmingly against that candidate? The reality is the Clintons had excellent support among the African American community despite Obama being in the race and the Clintons frittered that support away themselves in a calculated decision that backfired on em.

Anyone is preferable to a man who will readily throw his own granny underneath the bus.

And I stand by my opinion that he does not have the stuff to go head to head with the toughest of world leaders. He acts like a crybaby when a little political mud gets slung at him and if that's all it takes to make him indignant, heaven help us. I can just see his cabinet sitting cross-legged, singing some folk songs with some freakin' puka shell beaded curtains hanging from the doorway. It's hope for change and change for hope, yada, yada. The only Democratic candidate I believed had less chance of being able to stand his/her ground with world leaders was Kucinich. Hillary Clinton (or even Michelle Obama) has more cohones than Barack any day of the week. I concede that he talks a good game, but every time he has been under fire, he has run instead of fighting back. It's ANNOUNCE, RENOUNCE, DENOUNCE! That's his forte. That's his big gun.

Well, that's just not really impressive or intimidating. For a lot of voters, it hasn't been effective either. And we're fellow Americans....Let him try that on a country we're in conflict with. They'll laugh him out of the negotiations.

He wants me to believe he went to that church for all those years and never once heard that excuse for a minister go off on one of his shady tangents, but I don't because it's beyond belief. So that tells me he sat through it willingly and did not have the courage or moral outrage (which he so conveniently has now) to stand up and walk out. Well, I've walked out of a church before when the minister said something I would not tolerate, because sitting through it would have been tacit approval. There's no way I'm doing that in a church. I've known others to do it too, because they believed in standing up (and walking out) for their convictions. I would hope a president would have the strength of character to take such a stand at a minimum, but obviously he did not. I want a president with MORE courage than I have, thank you very much. I don't think that's too much to ask. With Obama, that objective will not be met.

 

[tinatark]

It's very racist when black (or white, or hispanic) people vote for a candidate solely because of his race.

It happens very frequently, tell me there isn't a more qualified congresswoman than Corinne Brown (FL - SHE is scary!) or the woman from Georgia. And the Ford family from Memphis Of course, people who lived here (TN) during the Al Gore Senior reign say he was one of the worst in the state, but had been there for so long, was always re-elected. On the flip side, one of the best politicians I've ever "known" was Tillie Fowler, from Florida. She ran on an 8 year promise, and left office after 8 years, even though she would have certainly won if she had run again. She was a gem in the roughness we see in politics, but a powerhouse, too. Fifth most powerful republican during her final term in office. She died about 2 years after she left, of a brain hemmorage, it was very sad, and I still wonder what she would have done in the political arena if she hadn't died.

I've had a bit of experience with running for office, both at the local government and congressional level - once a person is an incumbent,unless there are term limits, they're in for life.

 

[kydisneyfans]

The problem is that Obama is winning the Democratic primaries in the states that will vote red in November, Hillary is winning the Democratic primaries in the borderline states, and it really does not matter who wins the primaries in the blue states as those will go Democratic no matter who the candidate is.

Racism or not, I don't think Obama can win a national election this year.

 

[Charade]

Dawn, what is your conception of a conservative? What exactly does that term mean to you?
I've heard that the "Neo-Cons" feel that they have a mission to force democracy down the throats of every country, based on the fact that, so far, no two democracies have ever gone to war with each other, and that it's OK to do this.
I'm pretty sure that conservatives want to deny women the freedom of choice over their own bodies, and make gay and lesbian Americans less than full citizens, and think it's just fine to continue to kill our own young people and, of course,innocent civilians, in the insane war in Iraq.
So please tell me, what is good and honorable and AMERICAN sbout your version of being a conservative.

I'm not Dawn and won't be answering for her but I thought I'd respond.

1) Conservatives don't want to "shove Democracy down the throats of other countries". We believe in helping to remove the barriers that prevent them from getting it on their own. And not necessarily by force alone. Who wouldn't want that?

2) It's not about preventing a woman from choosing what to do with her body, it's about protecting the unborn life inside. Who wouldn't want that?

3) This is a personal opinion (which I believe is also held by many conservatives) but I believe that same sex couples should have all the rights that same sex married couples have. Who wouldn't want that?

While I believe in civil unions, I don't believe (and I know it's just a matter of semantics) those unions should be called a marriage. I firmly believe that a marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman. I don't believe in (in the sense that the state shouldn't legally recognize them) plural marriages or unions.

4) In regards to Iraq. I won't go there because that's been hashed about more than enough times. Each side should pretty much know how the other side feels.