Is anyone feeling positive?

Personally, I’m CAUTIOUSLY optimistic about the new system. Sure, I don’t like paying for something that used to be free, unless the thing I’m paying for is an improvement. And I think there’s a chance that this could be a net improvement over FP+.

I’ve never experienced MaxPass at DLR, but I do remember the legacy FP system at WDW, and it was great as long as you didn’t mind the legwork (I was the FP runner for my family, and it almost doubled the steps I got in the parks). Of course, it was even better when they didn’t enforce the end of your return time, and you could stack 4-5 premium FP's to run through in the evening, but that’s another matter. I have little to no issue with returning to a similar (but digital) system as long as it works. My main complaint (other than the cost) is that it prioritizes arriving early at the park to start pulling LL passes rather than having your first three scheduled for later in the day if you’re not rope dropping, but we can adjust and learn to live with that. At least we'll be able to pull LL passes before we arrive in the park, so we can start pulling them as early as we want to use later in the day.

As for the individual attraction selections (LL$) – I see a potential upside to this system. Assuming that the vast majority of guests won’t want to pay for access to a single ride, the LL utilization for those rides will be quite low, meaning that the standby lines for those attractions will move much more quickly than they did in the FP+ days. That will actually make access to those rides MORE egalitarian, as most (90%?) guests will be in the same bucket, and hopefully multi-hour waits will be less common. The exception here is ROTR and Ratatouille - allocating some of those rides' capacity to LL$ means it'll be that much harder to score a free boarding pass, so that's not great. But I still hope that the utilization of LL$ is low enough that it won't have a huge effect.

As for the complaint that I’ve seen that people don’t want to spend their vacation staring at their phone, I think we’ll be doing much LESS of that than we were when we constantly refreshed the FP+ listings hoping to score a hard-to-get ride.

We've been going to WDW since 2009, and I've done my research and learned how to maximize legacy FP and FP+. With FP+, we really enjoyed the days of aggressively refreshing to score more rides, and it wasn't unreasonable to do 8-10 FP+ per day if we wanted to. Those days are probably gone, but hopefully so are the days of standby lines moving at a snail's pace because 80-90% of a ride's capacity was allocated to FP+. I'm willing to reserve judgement until we see how the new system is implemented and how well it works in practice.

There are some aspects of FP+ that we’ll miss, but I’m holding out hope that Genie+ will not be a total disaster and MIGHT even be an improvement. If it is, then I won’t complain too much about the $15/day. We'll be back in January, and I'm really hoping they have the kinks worked out by then.
 
Personally, I’m CAUTIOUSLY optimistic about the new system. Sure, I don’t like paying for something that used to be free, unless the thing I’m paying for is an improvement. And I think there’s a chance that this could be a net improvement over FP+.

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Your explanation is very similar to how I feel. We did use MaxPass at DL and were able to get a lot done in a short time. I am pretty optimistic too. Happy to have something we can plan around. I don't love paying more for anything, but its something we know about and can plan to use or not use based on the trip and budget.
 
In short? No.

I'm a long time Disney fan. DH is a former CM. We own DVC. We have been AP holders in the past. We have encouraged many of our friends to go to Disney, and in some cases have gleefully planned their vacations for them. We don't go to WDW multiple times per year like some folks on this board, but we were regular every-other year visitors pre-pandemic. We have paid extra for multiple backstage tours and after-hours events. We have taken DCL cruises and visited Disney parks/hotels outside of Florida. It's not the Genie stuff that's ended my positivity, that's just the final nail in the coffin.

What did we love about WDW? What kept us coming back year after year? Adventurer's Club. Disney Quest. Sorcerors of the MK. The Void. Reasonably priced after-hours events. Fastpass without an upcharge. "Free" airport transportation. Late night swimming. PUSH. Kids clubs and parents' fancy dinner evenings. The Comedy Club. The candy art lady in Japan. The little surprising dashes of pixie dust. All of that is gone.

What are some other things we looked forward to which aren't gone, so much, but which are significantly more difficult to do now? Free internal transportation. Reservations at sit-down locations. Park-hopping. Being spontaneous. Chance character meets. Not rope-dropping. Staying on property (yes, we're DVC, but the recent 50% borrowing cap has forced us to find out that formerly reasonably priced "value" resorts aren't really a value anymore).

What do I have left to encourage friends and family to visit? Rides? I live day-trip distance from Cedar Point, I don't need rides. Disney magic? Where can I find that now? I mean, I get that some things have had to be "paused" because of the pandemic. But how many will actually come back once things return to relative normalcy, and how many will be quietly retired because they were not money-makers for the company? Jedi academy? Package hotel delivery? Streetmosphere and similar shows? And what are the "cool" things to do at WDW now? Make droids/lightsabers (upcharge)? Take mega-zooming photos (upcharge)? Try cute themed cupcakes and ice cream treats (upcharge)? Attend after-hours events for less time and with less activities than in the past (significant upcharge)?

We can afford the upcharges that Genie and LL represent, but....why would we? Having the kind of not-exactly-middle-class-anymore money that lets us easily afford these costs also makes it so that we can visit other places in the world. If I'm going to have to get up at 7am every day of my trip (to schedule rides on Genie), and pay an additional cost for the privilege to do so, then I might just as well take a similarly high-energy trip elsewhere. If WDW no longer represents the easy, fun, relaxing, magical vacation I could always rely on, why would I bother?
 
For me, its not about the $$, but the need to have your phone in your hand most of the day and relying on it for any chance to not be waiting in a ride line for over an hour. Ill gladly (well sort of, if its necessary) pay for FPs, but let me book them before my trip :)
 

Folks sharing their disappointment and being upset are completely valid. I am not trying to deminish that..

but is anyone else out there like me who is feeling more positive about these changes? We already used maxpass at Disneyland so this extra $ for genie isn’t a big deal. I really feel like this will make the experience better for how my family and I enjoy the parks.

as for the up charge rides.. that kinda bums me out but then again I just treat it like other things at the parks that I don’t afford. And I feel fairly confident in my abilities to use the free virtual que or stand by line.

Im just looking to see where my positive minded folks might be or am I all alone?
I have mixed feelings. WDW IS an expensive vacation, let's face it. I may pick and choose a little more, but I love going, it's truly my happy place.
 
Super Positive. Never was much of a fan of having to plan my meals and rides out six months ahead. We also have no problem paying for Genie+, I guess we are one of the few that really love WDW and don't mind the tweaking. Disney is really in a no win situation here: if they don't change anything, people will say their model is getting stagnant and blast them for being resistant to change, when they change, people lament the ways of old. I learned in the military that you cannot please everyone, I'm glad Disney doesn't try.
 
Color me positive.
Pro - Fast Pass of some kind is coming back. Con - It's closer to MaxPass than FP+.
Pro - Purchase/ upgrades are totally optional. Con - we don't know how much the 'good' rides are gonna cost yet.

As for some other issues I keep seeing come up - "you have to be on your phone all day"... um, you just click the pass you want and then you can just put it back in your pocket. You don't have to walk around with phone in hand and the app open all the time?

Getting up at 7am to schedule rides- are we all not already all up before that? Do a lot less people rope drop than I thought?
 
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Folks sharing their disappointment and being upset are completely valid. I am not trying to deminish that..

but is anyone else out there like me who is feeling more positive about these changes? We already used maxpass at Disneyland so this extra $ for genie isn’t a big deal. I really feel like this will make the experience better for how my family and I enjoy the parks.

as for the up charge rides.. that kinda bums me out but then again I just treat it like other things at the parks that I don’t afford. And I feel fairly confident in my abilities to use the free virtual que or stand by line.

Im just looking to see where my positive minded folks might be or am I all alone?
I'm actually feeling overall positive about the Genie+ changes. I haven't had a chance to stay onsite for awhile so the last couple times I went I have been unable to snag a Fastpass for the top tier attractions anyway. I'm hoping with this new set up, and a daily limit on how many you can buy, it will help the standby lines move faster. Also the standard Genie+ for the basic attractions is a pretty cheap/reasonable price to me, and like that it is more like the original Fastpass set up of one at a time and booking in the park day off, not in advance. The fact that it went to paid was just a matter of time to me as every other park chain out there has an additional cost for any sort of skip the line access. So overall I feel like this could result in a better, more relaxed trip planning, and the chance to either get more or better Fastpass and better flow for the standby lines.
 
you just click the pass you want and then you can just put it back in your pocket.
So if the pass you get is for 6 hours from now, you're just going to leave it and not try and move it up or change to something else at an earlier time?
I think that is part of what people are worried about. Similar to what you did with FP+. Get a FP when you could and try and modify it to a better time so you can get another.
If Genie could do that, continually check for LL times and move up my pass to an earlier time when available, then I would be much more excited about it.
Maybe there are those who took what they got and never changed.
 
So if the pass you get is for 6 hours from now, you're just going to leave it and not try and move it up or change to something else at an earlier time?
I think that is part of what people are worried about. Similar to what you did with FP+. Get a FP when you could and try and modify it to a better time so you can get another.
If Genie could do that, continually check for LL times and move up my pass to an earlier time when available, then I would be much more excited about it.
Maybe there are those who took what they got and never changed.

Kinda? If I wanted something else at an earlier time I wouldn't have clicked that ride to start with. If there's a ride that was only available with 6-hour out times that I somehow both failed to rope drop or grab a pass for early (shame on me), I'm going to decide if that 6 hours works for me at that time and pivot the plans around it. I might refresh it somewhere in there to check but I'm certainly not going to spam it for six hours straight hoping it moves.
 
I don't know. I'm so mixed on this. I feel like I could have been okay with Genie+ if ALL attractions had been included. And if I had the option to plan ahead. The upcharge for headliners feels really gross to me. I loved fastpass+, I knew how to plan with it, it was included with my stay, and with young kids it gave me the ability to plan our days ahead of time and know that we would be able to get on our top priority lines without a wait. The "ahead of time" thing is key for me, because as the primary planner, I hate the idea of having to figure this all out on the fly day of. I'd rather make our plans ahead of time (I am planning a spring trip for a large group) than have to stress out, get up at 7am on vacation and cross my fingers hoping for the best. We're going to wind up paying for Genie+ for probably half of the days of our 10 day trip along with some LL. We'll do it because we're committed to our DVC rental trip and we'll do what we have to do to make this one enjoyable, but I'm not super thrilled. I'll give it a chance and try to keep an open mind, but if I'm spending extra on it, it needs to be a *better* experience than FP+ was if I'm going to return again. The whole announcement has me feeling way less excited for this next trip than I normally am for a Disney vacation.
 
In short? No.

I'm a long time Disney fan. DH is a former CM. We own DVC. We have been AP holders in the past. We have encouraged many of our friends to go to Disney, and in some cases have gleefully planned their vacations for them. We don't go to WDW multiple times per year like some folks on this board, but we were regular every-other year visitors pre-pandemic. We have paid extra for multiple backstage tours and after-hours events. We have taken DCL cruises and visited Disney parks/hotels outside of Florida. It's not the Genie stuff that's ended my positivity, that's just the final nail in the coffin.

What did we love about WDW? What kept us coming back year after year? Adventurer's Club. Disney Quest. Sorcerors of the MK. The Void. Reasonably priced after-hours events. Fastpass without an upcharge. "Free" airport transportation. Late night swimming. PUSH. Kids clubs and parents' fancy dinner evenings. The Comedy Club. The candy art lady in Japan. The little surprising dashes of pixie dust. All of that is gone.

What are some other things we looked forward to which aren't gone, so much, but which are significantly more difficult to do now? Free internal transportation. Reservations at sit-down locations. Park-hopping. Being spontaneous. Chance character meets. Not rope-dropping. Staying on property (yes, we're DVC, but the recent 50% borrowing cap has forced us to find out that formerly reasonably priced "value" resorts aren't really a value anymore).

What do I have left to encourage friends and family to visit? Rides? I live day-trip distance from Cedar Point, I don't need rides. Disney magic? Where can I find that now? I mean, I get that some things have had to be "paused" because of the pandemic. But how many will actually come back once things return to relative normalcy, and how many will be quietly retired because they were not money-makers for the company? Jedi academy? Package hotel delivery? Streetmosphere and similar shows? And what are the "cool" things to do at WDW now? Make droids/lightsabers (upcharge)? Take mega-zooming photos (upcharge)? Try cute themed cupcakes and ice cream treats (upcharge)? Attend after-hours events for less time and with less activities than in the past (significant upcharge)?

We can afford the upcharges that Genie and LL represent, but....why would we? Having the kind of not-exactly-middle-class-anymore money that lets us easily afford these costs also makes it so that we can visit other places in the world. If I'm going to have to get up at 7am every day of my trip (to schedule rides on Genie), and pay an additional cost for the privilege to do so, then I might just as well take a similarly high-energy trip elsewhere. If WDW no longer represents the easy, fun, relaxing, magical vacation I could always rely on, why would I bother?

Perfectly stated. This is our gripe with Disney and why we are selling our DVC points for the next few years, until Disney either changes its ways (aka, brings back the magic) or forces us to sell our contracts altogether. I’m still on here hoping for better news in the near future, but this 100% captures our sentiments with Disney.

Genie+ itself isn’t a gamechanger in either direction, it’s just simply the straw that broke the camel’s back. .
 
Perfectly stated. This is our gripe with Disney and why we are selling our DVC points for the next few years, until Disney either changes its ways (aka, brings back the magic) or forces us to sell our contracts altogether. I’m still on here hoping for better news in the near future, but this 100% captures our sentiments with Disney.

Genie+ itself isn’t a gamechanger in either direction, it’s just simply the straw that broke the camel’s back. .

100% agreed. Disney denied cancelling my 3 month DVC contract. I am not about to bring my kids to Florida right now so there's no loss to them but they (as expected) will force me to sell my 200 DIRECT Riveria on the open market.
 

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