Is DVC a "Good Deal" for Dave Ramsey Fans??

We have no other debt except our mortgage, so we are not debt-free. Won't say we are debt-free until mortgage is paid off, and that will be approx. 8 -9 years from now. We have education funds, savings, retirement too. We paid cash, and paid a little tiny bit of interest for a small amount, as hubby is a bank manager, so we paid next to nothing. Had it paid off in a very short time, so don't forget to add any interest incurred to your actual cost of vacations.

DVC is an expensive upfront purchase. Initial buy-in will cost thousands of dollars, plus you have dues on those points. We own 360 points, so our dues are $1700.00/year. We spend approx. 2 weeks each summer in a DVC 1 bedroom villa, and with all costs, it is about $4500.00, and that is because we have drastically cut our food budget. We also plan our trips 51 weeks apart, to save on our Annual Pass too. When we were splurging on food, our vacations cost us way more. The cost for us, is pretty much what we were spending to stay in a moderate hotel. But, we only used to go for 1 week at a time, so we are getting longer vacations, but with that, comes more expenses, but not anymore, as we have drastically cut our food budget. We actually use the DVC kitchen, and this will be a huge savings over the years of owning DVC.

Although DVC will save on accommodations costs over the long-run, it won't on other purchases such as tickets, food, etc. Because of a false sense of savings, we took extra vacations when we first bought DVC, and splurged hugely on food.This is not how we normally vacationed, so it cost us way more to own DVC. Because of this, in the 7 years since we bought DVC, we have spent almost $70,000 on Disney vacations. That includes: buy-in, add-ons, tickets, food, transportation. All associated costs with going to WDW on vacation. Now, we still have 42+ years of WDW vacations ahead of us, but that is a boatload of money.

At this point, we have now cut out extra trips, and are eating almost all meals in our villa. This will save a good chunk of money.

We are also at a point where we want to go elsewhere on vacation, and we didn't really factor that into our decision either. This may be a consideration for you too.

My point is that DVC is expensive. We get perks to save on tickets, shopping and food, but those are not guaranteed and can go away at anytime. If that happens, our costs will then go up.

We don't follow Dave Ramsay, but I would think he would say no to DVC, as it's a luxury purchase, and you are not debt-free, since you still owe on your house, but this may not be a consideration for you, as you may not be following all parts of his program. You need to do what is best for your family.

I wish you luck. Please visit our DVC boards, ask questions and research!

Good luck in your decision, Tiger :)
 
Don't forget the initial buy in cost of DVC (anywhere from $15,000-$25,000 on average).

Oh absolutely. Although, my initial buy-in was $8300 including closing costs. I've wanted to go back and make a log of places I've stayed WITH my DVC points compared to what it would have been if I booked it with cash and see if I've "saved" enough to cover my buy-in costs. That's the kind of geek I am.:rotfl:
 
I have heard lots of negative comments about timeshares not being a good investment..I agree for the most part, but what about DVC?

Just wanted to reiterate what Crisi said...it might be a good value, but never think of a timeshare as an *investment*. You'll most likely only ever get good times and good memories from it...but not a good return on it if you sell it.

I think if you go into it that way you'll be better off (and it's a good way to shush non-timeshare people, because the only way many people ever think of timeshares is as an "investment", so if you're paradigm for owning it is different it quiets them!).

I don't know about if the mortgage should be paid or not, but he certainly wouldn't want you to finance it. For us, meh, financing DVC was the second to last push that made us realize we were living on the edge, so even if I could go back in time I wouldn't change it, as we would NEVER have gotten a clue if we hadn't done that.

I don't recommend it, though. It's just what happened with us. :3dglasses
 


First problem is that DVC is not a typical timeshare in that you can travel at any time of the year, and you are not locked into a week, like he is speaking about in his response.

Secondly, I don't know many mutual funds that get 12% return on investment. That is pretty darn good! I know we had $15,000 in our main savings account last month, and got pennies in interest. :rotfl:

I will agree that you are locked into a timeshare, and most go down in value, but Disney pretty much holds its own, for the most part. DVC resales are lower now, but once you take out your actual vacations, most people are saying on the DVC boards that they did ok once they sold. The locked in part is the dues though, and once you pay those, you need to go on your trips, or you are throwing money out the window. DVC allows us to bank and borrow, so that's good too.

Just a few things to consider, Tiger
 
DVC really hasn't held its own since 2008. And, my opinion, they are overbuilding - it won't hold its own in the future. While supply was tight and demand was sufficient and Disney was willing to hold up resale prices via Right of First Refusal, resales could and did hold their value. But they haven't lately. And I don't think Disney will exercise ROFR as much as they did three years ago ever again. I'd look for MORE restrictions on resale purchases to keep the "value" of buying direct from Disney, and a move to higher pressure sales techniques and tempting sales perks (like "your current trip is FREE if you buy DVC now!")
 
I think Dave Ramsey has some good principles but in the end OP has to decide whether it's worth it to her or not, independently of what DR says.

There were just a few posts to the effect that Ramsey would say it was ok if everything were paid off, and he would not. People always call him and say 'but what if {it's disney, it's____, it's ____} and his answers NEVER change. (which is why I never listen to it anymore.)

As for the 12% number, he would say that the average growth of the stock market overall from 1926-1999 was 11% and 1990-99 was 18%. He gets questioned on the 12% number all the time and his answer on that never changes either.
 
I think Dave Ramsey has some good principles but in the end OP has to decide whether it's worth it to her or not, independently of what DR says.

There were just a few posts to the effect that Ramsey would say it was ok if everything were paid off, and he would not. People always call him and say 'but what if {it's disney, it's____, it's ____} and his answers NEVER change. (which is why I never listen to it anymore.)

As for the 12% number, he would say that the average growth of the stock market overall from 1926-1999 was 11% and 1990-99 was 18%. He gets questioned on the 12% number all the time and his answer on that never changes either.

The average growth of stock from 1999-2009 was -5%.

I never use 12% myself. I use 8% for planning, hope to get 10% and would be delighted with 12%. I'm not planning on having my money in the stock market for 72 years, so I have to live with whatever the return turns out to be for a much shorter period of time. I think its irresponsible to set the expectation at 12% if you intend to use the money over anything approaching a short term (like a decade). And that's why I've never listened to Dave Ramsey.
 
My DH and I are going through FPU and by next year, we should be DEBT-FREE!!:cool1: Not including our mortgage. My question is, I have heard lots of negative comments about timeshares not being a good investment..I agree for the most part, but what about DVC? Someone pointed out that you can use the points for Disney Cruises and also if you have the ability to travel off-season(which is our situation), it can be a great deal. We only travel every other year to Florida, so we could easily bank our points to use double points. Any Dave Ramsey fans out there who own DVC..why and what is the best advantage to owning versus renting DVC??
Thanks in advance!!!:goodvibes

Timeshares are not investment vehicles. they are in a nutshell pre paid lodging. They are a hedge against inflation that's it. Think of it like this, it's a luxury purchase no different than buying a mercedes.

For us it was an excellent buy.,
1) we always stay deluxe
2) we purchased before disney went discount mania
3) we get larger accomadations ( a must when we travel since all the males in my family are over 6 ft tall)
4) Renting requires a bit of a leap of faith.

We have since paid for our dvc just in the number of trips we've taken.
 
OP, please keep in mind that while buying resale will save you money, those contracts purchased now will not allow you to use those points for the Disney Cruise line.

We purchased DVC and have paid it off in full. We never thought of it as an investment. We knew we would be going to WDW yearly, we like deluxe resorts, and the larger rooms we get with DVC. It was a choice we made and we are very happy with it, no regrets at all. For us it's just prepaid rooms at a place we love to visit.
 
We've run the numbers twice and for us it wasn't right. We go yearly for 8-10 days and this is our 11th yr in a row. We haven't spent nearly the cost of a DVC. Moderates are a great choice for us, although when DD was younger she liked ASMo and POP so we stayed there.
 
We have been DVC owners for nearly 7 years. It has been one of the best purchases we have ever made ...aside from our pre-paid college tuition plan :thumbsup2.

We purchased DVC when the initial investment was right above 10K - we have use of our points until 2054. Our family travels to WDW a minimum of two to three times (or more!) a year so we definitely get great use and value of our points year in and year out.

Another deciding factor for us was inflation. We started going to WDW in the mid 1990's when the nightly rack rate for a moderate resort was under $100 per night including tax. That rate today is closer to $200! We have a 20 year daughter and an 11 year old son who (we hope) will pass along their love of Disney to their children. DH and I are happy that we can share/give our DVC points to them so that their children will be able to experience and enjoy Disney as our kids did :)

Just my $.02 :)
 
Yes, using the word, "investment", was a poor choice..that's not what it is!!
Thanks for all the input, we wouldn't want to purchase until all our financial ducks are in a row, but certainly owning DVC makes a worthwhile goal to work toward!:thumbsup2
 
As a Dave Ramsey follower who decided to buy DVC, I can say with some conviction that it is a personal choice he would have no problem with if you were debt free EXCEPT the house and can pay cash for the purchase. The house is a long term purchase and the only thing he can see a 15 year payoff on. We did the math and it was close enough either way that we decided to make the leap and purchase. I do not regret the decision as we have stayed in resorts we never wanted to spring for and by playing the low season travel game have been able to take 2 trips a year to disney instead of one for the last couple years. We can nearly double the value of the points this way and come out well ahead by doing this. We make use of the kitchens in the DVC condo's, eat as if we were at home and consider food a break even expense. We are essentially getting the second trip down for the cost of gas. It all comes down to personal choice based on personal situation. If we had to travel high season our math would change drastically , but for us DVC , though not an investment, is a cost effective vacation plan.

Drew
 
As a Dave Ramsey follower who decided to buy DVC, I can say with some conviction that it is a personal choice he would have no problem with if you were debt free EXCEPT the house and can pay cash for the purchase.

Again, OP has to decide what's right for her and her family but Dave Ramsey is unequivocally against timeshares.
 
150 points would get you a 1 BR in some of the DVC for most months. Sun - Fri.

Let's use Saratoga Springs as a base. It has the 2054 use year so you get more mileage out of your membership. 45-46 years.

$60 per point.

Maintenance dues are currentlly $4.5 per point.

purchase price [not including closing fee] $60 * 150 = $9000

yearly maintenance dues [flat assumption although we know they will go up so it will be higher potentially each year]. $4.5 * 150 = $675 * 45 years = $30375 maintenance fees
+ initial investment of $9000

=$39375
divided by use years 45
= $875 per year * [this will go up based on maintenance fees]

150 points gets you 1 1 bedroom at several locations most months or 1 week SAT-SAT in studio [with extra to bank in some locations] or 2 Sun-Fri studio visits, etc....

Dave is against timeshares no matter what. But he is all for luxury when you can pay cash. Live Give and Save.

TRISH
 
If you have even just one child school-age, then you could get a great deal on tickets.... just look into Disney's YES program for individual enrollment :) We are getting our tickets at close to half off!
 
Dave Ramsey is adamantl against timeshares of any kind. Even if it is your version of his boat.:rolleyes:

However, if it works with your Dave Ramsey debt free budget--consider it as a boat and get it without a second thought.

But don't for one minute believe that he would support it or his strictest followers would support it.

But this is why they call it PERSONAL finance.

Boats and cars go down in value--Dave has both.;) A timeshare is just a different toy.:confused3
 
If you have even just one child school-age, then you could get a great deal on tickets.... just look into Disney's YES program for individual enrollment :) We are getting our tickets at close to half off!

There is no guarantee YES tickets will continue to be offered, or continue to be offered with such loose rules.
 
We personally don't think it is a good deal for us, but I wouldn't tell anyone who paid cash and has no other debt (maybe minus the mortgage) that they shouldn't do it.

But for us, no.

Dawn
 












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