Is Disney Losing It????

I just wanted to copy the thread from the moderator about May hours and specifically Wishes:

The DIS has the May Hours for ThemeParks coming soon.. (later tonight early tomorrow morning..)

Some parades and shows information is not up to date yet from Disney.. specifically WISHES... .. but the basic operating hours are in place and are now posted

http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/hours.htm

If you read this please feel free to bump it.

Thanks,

Knox

To me it sounds like the Wishes schedule has not been released yet, so I dn't really get why everyone is panicing that they won't get to see Wishes on their trip? :confused3
 
Here's what I think about Disney and "cutbacks". I think we should all stop and think about what Disney does not charge for and ask ourselves if we really want them to begin that instead of cutting back on posting park hours.

They could charge to park at the resorts, to use the internal transportation, or for FastPasses. Think about how much money they could generate just by charging $1 per day per person for each one of those now free things. How about the now free Magical Express? A simple $10 per person charge could generate lots of dollars for Disney that way.

Everyone complains about cutbacks but if we don't have cutbacks, we will get up front charges instead.

I agree...Six Flags charges quite a bit for their version of a fastpass and most things at WDW are actually cheaper than at other related places; it cost us MORE to go to Cedar Point this summer for 3 days than it did for 3 days at WDW. The food prices at Cedar Point were outrageous.

I love WDW, but I also don't think WDW should be immune to complaints by those of us who love it most. I am always amazed at the people on here who get defensive whenever someone criticizes WDW. They ARE a business, they do things wrong sometimes...I also know that the "magic" is what you make it. I've heard people complain about the castmembers, but I also know as a manager of a large business where I have contact with hundreds if not thousands of people a day, the public's behavior has eroded over the 20 years I've worked full-time. A little smile & positive manners go a long way.
 
Frustrating? Yes Lost the Magic? Not Yet!!
I have a pretty broad perspective - my first trip to WDW was in 1972 and I took my kids every 5 years while they were growing up - now I am retired and able to take my kids, grands, nephew and friends a few times a year. Each time Disney makes a change we all hate it - then you make the next trip and still find the magic - and, honestly, I have to say overall there are always new things to look forward to - so I certainly don't feel like they aren't putting any effort into their 'product' at all. Just this morning I was telling DD that I am booking breakfast at the Poly for DGrD and I - I haven't been to that breakfast (now Lilo and Stitch) since it was Minnie's Minnehuena (sp?!) back when they were little girls!! And since Nov. there are new shows and parades at MK and a new attraction at DHS and Kim Possible at Epcot.

Once I get over my frustration, I am glad to see that Disney is securing a future for the parks - everywhere I go I am surrounded by people loosing their jobs, having their wages and hours cut back so their bosses can try and survive this economy - so in the big picture I am just feeling blessed that I have the money left to vacation with and help keep WDW going (at least DH thinks that's what I'm doing;) ) so my grandkids will take their kids there. In my experience, when the money is rolling in, disney fills the schedule back in again. Here's to better days!

Well said!!!:cheer2: :cheer2: :cheer2:
 
What do you mean? My local Target store has their hours posted and they haven't changed in years. Most stores post their hours and you can count on those hours not changing for years. They don't post that their hours are only good for the next three months and then release some new hours.

Disney has been in this business long enough to know how their business operates. They can probably predict fairly close many years in advance what their park hours will be. Their hours change seasonally and are probably on a pretty consistent schedule.

I don't think you can compare Target to Disney. The types of business are totally different. Disney must consider a lot more things before deciding hours than most retail businesses.

I'm not saying that it isn't a good idea for Disney to publish their hours early. I'm just saying that they are not obligated to do so. During this time of economic issues, they must wait to see what will happen as far as booking trends before announcing hours. If they were to announce in advance and then change the hours due to low bookings, people would get upset. Either way, it looks like they can't win.
 

I think the hardest thing about the hours only being released 3 months out and the now 90 day ADR's is that we LOVE to start planning our trips the minute we make our room reservations. We now have to sit and wait an extra 3 months before we can really start planning.
So we all are experiencing "Planning Withdrawals" early in our planning stages.
It will take some getting used to and maybe some therapy ;) but we will survive.:goodvibes

I understand what you're saying, but although we can't make ADRs 6 mo out, we can start planning by looking over menus and reading reviews :scratchin to have our choices ordered by preference (in case we can't get something) by the 90 mark. That way, we make ADRs once rather changing them 10 times because we second guess ourselves for 3 months.
 
it seems to me that some of the magic is slowly going away. :flower3:

It always amazes me that anytime Disney makes even the slightest change someone says Disney is losing the magic.
If that were true they would be out of business already because WDW has been changing since day 1.

To prove it: The Electric Water Pageant has been running nightly since Day 2.

It's the changes that keep the magic going.
If they remove a ride, it will always have been someones favorite.
same with a store, resturant or anything.
But yet they continue to make changes and putting in new even more popular things.
And more and more people keep coming and coming back frequently.

My guess is after 37 years they have gotten pretty good at knowing when it's time to change or replace or redo something.
And someday, Disney-fans will learn to give them the benifit of the doubt.
 
I am not quite understanding all the people complaining that the park hours not being posted 6 months out due to planning ADRs. With the new 90 day policy knowing the park hours 6 months out really doenst help with that aspect of the planning.
 
I am loving the 90 day ADR. I was able to get everything I wanted, when last year that was very hard.
I have a question, though...Where can you see what days and times there are Wishes and Illuminations? The site changed, and I cannot find it anywhere.
 
I agree 100% with the new 90 day rule I got everything I wanted too!
 
I am not quite understanding all the people complaining that the park hours not being posted 6 months out due to planning ADRs. With the new 90 day policy knowing the park hours 6 months out really doenst help with that aspect of the planning.


You can't plan which park you're going to be at on each day if you don't know when the special shows are going to happen. For example, say I really want to eat at Hollywood and Vine and I want to see Fantasmic!. Even if I have a whole 7 days at the parks, if I don't know when Fantasmic! is playing (because the schedule isn't released yet) then how am I going to know which day to plan to make ADR's for the restaurant since I don't know which day I am going to be in DHS so that I can see the show?

I'm not saying it's necessary for Disney to put the calendar out 180 days before the month you're going, but honestly - 10 days before the first of the month would be a really nice gesture for the people who are planning on going on the first of the month (90 days from then.) Otherwise, we're stuck trying to plan the entire thing in ONE day - and that is if the DIS happens to get the hours the day before they're scheduled to be released. And in the case of May - the Wishes and Fantasmic! schedules aren't even complete so it still doesn't help.
 
Is Disney losing the magic? I can only speak for myself. I understand the economic downturn, and Disney need to make a profit. That's the only way they can stay open. But if we are all honest with ourselves, most of us come to Disney to escape the day to day activities that we face in our workplace or at home.

A very small thing that Disney could do, enforce the rules they have on he books. Most of us come for the magical moments. We park our cars, don't read the newspapers, or watch TV. We simple want to send one week not worrying about what's going on in the world.

We don't want to fight with people pushing in front of us at a parade. We don't want to get mad over the line jumpers, or people or tour groups that allow more then two or three people to come ahead of us in line. We don't want to see people smoking in the middle of the park, (not in an allowed smoking area) we just want to relax and not worry about anything.

Simple? sure.... but if the Disney employee's would just enforce the rules, I think a lot of the problems we all see at Disney, would just fade into the background and the magic that we all want to see, would start to come back.pixiedust:

I agree with this 100%!!!

And, I too like the idea of 90 days!! For many reasons, if for no other reason, as my trip gets closer, I find I want to change my ADRs and my plans for park visits and so forth, so this way I'm not locked into an ADR and don't have to worry about changing it, I still have a chance of getting what I want. Plus I see Disney's reason for it, they can better plan their manning for the days as well as having maybe fewer trip cancellations. I sure someone gets paid a pretty penny to come up with these ideas. But I am sure that Disney knows what they are doing, or we all wouldn't keep going back year after year.

If you are really in need of having park hours for your trip this early, go to the park hours on the DIS home page and you can get an idea of what they should look like, keeping in mind that some things might change (ie: Fantasmic, Wishes or even a shortening of hours and EMHs), and plan from there and please stop finding ways to complain. All of us are experiencing the same dilemna but we are all trying to make the best of it, and just go with the flow.

Try to have magical planning and a magical trip.
 
Isn't this supposed to be a place to talk about your thoughts and feelings with regard to Disney? That's all I was trying to do and I've got people condeming me for it. To those of you who suggest I try to go somewhere besides Disney if I'm not happy....Where did it say anywhere in my post that I wasn't happy with Disney. I had a concern and wanted to voice my opinion. Now if this DIS board is just for you guys who want to talk down to others, let me know and I'll find another way for share my thoughts and feelings.
For those of you who gave their opinion without bias...thank you!!!! For those who wish to use this to put others down and make others feel stupid for sharing....shame on you.
 
I just wanted to copy the thread from the moderator about May hours and specifically Wishes:



To me it sounds like the Wishes schedule has not been released yet, so I dn't really get why everyone is panicing that they won't get to see Wishes on their trip? :confused3


I agree.
 
I LOVE Disney and it will always be magical to me however I agree that they are losing some of the magic... the parades and other things such as employee attitudes are less then their best..

pixiedust:
 
I read all these posts and I noticed that while a lot of people mentioned the lack of hours causing ADRs and which park which day to be an issue, what about people who only are planning on being down in disney 2 or 3 days. We will be going down there to see family and friends and to try some of the other orlando parks with them. Because the people we will be seing don't want to and can't really afford to go to disney we are adding three extra nights to the beggining of our week. These plans are already basically made and changing the dates especially in June when the Sept. hours come out is impossible. When they do come out if I can't see Wishes and the park closes really early the few nights we are there then as much as I wouldn't want to I may just have to completely cancel my reservation since i have no option to switch my dates around. Disney tickets cost a lot of money for a few days and I know I want to make sure I get my favoruite things in. This should not happen. It is a big and expensive vacation destination and people want to plan early.

Also, as a note my local theme parks, Busch Gardens, Kings Dominion, Water Country all have hours posted through the season (October). Sea World and Aquatica also have hours posted at least through Sept. and Universal I believe when I last checked had hours through August.
 
I am a huge Disney fan and have been to Disneyland 4 times since I was a kid but never to Disney World. Our family has scrimped and saved to go to Disney World for 2 years. My two teens worked this summer to pitch in so we could go. I am okay with cutbacks, however, I am not okay with not communicating in a reasonable time frame. We had to make our ADR's 180 days in advance so we had to rely on the schedule given. We cannot wing it if we want to include dining in our vacation plans. I like the 90 day window for ADR's it seems more reasonable for everyone. I am going to DW in one week and I am not sure what shows are playing or what the hours are. One day the DW drop down menu shows that MK is open till 9:00 the next day it shows the park is open till 8:00. I planned to go to Spectro on Tues, Feb 17 initially, then it disappeared of the schedule. I emailed guest relations and they said it would be on that night then I called and they said it was not on. The Canadian website is different than the US website for next 2 weeks. Now there are no shows listed on either website. I am okay with not knowing the schedule 6 months or even 3 months in advance but not knowing 1 week before your trip is crazy. We live far away and this is probably our only trip to DW so I do expect a certain level of organization re: calender, park hours and show times. I think it is reasonable to expect at least 1 month's notice. I don't think the magic will be gone when we get there, it is just more stressful when you have to shuffle things around and it is near impossible now to change our ADR's. This is our first time to use the dining plan and enjoy the opportunity to eat at some cool places and meet the characters. Also, we just feel when we are spending so much to come that even though we would love to be spontaneous we feel we have to make the most of each day and try not to wander around the parks aimlessly. However, having said all this...I am very thankful we have the opportunity to come and we will have to work around the "glitches".:)
 
Isn't this supposed to be a place to talk about your thoughts and feelings with regard to Disney? That's all I was trying to do and I've got people condeming me for it. To those of you who suggest I try to go somewhere besides Disney if I'm not happy....Where did it say anywhere in my post that I wasn't happy with Disney. I had a concern and wanted to voice my opinion. Now if this DIS board is just for you guys who want to talk down to others, let me know and I'll find another way for share my thoughts and feelings.
For those of you who gave their opinion without bias...thank you!!!! For those who wish to use this to put others down and make others feel stupid for sharing....shame on you.
You stated your opinion ... others stated theirs. That's all. I've read through all of the posts here and didn't see anyone "condemning" you. I see them not liking the idea of someone even mildly dissing Disney, but this is a Disney fan board, after all ... one would expect that. I didn't see anyone talking down to you, but that's my perception and not yours. Even the person suggesting you try someplace else did so in (I thought) a very friendly and polite way and offered it as a suggestion, not as a criticism.

:earsboy:
 
A very small thing that Disney could do, enforce the rules they have on he books. Most of us come for the magical moments. We park our cars, don't read the newspapers, or watch TV. We simple want to send one week not worrying about what's going on in the world.

We don't want to fight with people pushing in front of us at a parade. We don't want to get mad over the line jumpers, or people or tour groups that allow more then two or three people to come ahead of us in line. We don't want to see people smoking in the middle of the park, (not in an allowed smoking area) we just want to relax and not worry about anything.
This kind of comment always kind of confuses me. I understand that none of us want line-jumpers, rude people, etc., but the thing that makes me scratch my head is "We don't want to fight ... we don't want to get mad ..." If we don't want to do these things, then ... well ... we shouldn't. I am the only one who controls whether a tour group makes me angry. I'm the only one who can decide if I'm going to fight with someone about a parade spot. That's my call, not Disney's.

Frankly, in all my days in the parks, I seldom see someone smoking in a non-smoking area. Maybe I've just been lucky. But I've seen many a CM reminding people that where they're smoking is NOT a smoking area. The guest does not always comply, but the CMs are doing their best.

As for people pushing in front of us at a parade .... the onus is on us to complain. If there's a CM nearby, flag them down, point to the people and say, "Those folks pushed in front of me." And then be prepared for a battle of sorts, because those pushy people will certainly deny it. And so then you have a CM who didn't see it happen having to make a value call as to whether you are right or the other folks are right. And even then, CMs are limited to what they can do. If they side with you and tell the pushy people they will need to move back ... let's say the pushy people move back. The CM is not going to stand there for the entire parade and make sure the pushy people behave themselves. They have other things to deal with ... other pushy people or lost kids or whatever. So then, the pushy people come back and push through again. So, you find another CM and it starts over. It's not like Disney can inject a chip in a pushy person's head that instantly makes them polite. Nor can they really eject someone from the park for one incident. Sure, those people may have been pushy all day long. But if you were the only one to report it, all the CM knows is that they were pushy once.

Same with the tour groups. I know it's surprising to imagine, but there are actual tour operators that Disney will not allow on their property any more because of how those tour groups behaved. So they have and will deny access to touring prices and deals and such to groups who do not follow the rules. But short of assigning a batch of CMs to monitor each tour group, it's hard to police these groups all day long. Most guests who are bothered by a tour group never report it anywhere but someplace like the DIS. And at that point, it can't be fixed. They don't call over a CM, they don't go to guest relations, they don't complain in the moment. They complain afterwards ... when they (and the tour group) are gone.

People do have a belief that all CMs are all-seeing and all-powerful, but most are not. They're college kids or seniors or people trying to get by on a minimum wage job, and they didn't take any classes in group mentality or chaos theory or psychology or negotiation. Imagine yourself in their position. You're 20 years old, first job. It's hot, crowded, and you see someone not "sliding all the way to the left" at a venue. You walk up there and say to them, "I'm sorry, but I need you to slide all the way over." They refuse. You ask nicely again. They refuse and yell at you that they paid their money to be here and they can sit wherever they darn please. Now ... how long are you going to stand there trying to move this unmovable object? How willing are you to fall on a sword for that?

Disney can only do so much. But if I don't want to spend my vacation angry at people for jumping a line, then it's me who needs to decide that. And I also have to decide to help police the place too, just like I keep track of my purse at the grocery store or my kids on the playground. If I'm not willing to take the time and energy to find a CM, make a complaint or make Disney (not the DIS, but actually writing to Disney) aware of a problem, then I'm kind of asking for the impossible!

JMHO
:earsboy:
 
Isn't this supposed to be a place to talk about your thoughts and feelings with regard to Disney? That's all I was trying to do and I've got people condeming me for it. To those of you who suggest I try to go somewhere besides Disney if I'm not happy....Where did it say anywhere in my post that I wasn't happy with Disney. I had a concern and wanted to voice my opinion. Now if this DIS board is just for you guys who want to talk down to others, let me know and I'll find another way for share my thoughts and feelings.
For those of you who gave their opinion without bias...thank you!!!! For those who wish to use this to put others down and make others feel stupid for sharing....shame on you.

And that is what people are doing-alking about their thoughts and feelings with regard to Disney in the context of what you posted. An opinion is always biased because it is an opinion. You don't need to "shame" people because they don't agree with your opinion.
 
Isn't this supposed to be a place to talk about your thoughts and feelings with regard to Disney? That's all I was trying to do and I've got people condeming me for it. To those of you who suggest I try to go somewhere besides Disney if I'm not happy....Where did it say anywhere in my post that I wasn't happy with Disney. I had a concern and wanted to voice my opinion. Now if this DIS board is just for you guys who want to talk down to others, let me know and I'll find another way for share my thoughts and feelings.
For those of you who gave their opinion without bias...thank you!!!! For those who wish to use this to put others down and make others feel stupid for sharing....shame on you.

Yes it is.But by now you have learned that your opinion is simply that...your opinion.Some people share it, others do not and that is what discussion forums are about.Not everyone is going to agree with you. One thing I have learned being on these boards as long as I have....you need to develop a thick skin, and don't post something if you don't want feedback of all kinds.
 


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