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Can we discuss what is happening right now in Iran and their outrageous comments regarding the destruction of the U.S. and Israel.

Why isn't the U.S. issuing a stonger condemnation of this man and are we/should we consider some sort of military action to prevent an attack on U.S. soil?

Iranian leader refutes critics over Israel remarks
Thousands of Iranians stage anti-Israel demonstrations

(CNN) -- Thousands of Iranians staged anti-Israel protests across the country Friday and repeated calls by their ultraconservative president demanding the Jewish state's destruction.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- marching with the protesters -- signaled he stood by his remarks, even as Iranian officials tried to defuse the issue.

"My word is the same as that of (the) Iranian nation," he told the official IRNA news agency.

"They are free to say but their words lack any credit," he said, when asked about global reaction to his comments.

During a meeting with protesting students at Iran's Interior Ministry on Wednesday, Ahmadinejad quoted a remark from Ayatollah Khomeini -- founder of Iran's Islamic revolution -- that Israel "must be wiped out from the map of the world." (Full story)

But on Friday, Iran's Moscow embassy -- often used by Tehran to issue statements on foreign policy --said Ahmadinejad did not mean to "speak up in such sharp terms."

The embassy said Ahmadinejad "did not have any intention to speak up in such sharp terms and enter into a conflict."

"It's absolutely clear that, in his remarks, Mr. Ahmadinejad, president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, underlined the key position of Iran, based on the necessity to hold free elections on the occupied territories," Reuters quoted the embassy statement as saying.

Ahmadinejad's comments drew swift and harsh reaction from governments in Europe and North America, as well as from U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. (Full story)

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, in remarks issued Thursday by the Israeli government press office, said he believed any country that calls for the destruction of another cannot be a member of the United Nations.

At the United Nations on Friday, Israel's ambassador to the U.N. said the Security Council was addressing Ahmadinejad's comments.

"We're very happy that the Security Council has taken up the matter of that mad, dangerous and extreme statement we heard from the president of Iran," Dan Gillerman said in an interview.

"I certainly think that a country whose head of state calls for the destruction of any other member state of the United Nations does not deserve a seat in this very civilized organization."

He said it is an indication of the "grave concern" that the international community has about the head of state of one member U.N. state calling for the "destruction" and "wiping out" of another member state.

"It was just 60 years ago that another leader, democratically elected in a European country, called upon the destruction of a whole people," he said, referring to Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler.

"The fact that 60 years later these voices are coming from Tehran (is) very ominous."

Gillerman said that Iran has emerged not only as a threat to Israel but as a "global threat."

He said Iran is a "terrorist-supporting country, and the statements made by its president illustrate in the clearest way, and without any doubt, what this regime is all about."

Meanwhile in Iran, thousands of Iranians rallied in Tehran and other cities across the country part of Jerusalem Day protests.

Demonstrators held banners with anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian slogans. One banner read "Death to Israel, death to America," The Associated Press reported.

The state-organized rallies were first held in 1979 after Shiite Muslim clerics took power in Iran.

Copyright 2005 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
frndshpcptn said:
Why isn't the U.S. issuing a stonger condemnation of this man and are we/should we consider some sort of military action to prevent an attack on U.S. soil?
It may be that the U.S. understands Ahmadinejad is playing to his base in Iran to ensure continued support for his administration. That's fairly clear from the subsequent message leaked through Moscow to attempt to backpedal the rhetoric. Ahmadinejad plays to his supporters who probably will never hear or read the statement release via Moscow. He gets to appear militant to his supporters and tries to avoid a slap on the wrist from the U.N. (not that the U.N. would do much more that that).

As for military action, you'd suggest a military incursion based on rhetoric? If this were the sole cause for military action, there are a number of countries in line ahead of Iran.
 
Like Iraq?

But seriously - he is gunning for nuclear capabilities and wants to aim them straight at us and at Israel. Should we not take that seriously? Should we instead believe the "backpedal" coming out of Moscow - which is only being released for political reasons - not because they truly mean the backpedal.

They are holding sign up days for people to join the coming "holy war" Is this not cause for concern? With the Palestinians stepping up bombings again and threating to start kidnapping Israelis, the Iranians are sure to start actually moving on threats - and not just monetarily supporting factions in Lebannon and Syria.

Below is another article from MSNBC highlighting the rethoric. And quite honestly - it doesn't matter if the president is just pandering to his base - it's the majority of the country and they are not at all reluctant to "die for the cause" if asked to by some such as they president.

Iranian president joins anti-Israel protests
Iran stands by widely condemned remarks that Israel should be destroyed

The Associated Press
Updated: 1:33 p.m. ET Oct. 28, 2005


TEHRAN, Iran - Iran’s hard-line president marched in the streets of Tehran on Friday alongside tens of thousands of people supporting his call for the destruction of Israel — remarks that have been condemned around the world.

The rally was one of several state-organized anti-Israel demonstrations across the country that drew more than a million Iranians.

World leaders have condemned Wednesday’s remarks by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who repeated the words of the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic revolution, by saying: “Israel must be wiped off the map.”

As he marched alongside demonstrators in downtown Tehran, Ahmadinejad renewed his criticism of the West, saying: “They become upset when they hear any voice of truth-seeking.”

“They think they are the absolute rulers of the world,” he added.

‘Death to Israel, death to America’
Many marching with him held placards reading, “Death to Israel, death to America.”

On Friday the Iranian embassy in Moscow tried to soften the impact of Ahmadinejad’s comment.

“Mr. Ahmadinejad did not have any intention to speak in sharp terms and engage in a conflict,” the Iranian embassy in Moscow said in a statement following a wave of international criticism.


It added that Ahmadinejad “underlined the key position of Iran, based on the necessity to hold free elections on the occupied territories.”

The embassy statement came after Moscow, a key ally of Iran, joined criticism of Ahmadinejad’s statement and summoned the Iranian ambassador to ask for an explanation.

Iran’s influential former president, Hashemi Rafsanjani, also tried to soothe tensions, suggesting in his Friday prayer sermon that Israelis and Palestinians decide the future of their conflict in a referendum.

The state-organized demonstrations are part of the annual al-Quds Day — or Jerusalem Day —protests, which were first held in 1979 after Shiite Muslim clerics took power in Iran.


At least 200,000 people rallied in Tehran, some chanting “Israel is approaching its death” and wearing white shrouds symbolizing their readiness to die for their cause. Others carried banners reading, “Israel must be destroyed.”

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the president’s comments represented Iran’s long-held policy of not recognizing Israel.

“Unfortunately the Western countries have remained silent on the increasing inhumane activities of Israel (against the Palestinians),” Mottaki said a Tehran march.

Iran’s seven state-run TV stations devoted coverage Friday to programs condemning the Jewish state and praising the Palestinian resistance since the 1948 creation of Israel.

The demonstrations attracted at least 100,000 people in all of Iran’s major cities, while major rallies were held in other Middle Eastern countries.

Tens of thousands of Lebanese joined a demonstration in southern Beirut organized by the powerful Shiite Muslim guerrilla group, Hezbollah.

Flags burned in Bahrain
At least 30,000 people marched in Bahrain, burning Israeli and American flags and demanding their government rescind a recent decision to end its economic embargo of the Jewish state.

Countries from Britain to Russia denounced Ahmadinejad’s comments. The United States said the Iranian leader’s hostility underscored Washington’s concern over Iran’s nuclear program. Israel said Iran should be suspended from the United Nations.

U.N. chief Kofi Annan expressed “dismay” in a rare rebuke of a U.N. member state.

Even Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat criticized the comments.

“We have recognized the state of Israel and we are pursuing a peace process with Israel, and ... we do not accept the statements of the president of Iran,” Erekat said. “This is unacceptable.”

Hungary’s Deputy State Secretary Laszlo Varkonyi summoned Iran’s ambassador Friday, telling him that “no leader of a country which considers itself a responsible member of the international community can make such a statement.” Japan’s Foreign Ministry called the remarks “unacceptable in whatever context.”

After Khomeini toppled the pro-Western Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi in 1979, he declared the last Friday of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan as an international day of struggle against Israel and for the liberation of Jerusalem.
 
Similar rhetoric has been spouted throughout the Middle East -- that's hardly news. The fact that Iraq hates Israel and the U.S. -- again not news. The call for a holy war against these spawn of Satan? Not news. Iran is working on nuclear weapons capability. Not news.

Iran should be a concern, but what's going on doesn't rise to the same level as Iraq/Hussein. I just think you are overreacting to some media hype.
 

Yes, Iran should be a major concern.
And, make no mistake.... To our government, Iran IS a very real concern.

The fact that this is played as just 'Rhetoric' to solidify his base is really equal to 'Rhetoric' to allow him to stay in power and continue to develop nuclear capabilities, etc. A true and real threat...

However, this particular episode does not necessarily warrant immediate action. You can bet your bottom dollar that our Government is very very concerned with Iraq, have been following things closely, and that they are acting accordingly.

Even though we know more about our governments actions than the people of Iraq, we would be foolish if we limited our views based on 'sound-bites'. ;)
 
Ohhhhh, and this is just cracking me up!!!!

Iran calls for the destruction of an entire free nation, the end of the Jewish State, which could be considered genocide, and Kofi Annan 'expesses dismay'. :rotfl2:
 
I'm rather content to sit back and watch Israel take care of itself, much in the same way they did when they took out Saddam Hussein's nuclear facilities at Osirak.

The United States can say all they want -- they will always be the Great Satan to Iran. Israel has a history of protecting itself when the chips are down and coming out on top each and every time -- even though the court of world opinion inevitably condemns their actions. Just like they did after Osirak.
 
Don't mess with the Israelis..........They ask questions later. Everyone, including Iran knows that. They restrained themselves at Prez Bush's request during the Persian War, but the current Bush doesn't have his father's clout, and certainly not in the foreign arena.
 
Wishing on a star said:
Ohhhhh, and this is just cracking me up!!!!

Iran calls for the destruction of an entire free nation, the end of the Jewish State, which could be considered genocide, and Kofi Annan 'expesses dismay'. :rotfl2:

Kofi Annan and much of the United Nations leadership do little more than mouth the words provided to them by the Arab League. It was Kofi Annan who led the condemnation of Israel when they took out Iraq's nuclear capabilities in their surgical strike on the Osirak nuclear facilities. With Israeli F-16 fighter jets flying wingtip to wingtip they mimicked the radar profile of a commercial airliner. As another poster has already commented out here - don't mess with the Israelis, they ask questions later.
 
we've heard this rhetoric before, why does it surprise us?

the UN is a joke when it comes to Israel.

I'm sure the IDF has plans to take out Iran's nuclear capabilities.
 
I dont think the Iranians(or any Muslims for that matter) will "nuke" Israel. They as much as the Jews view Israel as very holy ground. Now, chemical or biological attacks, thats another matter. They want to kill the people, not destroy the land.
 
The timing of all of this makes me nervous. My parents leave for a 3 week tour of Israel on Tuesday. The last boming in Israel earlier this week (or last?) supposedly is very close to where their tour group is going.
I just said goodbye a few hours ago and I am just real apprehensive for them.
My Dad says just the same ole for the last few centuries. Why oh why can't they just be happy w/ WDW?
 
Doesn't Iran have some quirky government set up, with two guys in charge, a political leader and a spiritual leader? So which made the comment and what did the other guy have to say about it?
 
i think the u.s. has enough on its plate right now at home & in iraq without adding military action against iran.
 
I'm still in school and I don't understand any of this stuff. But I have the feeling that Iran wants to fry us to a crisp.
 
The only solution can be summed up in two words: Carpet bombing
 


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