Irrational fears at Disneyland

Personal property rights cannot override constitutionally protected rights. That will be my last post on this particular subject as it could very easily go political.

I'll just say that case law doesn't support your contention. Also, SCOTUS recently denied a case where one was arguing that there was a constitutional right to a CCW permit.

In California, there's no right to carry a weapon in a public place. If Disney has a policy that doesn't allow guests to carry weapons on their property, it doesn't matter what anyone feels is constitutionally protected.
 
A LOT of guns have made it through security check. They were carried by responsible people though not whackos. I have the inverse irrational fear. Travelling to Disneyland and being UNARMED. When seconds count, the police are only 5-15 minutes away.
As conceal carriers at home, this is a huge fear of DH and I... Admittedly, the risk of an active shooter at Disneyland is slim, but so is the risk of an active shooter in Walmart, or the mall, or McDonald's, or wherever else we go... But we haven't left "our little Austrian friends" at home in years, other than on our trips to Disney. Honestly, if we could get a concealed carry permit in California, we would never be without a weapon.
 
Last year I went through a four hour tour of a cave in my local area. It was a tour with only four people (all in my family) and it was through a natural cave (no man made structures throughout it). Just as we are at about to go into a part of the cave where you need to lay on your chest and squeeze yourself through a portion of the cave no bigger then your body, my brother in law says "What if there was an earthquake right now?" I damn nearly killed him.

I've been in a talus cave before. It was basically a caved formed by falling rock. I was reading that after an earthquake there was a study that found the boulders hadn't really moved.
 
My son has anxiety and OCD so irrational fears are part of life but at Disney like all crowded places, he is worried about terrorists/mass shooters and being on a ride or stuck in an interior room that is packed with people and a fire breaks out. because of his fear of being trapped in a fire he now totally refuses the haunted mansion no matter what anyone says or does or any facts about fire safety measures. the packed elevator room is too much for him. we have to use an alternate entrance to get him on several others

Unfortunately given recent events his fears of violence aren't as unfounded as they once were. For us it helps if we dont tell him anything about events that have happened and try to keep the events from him. For example I made sure he didnt hear about the armed man at DL or about the guy who was arrested recently with many guns in LA and reports were saying that he had planned to make an attack at disney. For us it would be of no use to let him know about it and draw the obvious conclusions that the people were captured before they could hurt anyone at DL in either case and how on it security and area police must be. Nope he would never be able to go back. I even told him that the police with K9's were just there to train service dogs for the disabled. He has a friend with a service dog and knows how they have to be trained to go places like movie theaters, on airplanes and theme parks so he thought this sounded plausible and he wasnt anymore anxious seeing them.
 
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Two things: Earthquakes and guns.

For some reason it will occasionally pop into my head "what if there was an earthquake right now". Bit of an irrational thought as the odds are so astronomical of it occurring. Still not the place you want to be while riding through Star Tours.

As for the guns, given that I am from north of the border, I am not used to the idea of anyone being armed whether visibly or hidden. Before my last trip I remember reading about people who were attempting to "open carry" in as many places as possible and it made me investigate the laws about being armed in disneyland.

I'm with you on the gun thing. I only recently read a few threads about how people usually walk around with guns and realizing they cant bring it to the park. In my head I'm just like um why are you walking around with a death machine like its no big deal lol. Does Disneyland have the metal detectors as well as Florida? I'm going for my first time in July.
 
Does Disneyland have the metal detectors as well as Florida? I'm going for my first time in July.

Yes but not everyone goes through them. Security pulls people at random. we did 4 days back in march and came in and out a few times a day but I was never selcted to go through the metal detector. however I have heard from others that they got chosen over and over.
 
I'm with you on the gun thing. I only recently read a few threads about how people usually walk around with guns and realizing they cant bring it to the park. In my head I'm just like um why are you walking around with a death machine like its no big deal lol. Does Disneyland have the metal detectors as well as Florida? I'm going for my first time in July.
DLR will randomly put people through metal detectors but they don't X-ray bags. As far as walking around with "death machines", none of my handguns has ever shot a living being and I hope they never do. They are tools not death machines. Guns are to threats what fire extinguishers are to fires. They are threat remediation tools, nothing more.
 
I'm with you on the gun thing. I only recently read a few threads about how people usually walk around with guns and realizing they cant bring it to the park. In my head I'm just like um why are you walking around with a death machine like its no big deal lol. Does Disneyland have the metal detectors as well as Florida? I'm going for my first time in July.

Yes there are metal detectors. It's kind of odd though. Visitors first go through the bag check. Once past it there's nothing specifically guiding visitors to the metal detectors, such as ropes or barriers. The first time I'd been through there after the metal detectors were used, I walked right by until a Disney CM pointed me towards the metal detectors. They're kind of off to the side.
 
My fear isn't at DL but at WDW on the Dinosaur ride. I don't know why it happens, but I have a very deep and primal fear of the dinosaurs, even though I know they're fake. I'm guessing that one of my ancestors not too far back had some run-ins with the giant reptiles.

As for guns (and this isn't political), my sister's family was with us at DL back in November. I can't remember what the incident was, but some big time shooting happened and my brother-in-law saw it on the hotel TV. He refused to come into the parks because he'd "have no protection". So we all enjoyed the Christmas parade without him. When I'm at DL, I'm under the assumption that I have the finest in safety. I might be wrong, but that's how I feel. But BIL didn't feel that way at all. Poor guy - he was really scared.
 
the fact that splash mountain has no seat belts or lap bars makes me nervous even though i know i won't fall out. i love the ride, but it took me a long time to be able to ride it without being riddled with anxiety.
also, with the current state the world is in, i worry about some sort of attack on the parks.
 
the fact that splash mountain has no seat belts or lap bars makes me nervous even though i know i won't fall out. i love the ride, but it took me a long time to be able to ride it without being riddled with anxiety.
also, with the current state the world is in, i worry about some sort of attack on the parks.

http://www.themeparkinsider.com/news/response.cfm?id=350

Basically, flume rides aren't designed with large bunny hills. I have heard of a few though that have a small one at the end of a drop. However, we're not talking about a roller coaster on rails, so both the ride vehicle and the riders are subject to the same forces. A roller coaster will be forced to go down while the passenger's momentum is still going up. I think coaster enthusiasts call that "airtime" - that short feeling of weightlessness.
 
Yep there is only one negative g-load area on Splash and it is not severe enough to really separate from the ride vehicle
 
Pop-up ghosts. Haunted Mansion is one of my favorite rides, but I have to look up at the ceiling during the end scene, as I can't handle the pop-up ghosts.
 
For some reason it will occasionally pop into my head "what if there was an earthquake right now". Bit of an irrational thought as the odds are so astronomical of it occurring. Still not the place you want to be while riding through Star Tours.

I'd WAY rather be on just about any ride at Disneyland during a quake than at my random home. :)

When seconds count, the police are only 5-15 minutes away.

Police aren't that far away at Disneyland. Seriously.

A true honest concelled hand gun permit owner would not willingly disobay the posted rules of an establishment. They would respect the private property.

Absolutely. Totally. If someone disregards rules, they are showing themselves to be a DIShonest, untrustworthy, gun owner.

My husband's best friend is armed wherever he's legally allowed to be, *except for when he's at our house*. He knows that it's our rule, and he respects it. If he didn't, he would have proven himself to be a rotten friend and he wouldn't be invited over. He would absolutely follow Disney's rules. To do otherwise would show himself to be an irresponsible gun owner.

The moment my son got tall enough to start really looking around their house (which he's actually never done, as he respects privacy), my brother told me that they have several weapons. He invited us all to go shooting with them. We declined. Our stepdad introduced us to guns, and that was enough for me. He still thinks it's something political with me (which shows he doesn't know my "politics" at all LOL, and I'm still not sure what politics have to do with guns), but it's not just me. It's my husband, a former gun owner, firmly setting that overriding rule. My brother does NOT carry when we go to Disneyland.


If I ever see a gun on someone at Disneyland I'm reporting them. I might call 911 right then and there. If they are undercover, that can be worked out. If they aren't supposed to have it, they can have fun working that out.


Last year I went through a four hour tour of a cave in my local area. It was a tour with only four people (all in my family) and it was through a natural cave (no man made structures throughout it). Just as we are at about to go into a part of the cave where you need to lay on your chest and squeeze yourself through a portion of the cave no bigger then your body, my brother in law says "What if there was an earthquake right now?" I damn nearly killed him.

I might have to look him up and have a talk with him just READING that. Holy moly. One of the first Jack Reacher novels has a scene involving a cave like that, and I nearly went into hysterics reading it.

Honestly, if we could get a concealed carry permit in California, we would never be without a weapon.

Except for at Disneyland, where the property owners say you're not allowed to. Right?

Guns are to threats what fire extinguishers are to fires.

My husband and many of his friend would absolutely disagree.

In THEIR experience, it's a firestarter. If you carry a gun, you're going to show it when trouble starts. And then it starts MORE trouble.

Again in the Jack Reacher novels, he discusses how people carrying a gun aren't going to use a knife. Most aren't going to use words if you have the weapon.

DH experienced young-male-in-car aggression more than once in his 20s, and it got very testosterone-y, and the ones with the weapons brought out those weapons. The ones without used voices. Voices worked just fine.


Once past it there's nothing specifically guiding visitors to the metal detectors, such as ropes or barriers.

The CMs are the ones that guide people they choose towards them. If you weren't guided, you didn't need to go to them.

the fact that splash mountain has no seat belts or lap bars makes me nervous even though i know i won't fall out.

Woo, Physics!
 
Unfortunately given recent events his fears of violence aren't as unfounded as they once were. For us it helps if we dont tell him anything about events that have happened and try to keep the events from him. For example I made sure he didnt hear about the armed man at DL or about the guy who was arrested recently with many guns in LA and reports were saying that he had planned to make an attack at disney. For us it would be of no use to let him know about it and draw the obvious conclusions that the people were captured before they could hurt anyone at DL in either case and how on it security and area police must be. Nope he would never be able to go back. I even told him that the police with K9's were just there to train service dogs for the disabled. He has a friend with a service dog and knows how they have to be trained to go places like movie theaters, on airplanes and theme parks so he thought this sounded plausible and he wasnt anymore anxious seeing them.

I was there last weekend and didn't notice any police K-9. However, Disneyland has its own private, unarmed security with dogs. I saw a line of maybe 4 of them by the entrance.

Police aren't that far away at Disneyland. Seriously.

They'll get access anywhere quickly through their underground tunnel network using motorized vehicles. That along with plain clothes officers. On top of that they've been upping the presence of uniformed officers, as I noticed last week near the entrance.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016...ed-officers-in-wake-of-orlando-mass-shooting/
 
Two things: Earthquakes and guns.

For some reason it will occasionally pop into my head "what if there was an earthquake right now". Bit of an irrational thought as the odds are so astronomical of it occurring. Still not the place you want to be while riding through Star Tours.

As for the guns, given that I am from north of the border, I am not used to the idea of anyone being armed whether visibly or hidden. Before my last trip I remember reading about people who were attempting to "open carry" in as many places as possible and it made me investigate the laws about being armed in disneyland.


Been to DL when there is an earthquake several times. All rides that will have any reaction have an emergency stop.

I'm right there with you.



Whenever I ride Tower of Terror, I worry about earthquakes.

Try being at one of the higher floors of paradise pier and swaying to see straight down. I'll take the tower any day over that one.

I'm with you on the gun thing. I only recently read a few threads about how people usually walk around with guns and realizing they cant bring it to the park. In my head I'm just like um why are you walking around with a death machine like its no big deal lol. Does Disneyland have the metal detectors as well as Florida? I'm going for my first time in July.


As others have stated yes there are metal detectors. I believe after pulse more people are going through them. And as for people carrying them around, off duty cops in most places are required to carry guns at all times.
 
Completely disagree when the rules violate constitutional rights (Don't get me started on the legality of being able to protect yourself in CA).

In reality, constitutional rights don't ever trump a business's rights to control what happens on their property. For instance, there is freedom of speech, which means freedom from government interference. It doesn't mean that I can enter a business and give a speech that may upset other customers. The business has a right to ask someone to leave and if they don't they can be arrested for trespassing.

On top of that, there has been no final court ruling that there is a constitutional right to carry a weapon in a public place. The ability to do so is controlled by laws and regulations. In California, open carry without a permit of some sort in incorporated cities has been made illegal when it was legal a few years ago. I mentioned that the US Supreme Court hasn't taken a case where a circuit court ruled that there was no constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruta_v._San_Diego_County
 




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