Is it Racist?

White men of European ancestry have had more than their share of political power, and of late I'm none to impressed with how many of them have used it. I think it's perfectly understandable that African-Americans might like to see more African-Americans in office. I would like to see more African-Americans in office, too, and I'm of white European ancestry.

I'm sure most African-Americans are making this decision based on their politics, but race certainly is a factor. Obama being black is a plus. Race is a factor in most facets of everyday life if you are in the minority.
 
I agree with that, and I think at the same time we should not be dismissive or minimize how horrible it was, or have an attitude of "that was in the past-get over it."

I definately agree with that...the get over it attitude just helps the problem to continue on. When you think about it it has only been since 1964 that blacks were assured of no discrimination in public places and the right to vote...that was not so long ago.
 
Well, yes and no. In the sense that we should never forget so that we never repeat - like the Holocaust, I agree. But we will never be color blind - and we SHOULD be - until we, among MANY other things, stop passing that resentment down from generation to generation.


Educating people & talking about the past is the only way to move forward.
The feeling I am getting here is that alot of posters (Republicans) are saying they would vote for a blck candidate if they did not mention race, if they did not address the issues that this country is still facing regarding race. For many people that would be the most comfortable thing, but would it be the best thing for everyone in this country? Would we ever have real change or become color blind by ignoring issues?
I can't think of a better person to bring this country & lead us towards real change than Obama. The thing is not everyone wants real change, some people are scared of it & the more generations that adhere to this type of thinking the more divided we will become:sad2: (IMHO of course!)
 

Educating people & talking about the past is the only way to move forward.
The feeling I am getting here is that alot of posters (Republicans) are saying they would vote for a blck candidate if they did not mention race, if they did not address the issues that this country is still facing regarding race. For many people that would be the most comfortable thing, but would it be the best thing for everyone in this country? Would we ever have real change or become color blind by ignoring issues?
I can't think of a better person to bring this country & lead us towards real change than Obama. The thing is not everyone wants real change, some people are scared of it & the more generations that adhere to this type of thinking the more divided we will become:sad2: (IMHO of course!)

Where did you get that? I have not seen anyone say that.

Kristine
 
Educating people & talking about the past is the only way to move forward.
The feeling I am getting here is that alot of posters (Republicans) are saying they would vote for a blck candidate if they did not mention race, if they did not address the issues that this country is still facing regarding race. For many people that would be the most comfortable thing, but would it be the best thing for everyone in this country? Would we ever have real change or become color blind by ignoring issues?
I can't think of a better person to bring this country & lead us towards real change than Obama. The thing is not everyone wants real change, some people are scared of it & the more generations that adhere to this type of thinking the more divided we will become:sad2: (IMHO of course!)


You can refrence the Civil Rights Movement to see this in action....many politicians were AFRAID to end segregation, fearing they would be on the losing end politically with their constituants...when clearly this was a moral and not political issue. Why could such treatment of a large portion of the country go on for so long...because of the fear of the unknown changes it would bring to white society. It is hard to make real change when people only half heartedly want it.....I agree, Obama has that spark that maybe will begin a real want for change in America and the possiblities it brings.
 
Educating people & talking about the past is the only way to move forward.
The feeling I am getting here is that alot of posters (Republicans) are saying they would vote for a blck candidate if they did not mention race, if they did not address the issues that this country is still facing regarding race. For many people that would be the most comfortable thing, but would it be the best thing for everyone in this country? Would we ever have real change or become color blind by ignoring issues?
I can't think of a better person to bring this country & lead us towards real change than Obama. The thing is not everyone wants real change, some people are scared of it & the more generations that adhere to this type of thinking the more divided we will become:sad2: (IMHO of course!)

Educating people and talking about the past is one thing, but passing down resentment and hatred is another thing all together. One can learn about the past and not pass down the resentment. Resentment and hatred is taught, in many instances, at home.
 
Educating people and talking about the past is one thing, but passing down resentment and hatred is another thing all together. One can learn about the past and not pass down the resentment.

Again, though, I think it would be easier for resentment not to be passed down if there was less of the "get over it" attitude that is out there.
 
Read page 4 of this thread, I have heard similar comments in real life from people about not wanting to vote for Obama. If Obama never talked about race & was as sugar coated & PC as Hillary about everything he would be having an easier time, no doubt about it!
What some find refreshing & honest others find scary & unfamiliar, thats just my view of it, as I said before.
 
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, Obama has that spark that maybe will begin a real want for change in America and the possiblities it brings.

OK, I'll bite. What, specifically, will that change look like? What do you see changing about your daily life? How, specifically, will he set us right?
 
Educating people and talking about the past is one thing, but passing down resentment and hatred is another thing all together. One can learn about the past and not pass down the resentment. Resentment and hatred is taught, in many instances, at home.


Show me one quote from Obama that teaches resentment & hatred instead of educating & understanding a different point of view & I will see your point.
 
Show me one quote from Obama that teaches resentment & hatred instead of educating & understanding a different point of view & I will see your point.

Did I mention Obama was, in any way, teaching resentment? No, I didn't. What I was refering to was people in general, not Obama. I never once said that Obama was teaching resentment. And it happens on both sides of racial isle.
 
OK, I'll bite. What, specifically, will that change look like? What do you see changing about your daily life? How, specifically, will he set us right?

Many ways but I will give you one because of the context of our discussion here-
My children (& the rest of this country) will be able to look at the cover of a newspaper & not be able to point out the next president to me when faced w/ a young black man & an old white man faster than blinking an eye.
That may seem like a very small insignificant change to some, but I think the trickle down effect can be huge.
 
OK, I'll bite. What, specifically, will that change look like? What do you see changing about your daily life? How, specifically, will he set us right?

I will say I never expect overnight change, however, one way I would personally hope to see some change,if Obama is elected, is in our energy problem. This is an issue I think that maybe we could see coming to fruition. In that I mean the government putting pressure on the automakers to start creating more fuel efficient cars. I think this may happen, although it is shocking when you think about he 1970s gas crisis and that not a thing was done to try an alleviate our oil needs. I really don't expect a conservative to embrace a "green" issue as strongly as a dem. I feel that his statements about working to get the car companies to build more fuel efficent cars could really happen now becasue of the increased care of the public on green issues and the current gas crisis. :hippie:

Maybe I am nuts:) but I actually think he will be an exciting president...it's good to see all of the young involvement and he has energized a lot of people.
 
Many ways but I will give you one because of the context of our discussion here-
My children (& the rest of this country) will be able to look at the cover of a newspaper & not be able to point out the next president to me when faced w/ a young black man & an old white man faster than blinking an eye.
That may seem like a very small insignificant change to some, but I think the trickle down effect can be huge.

So any young black man would be sufficient for that, right? Why does it need to be Obama (other than he's the one running)?
 
I'm glad you said JMHO, because how can you justify this? How do you know that white people rarely think that race matters? Because IMO they definitely do. Where did you get the 10% figure? Just asking.

Simply put, because I am a white people, and I've grown up and lived most of my 36 years in a state with a very small minority population. I've seen real racism, and heard racist comments come from people that I used to respect. At the same time, I've also lived outside this state for a period, and was exposed to a much more diverse population. I've talked to people of different races, and heard the resentment.

But in the end...yes, it is simply my opinion, based on those experiences and on my own research through reading. BTW...if you ever get the opportunity to hear Cornell West speak, I highly recommend it!

Well, yes and no. In the sense that we should never forget so that we never repeat - like the Holocaust, I agree. But we will never be color blind - and we SHOULD be - until we, among MANY other things, stop passing that resentment down from generation to generation.

But it has only really been one full generation, Galahad. That's the problem. Are there people that still rail about slavery? Of course. But that's generally only the lunatic fringe (and let's face it...every group has them). But people that are grandparents today can probably remember very well being humiliated when they were younger, and even some older parents lived through some of that...all because of their skin color. Should they "get over it"? Probably so, if only for their own mental health. But would you? I'm not sure I would, given those circumstances.

OK, I'll bite. What, specifically, will that change look like? What do you see changing about your daily life? How, specifically, will he set us right?

Specifically, it's hard to put a finger on it because, in the end, the president is dependent on Congress to pass the laws and set the direction in which he wants to lead the country. (At least...that's what a president does that actually understands the constitution. But I digress ;) )

Barack has plenty of specific plans he wants to put in place that I approve of, from health care to foreign policy to affirmative action for the poor instead of based on race. But in the end, the thing I believe he will most do is change the tone of politics in Washington. He has a history of finding compromise between two sides on issues where people are usually so entrenched that they refuse to even contemplate any middle ground.

Also, don't discount the importance of inspirational speaking. There is a reason that "Ask not what your country can do for you" and "The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself" and "Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall" are carved on our national memory...and it ain't because the speeches were heavy on the policy wonk side of things. :teeth:
 
So any young black man would be sufficient for that, right? Why does it need to be Obama (other than he's the one running)?

Well I happen to think that Obama is the best person for the job of the three candidates, besides the usual platform answers I could give...
He does not owe as much in Washington as the other two candidates & between him & McCain I see Obama being around alot longer & having to be held accountable for all of his actions while in Office. I actually think that this country needs a fresh persective.
You asked what change we could see from Obama being elected, I gave you a very personal, very real change that I would see, your response is a little underwhelming to me actually.
 

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