Is a church wedding 'open to the public?'

Is a church wedding open to the public?

  • Yes, it's a public event

  • No, no one should attend uninvited

  • Other/sometimes


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...If a parishioner walked into the Church I would bet my farm that your retired Priest would not have informed that person that the service was private so he or she needed to leave. You may believe that to be the case but I have been taught from an early age that a Mass is a Mass is a Mass and that anyone can attend. Perhaps it is different in your Parish but I have never been to a Catholic Church that followed that practice.

But again, if a parish is following that rule and allowing people to be excluded without dispensations, it is schismatic and not Roman Catholic. It's simply not an option for parishes in the Roman Catholic Church to set their own rules.

At the church where I am on staff, if someone noticed the 80 year old woman and she was not invited, we would invite her to use our sacristy or another room in the building for her prayer time.

No one has a right to be at a church at any time. It's a priviledge the church offers to people, but it is not a right to be in a private building on private property. I think people keep missing that point. It's not a public building. It's a ministry to leave the doors open, not a given.

But you're not Roman Catholic, correct? That's where the difference comes from. Roman Catholic churches can close at night, or when they lack staffing (they are not "clubhouses", after all), and at that time they are locked and not open to the faithful. It is considered core to the church to be open to the faith community, however, and to not exclude anybody. Barring issues of safety and law, a Roman Catholic church is not going to exclude any members of the flock from worship. (Now barring you from taking communion is an entirely different issue...)

If you are on the staff of a Roman Catholic church, then your pastor needs to review his canon law ASAP, because it is considered a high crime within the church to deny the faithful access to worship.
 
The reason is because the fundamental core of Catholicism is that we are One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. Unlike most other faiths, the Roman Catholic Church is not run at the local or Diocesan level, it all flows directly from the Holy See, so an action of the type you claim took place at your wedding would be a huge violation of canonical law, of a nature that could have a priest defrocked if it was a systematic behavior. So I just don't think it was likely; it was, however, quite likely that you believed that to be the case, may have even been led to assume that was the case, and that nobody cared to attend your wedding, and that therefore you never knew the difference.

Honestly, I don't care and it's not relevant to me what you believe, but it would be the equivalent of saying that the Hail Mary was said in a Lutheran mass; it is antithetical to the faith, so I just doubt it happened.

Forgive me if I missed a post somewhere on this, but I'm going to point out that permission for an RC church to host the marriage of Catholic non-parishioners may be generally issued by the Local Ordinary; that is, the Bishop of the Diocese. Such permission is given rather frequently, particularly in the case of churches that belong to Religious Orders, and may or may not be associated with a parish. Such facilities are often allowed to offer Sacraments for any member of the Church in good standing who is eligible to participate in the particular rite. They are usually either college churches, oratories, or private chapels. It is called a "general office", and this is spelled out in Canon Law, Can.1111,section 1, and also in Can.1115 http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P40.HTM

Here is an example, from the FAQ's of the St. Francis Xavier College Church at St. Louis University:

Who may be Married at the College Church?
Any baptized Roman Catholic may marry at St. Francis Xavier Church with an ordained priest or deacon to witness the Sacrament of Marriage. Reservations for the church are accepted one year in advance. SLU affiliates (brides or grooms who are SLU alums, students or faculty) are allowed to book a reservation a year in advance in the calendar month in question. The calendar opens on the first working day of the month in question THIS YEAR. All reservations are taken over the phone beginning at 8:30 a.m. that morning. Non-affiliated couples may make their selections beginning at 9:00 a.m. that same morning, once the affiliates have made their selections. Registered, participating and contributing parishioners who have been with us for at least 10 months prior to requesting a date may request a date at any time. The one exception that supersedes all of the above is when a couple needs to contract both the Xavier Grand Ballroom and the Church in order to tie together the wedding. In that case, any date and time is eligible to book, but the Ballroom fees must be paid within 90 days. The fee is the same for anyone reserving the church for a wedding: $900. This fee is for the church alone and does not represent the stipend properly given to the officiating priest or deacon, an amount typically in the $200 range.

This is perfectly legal under Canon law, provided that the church in question has been granted a general office by the local Bishop for the celebration of Marriages. (St. Francis Xavier happens to belong to the Jesuits, but there are at least two other churches within the boundaries of my Archdiocese that may marry out-of-parish Catholics.) The person who actually officiates at the marriage must take responsibility for validating your status to enter into a marriage, but in the case of those who undergo RC Marriage Preparation, that investigation is done by the clergy who oversee the class. If that clergyman signs an affidavit that you have status to marry, then you usually can do so in any Catholic church that holds a general office for marriages.

As you see from the above example, there customarily IS a payment directly to the officiating priest; this is not the donation to the Church that is meant to cover the cost of the use of the building; it is a stipend for his services in performing an extra Mass. (Stipends are also normally given to priests when they perform funerals.) If you want to argue over whether it is a donation or a fee, you are arguing semantics, but I would posit that if a minimum "donation" is required in all cases, then it really isn't all that far out of order to call it a fee, because you will not be getting married there if you don't pay it. Using the term "rent" does rather imply something a bit less solemn, so that term is a bit more iffy.

Here is another example of a mandatory "stipend" for you, from Our Lady of Grace in El Cajon, CA which is a parish church:

DONATION AND STIPEND
In the Diocese of San Diego, the offering made for a wedding is placed in the general operating expenses of the Parish at which the wedding is performed. It is not retained by the presiding celebrant. Extra donation to the priest or deacon is optional. The customary offering for *registered, active parishioners or their children is $200.00. The liturgy and wedding coordinator's fee is $150.00. If altar servers are used, the usual stipend is $5.00 for each server. A $50.00 non-refundable fee is required to hold the date of the wedding. All stipend and fees should be given at least two weeks before the wedding date.
Because of high operating expenses of our church, we are at this time allowing non-parishioners to use our church and asking for a stipend of $500.00 for usage fee; $100.00 non-refundable deposit on the date the wedding date is settled. You will pay the rest ($400.00) two weeks prior to the wedding date. The liturgy and wedding coordinator's fee is $200.00 for non-parishioners.
*REGISTERED: Making regular weekly offering through the envelope
http://www.olg-church.org/wedplan.htm


On the original topic, as to whether or not any member of the public can walk into a wedding in a Catholic Church, Canon Law addresses that:

Can. 1221: Entry to a church at the hours of sacred functions is to be open and free of charge.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P4H.HTM
 
But you're not Roman Catholic, correct? That's where the difference comes from. Roman Catholic churches can close at night, or when they lack staffing (they are not "clubhouses", after all), and at that time they are locked and not open to the faithful. It is considered core to the church to be open to the faith community, however, and to not exclude anybody. Barring issues of safety and law, a Roman Catholic church is not going to exclude any members of the flock from worship. (Now barring you from taking communion is an entirely different issue...)

If you are on the staff of a Roman Catholic church, then your pastor needs to review his canon law ASAP, because it is considered a high crime within the church to deny the faithful access to worship.

It is not a Catholic church.

The OP didn't mention a Catholic church in the post, so I'm presenting the side of the non-Catholic :)
 
You are not the only one to say what? That the RCC operates however it wants in different places?

That the church is not always open 24 hours a day 365 days a year. That in some places the church is rented and access is controled.
 

If a parishioner walked into the Church I would bet my farm that your retired Priest would not have informed that person that the service was private so he or she needed to leave. You may believe that to be the case but I have been taught from an early age that a Mass is a Mass is a Mass and that anyone can attend. Perhaps it is different in your Parish but I have never been to a Catholic Church that followed that practice.


And I didn't say your church would be like the church in which we were married in. I simply said it doesn't appear to be the same everywhere.
 
I'm Roman Catholic and I have attended a Church wedding uninvited and it was perfectly acceptable. I was in elementary school at the time and my best friend's mother was getting married again (BFF's father passed away). It was a family only celebration but we were told about all the details and my Mom brought me to the Church in support of my friend and to congratulate her mother. We left afterwards. No big deal. I've always been told the same as the previous RC posters, that this was okay.
 
Our was by invitation only and my home church congregation was invited although I don't believe anyone came that wasn't invited.
 
That the church is not always open 24 hours a day 365 days a year. That in some places the church is rented and access is controled.

What I said several pages back is that what most mean by "open all the time" is not always literal. Simply that when there is someone present it is open to anyone and everyone to come..even during "events". My current parish and all others I have attended welcome people at all times. Obviously because of the possibility of theft/vandalism premises are locked during "off" hours when someone is not present on site but for most Catholic churches that is going to be evening/late at night.

A Roman Catholic priest that actually requested people leave the premises would NOT be acting in according with the Roman Catholic church or their position. It goes against such things. IF that is what they did..what they did was wrong and a violation of their position and the teaching/stance of the church.
 
What I said several pages back is that what most mean by "open all the time" is not always literal. Simply that when there is someone present it is open to anyone and everyone to come..even during "events". My current parish and all others I have attended welcome people at all times. Obviously because of the possibility of theft/vandalism premises are locked during "off" hours when someone is not present on site but for most Catholic churches that is going to be evening/late at night.

A Roman Catholic priest that actually requested people leave the premises would NOT be acting in according with the Roman Catholic church or their position. It goes against such things. IF that is what they did..what they did was wrong and a violation of their position and the teaching/stance of the church.

Yup. Well said. :thumbsup2
 





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