Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

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The hate watchers did not disappoint! I really appreciate the commitment to the hate. Pages and pages of fun.

And yet you continue to hate watch this thread. I dont know what your goal is , if all you have to contribute is repeated cackles of "this thread is comedy gold!" then great I guess? Enjoy!

But I am not sure what pleasure you are receiving out of mocking and harassing fellow posters, but you sure are into it!
 
Resistant maybe, but they have moved with the times.
Just a few things off the top of my head - Charles and Diana, Anne and Mark and Sarah and Andrew all divorced. Oh and Margaret and Tony Armstrong Jones.
Anne and Charles re married, were allowed to keep their titles and their place in line to the throne.
William and Catherine lived together before they got married - This would have been unheard of in previous years.
More recently, Beatrice, Andrew and Sarah's daughter married a man who has a child from a previous relationship. I'm not sure if he had been married. So he wasn't squeaky clean!

I guess when I think of what it means for a society or insitutuon to "move into the future" I mean for people to be treated more equally (yeah I know... already screwed when talking about a monarchy LOL).... and social opportunites where people of color or various identities and sexualities are not feeling marginlized. People getting divorced and allowed to remarry is not really "being in the future" in my mind.
 
The therapy thing... I don't believe she was denied help. Even Charles got help for Diana way back in the 80's when such things were far more "taboo." Granted, it didn't seem to help, but if Charles could get help for Diana way back then, then Harry surely could have gotten Me-again help now.
To this point, what prevented Meghan from finding help on her own? I know living within the confines of the Royals is incredibly restrictive, but to my knowledge, Meghan was not a prisoner being held against her will. It is not the responsibility of the family to bestow mental health counseling on her. She had every right to take the bull by the horns and help herself, or rely on Harry to help her with it.
 

It’s been obvious for ages that Harry has unresolved mommy issues. But now he seems he has a lot of daddy anger too. And he was trapped, but he never KNEW he was trapped until Meghan came along?!?!

It was cowardly and calculating of them to say negative things about so many family members, knowing their accusations cannot be challenged. But it’s what I expected.
 
To this point, what prevented Meghan from finding help on her own? I know living within the confines of the Royals is incredibly restrictive, but to my knowledge, Meghan was not a prisoner being held against her will. It is not the responsibility of the family to bestow mental health counseling on her. She had every right to take the bull by the horns and help herself, or rely on Harry to help her with it.

She sure seemed to have no struggle finding her own doctors or hospital to take care of her for her first child birth. The hand wringing only surfaces when it fits her victim narrative.
 
To this point, what prevented Meghan from finding help on her own? I know living within the confines of the Royals is incredibly restrictive, but to my knowledge, Meghan was not a prisoner being held against her will. It is not the responsibility of the family to bestow mental health counseling on her. She had every right to take the bull by the horns and help herself, or rely on Harry to help her with it.
But she said they took her driver’s license,passport and her keys so she couldn’t go herself. Don’t forget she couldn’t call an Uber either. Weren’t they living in there own house than?

I have seen other Royals driving why was everything taken?
 
To this point, what prevented Meghan from finding help on her own? I know living within the confines of the Royals is incredibly restrictive, but to my knowledge, Meghan was not a prisoner being held against her will. It is not the responsibility of the family to bestow mental health counseling on her. She had every right to take the bull by the horns and help herself, or rely on Harry to help her with it.
She was able to keep her team of lawyers in the US while she was in the UK. She apparently was allowed communication to the outside world.
 
I never cared for monarchies! Seriously why do we still have them?
But wow! Some mean spirited people on this thread. What do you expect from tabloids when we have normal people like this!!
It is how countries were formed in the olden days, but nowadays, they are symbols of unity and can bring people together. That's something republics cannot always say with their chosen heads of state, which causes usually more division nowadays.
A royal house is above politics and that's worth a lot. Especially in times of crisis, you saw it in the UK with the speeches of the queen in Corona times.
There are benefits to living in a kingdom.
 
But she said they took her driver’s license,passport and her keys so she couldn’t go herself. Don’t forget she couldn’t call an Uber either. Weren’t they living in there own house than?

I have seen other Royals driving why was everything taken?

I wondered that myself. Could it be that Meghan wasn't confident driving in the UK as its the opposite side of the road to driving in the US, so she decided to give up driving?
 
It is how countries were formed in the olden days, but nowadays, they are symbols of unity and can bring people together. That's something republics cannot always say with their chosen heads of state, which causes usually more division nowadays.
A royal house is above politics and that's worth a lot. Especially in times of crisis, you saw it in the UK with the speeches of the queen in Corona times.
There are benefits to living in a kingdom.
A great leader in a democracy can also be a symbol of unity. That is BS they are feeding people to justify their existence! Oh well, time to move away from this thread.
 
To this point, what prevented Meghan from finding help on her own? I know living within the confines of the Royals is incredibly restrictive, but to my knowledge, Meghan was not a prisoner being held against her will. It is not the responsibility of the family to bestow mental health counseling on her. She had every right to take the bull by the horns and help herself, or rely on Harry to help her with it.
I also call BS on her not being allowed to go out for lunch with friends. Royals are often out and about in town. The Duchess of Cambridge is out shopping and lunching all the time from what I see in the press.
 
I especially find the comments here about Megan disclosing suicidal thoughts and seeking therapy very troubling.

I am a survivor of suicide, what it does to the family, the people left behind is devestating. I hope no one ever has to understand the pain of being a family survivor. We need to treat mental health with the respect it deserves. If someone discloses information about their mental health we owe them the benefit of the doubt and to take them seriously.

How DARE anyone make light of someone's mental health struggles... and accusing people of lying or being diisingenuous is exactly that.

So what exactly does someone who is struggling look like? Are they always obvious? Always poor...
No one expected Robin Williams to kill himself... Kate Spade... Anthony Bourdain.
Bingo. It just goes to show how stigmatized it still remains.
Nobody is making light of the fact that she had mental issues. Or suicidal thoughts. How much of the question and criticism is the fact that it’s highly unbelievable that she looked for help and was refused. Simply based on the fact that her he himself was open that he had therapy And that mental health was one of their main platforms for many Royals
There are several posts on this thread explicitly saying “I think she’s lying about her suicidal thoughts.” You can judge her other claims to your heart’s desire, but it’s nobody’s place to judge or question a story like that. You can loathe her but we all should respect the weight of sharing a story like that and she deserves to be believed, because for the many others who have those sorts of feelings who are thinking about coming forward, they see commentary and like that and think “nobody will believe me” or “maybe it’s just all in my head,” and the consequences can be deadly. Each struggle with mental health is different, and who am I to accuse her of lying about feelings that only she truly would know. Suicide still remains heavily stigmatized, and posts like that just perpetuate the stigma.
It’s a good question. I also wondered why a strong, intelligent, mature, independent woman such as Meghan couldn’t have just gotten help for herself when she started realizing she was going down a bad path?
First of all, it’s not on her to get herself help. This is the oldest mental health stigma in the book. When somebody’s in a burning building, do we say it’s totally on them to get themselves out? No we call people with the resources to get them out for help. It doesn’t matter how strong, intelligent, mature, whatever you are, those thoughts can be debilitating. This way of thinking is why so many people who are around people who have these thoughts turn a blind eye. “They’re smart; I’m sure they’ll work it out.” That can have deadly consequences.

But let’s assume she or her husband did actively try to get help, as they claim. I truly think that this was one of the largest points of the interview you missed: once you become part of the Royal Family, you cede all your agency and personal control. I think we all say we understand that, but until one actually does it, one doesn’t understand what a complete transformation of lifestyle it is, especially for an American. She talked about not having possession of her own passport and driver’s license, needing permission to go mostly anywhere, and being hounded by the press. She at one point said “It’s not like I could just call an Uber.” It doesn’t seem like either of them could do a whole lot on their own, and frankly, if she told “the Firm” she was having these thoughts, then that in and of itself was a huge way of getting herself help. If she says they didn’t respond adequately from her perspective, who am I to judge that story? It’s her story about her own mental health problems. Again, it shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that any family/institution that cares about public perception would discourage one of its members from seeking that kind of help (which would be impossible to hide), because it happens all the time, just in much smaller settings.

You can despise everything else she said but a little empathy and compassion on the mental health front would go along way, not just for her but for every person who watched that interview and genuinely thought “I feel that” or “I’ve been there.” Sometimes people let their personal feelings over celebrities eclipse actually important things like that.
 
You can give up driving without having your license taken away.
It’s not on her to “fix” her mental health. See my previous post. You can loathe everything else about her, but when it comes to mental health, empathy and compassion is the way to go, not just for her but anyone watching who might have related to what she is saying. They’re watching the world react too.
 
My question is, if you wanted your first, no wait, second wedding "just for you", why did you just share that information? I was surprised that would be allowed as the televised event would have actually been a vow renewal ceremony.

No, actually. I did the same thing, and in both cases, definitely a wedding. In our case, we did it for 2 reasons, one legal and one sentimental. We were traveling (domestically) to get married where most of my family live, but could not logistically manage to apply for and get a marriage license in that state due to mandated waiting periods. Also, my DH's grandparents were too old and disabled to travel. So, we got a marriage license in the state where we live, had a private civil ceremony here the following day with only his family present, and a religious ceremony in a different state 3 days later, using the same marriage license both times. The Church accepted the license for validation of the religious ceremony, and was able to only because a civil ceremony had already been performed in the state where the license was issued. In H&M's case, the first ceremony was performed by the Archbishop of Canterbury but may not have been validated by a license; in fact probably was not, or someone would have noticed the license being filed with an earlier date and let the cat out of the bag.
 
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