Intro and quetions about GAC card

Nixie

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Hello, I am not sure if I have introduced myself on this board yet or not. I am Christy mommy of 3 children including a daughter with cerebral palsy. Bella, my daughter, has low muscle tone throughout her body except her hands which have hyper tone. She is suprisingly mobile. Though she does have balance troubles at times and tends to fall alot because of her weak ankles. Her biggest challenges are fine motor control in her hands and speech. At first when planning this trip I was worried how Bella would "fit in". This board has helped quell some of those fears. I have realized many many special needs kids go to Disney every single day and Disney is more than well equipped to handle their needs. I was worried about character interaction and them being able to understand Bella. Needless to say, I think all my worries are probably silly. I have gotten some greeat advice including renting a stroller for Bella just in case the huge amount of walking is just too much for her little self. Anyways, I am getting off my original reason for posting. I have read the forums and understand a little about the GAC card. I am wondering if it would be beneficial in our case to get one or should we just pass on this. I am really only looking for something that might alert the cast members that Bella might need extra help/time getting on and off rides. Of course, I and her father will be there to help her, but we will also be helping her little brothers as well. It would be awesome if someone was also there with a helping hand. I don't think she would need to go through the accessible line persay, just extra help getting into a ride and off. That make sense??
Also if the GAC would be beneficial to us what should I have her doc type something up in a letter for her?? What should it say?
 
Welcome to the Dis Boards! I don't know the answer to your questions, but I am sure someone on the boards will be able to help you out. From what little I know about the GAC card, I definately think you are eligible for the GAC and should take advantage of it. I, however, have no idea what you need to prove your eligibility.

Happy planning and I hope you have a wonderful trip!
 
Thank you :) I just remembered one more question! (Sorry!) I really wanna stay at Port Orleans Riverside. I know that this isn't the most special needs friendly resort. Would I be better off switching my res to Port Orleans French Quarter and just taking the boat over to Riverside when we wanna do stuff over there?
 
Let me settle some more of your fears. My DD & DS both have autism. My DD had hearing problems & speech delay. She was able to sign with a few of the characters. I wouldn't worry about them misunderstanding. Peter Pan even lifted my daughter up for a picture once just because she asked him to. (She wanted him to help her to fly. LOL)
On one trip one of the princesses talked to my DD using her PECS book.
Alice in Wonderland & my "normal" DD had an interesting conversation. You see this Alice was from "the land down under" & didn't understand that a Barbie doll wasn't a cooked one.
 

Just so you know, the CMs are not allowed to help anyone on or off a ride. I think there is a GAC provision for things like "slow down the moving walkway"

They cannot slow down Peter Pan's flight, btw...

I am not sure exactly what you need other than more time loading/unloading you need. You can also get a GAC which will allow you and your family to avoid stairs.

Are you going to have a wheelchair or a special needs stroller for your DD? On average people walk between 4 and 10 miles a day at disney, so if she has balance problems, she will likely be exhausted by the end of the day.

The accessible entrances are almost always the mainstream entrances, and there is no real way to make the distance traveled less, so you may want to look into something to make her comfortable.
 
Hi and welcome. I'm sure you will have a fantastic time at Disney.

The Characters are fantastic and handle the kids disabilities with grace and respect.

I noted that you are getting a stroller for your daughter. If you get a stroller you will probably benefit from a "Stroller as a Wheelchair" GAC to help you take the stroller into lines with you. If you are renting a wheelchair then the GAC is not necessary as they CMs will know that the wheelchair can, of course, stay with her. I hope this makes sense. We have used a Maclaren Major in the parks with my 6yo and we used the stroller as a wheelchair sticker with great results but this next trip we may have a Zippy wheelchair in which case the sticker will not be necessary due to it looking more wheelchair like. Do you know which stroller/wheelchair you are going to be able to get?
 
Hello, I am not sure if I have introduced myself on this board yet or not.
I don't think you have, but I do think I met you on another board.
So, welcome to disABILITIES :wave:

I agree with KPeveler (I usually agree with her:goodvibes) that you really should think about using the stroller most of the time. Many parents of 4 yr olds without cerebral palsy find that the distances in a day at WDW may be way too much for their children.
Most people don't really realize how much walking they will do in a day at WDW. One way to visualize it is to think of some place you know well that is about 2 miles from your house (school, church, store, etc.). Can you imagine your daughter walking there?
What about there and back?
Every day for the number of days you plan to be at WDW?

As was already mentioned, people estimate they walk between 4 and 10 miles a day at WDW. If you follow the link in my signature to the disABILITIES FAQs thread and look in post #3, you will find some helpful links under the heading of WDW General Information (Un-official Links). Some that may be especially helpful are
- an estimate people made of the distance they walk each day at WDW.
- attractions with moving walkways.
- attractions with no place to sit while waiting.
- a height calculator so you can find which attractions your children are big enough to ride

My suggestion is to bring a stroller and get a Guest Assistance Card and/or sticker that allows you a "stroller as a wheelchair'. This lets you bring it into lines and have it treated just like a wheelchair.
If she is using the stroller in line, you will be using the accessible entrance and avoiding things like stairs. You will also be boarding at the place where they can slow or stop the moving walkways.
As KPeveler mentioned, Peter Pan can't be stopped. That and Tommorowland Transit Authority are the 2 attractions that can only be stopped in emergency.
You can get a GAC that allows you to use the accessible pathways when walking, but there are few attractions with stairs and you will still have to deal with distances. Many of the lines are very long - Soarin' is more than 1/4 mile from where you enter the line to where you board it. And, once you are done, it is an equal distance out. Using the stroller will help her to save her energy for things that are more fun than just getting around.
My DD no longer walks, but when she did, her gait and the difficulty maintaining balance meant that she used much more energy getting from place to place than an average child her age (if I remember from her gait analysis test, it was something like 4 times as much energy). Your daughter is probably similar. She will need to get up and walk from time to time to avoid getting stiff, but I would suggest you only park the stroller and have her walk when you can see the whole queue from beginning to boarding and are able to assure yourself that it won't be too long/far for her to walk.
As was already mentioned, in almost every case, a GAC will not shorten the distance walked.
I have read the forums and understand a little about the GAC card. I am wondering if it would be beneficial in our case to get one or should we just pass on this. I am really only looking for something that might alert the cast members that Bella might need extra help/time getting on and off rides. Of course, I and her father will be there to help her, but we will also be helping her little brothers as well. It would be awesome if someone was also there with a helping hand. I don't think she would need to go through the accessible line persay, just extra help getting into a ride and off. That make sense??
If you have the stroller in line for her, you would be able to take it all the way to the boarding area. That would probably be my choice with having other smaller children. THe stroller would alert the CM that something 'extra' is going on and you may need extra time. The GAC has stamps that explain a little about the needs of the person with a disability, but the stamps are rather general and it's still up to the guest to explain what would help best - would the moving walkway need to be stopped, or is slowing enough?

The CMs can't lift or transfer anyone. They can offer a steadying hand, but that works best for adults, who are older and since they are bigger only need that. Because 4 yr old legs are small, little kids usually need more than just a steadying hand.
Also if the GAC would be beneficial to us what should I have her doc type something up in a letter for her?? What should it say?
Follow the link in my signature again to the disABILITIES FAQs thread. Post # 6 of that thread is all about GACs. It does talk about doctor's letters. It can't be required that you have a letter and most CMs won't even look at it. If it makes you feel more confident, it won't hurt to have a letter - as long as you realize that it likely will not be looked at at all. If you do bring a letter, it should talk about your child's needs, not diagnosis.
Her biggest challenges are fine motor control in her hands and speech. At first when planning this trip I was worried how Bella would "fit in". This board has helped quell some of those fears. I have realized many many special needs kids go to Disney every single day and Disney is more than well equipped to handle their needs. I was worried about character interaction and them being able to understand Bella.
All of the characters travel with a handler. We usually clue in the handler by telling that CM that our daughter can understand, but can't speak. That helps a lot and we are right nearby if we need to translate for her. Many of the characters do sign language (as well as you can do it with oversized 4 finger mittens). The characters like Mickey and Minnie (the 'furry' characters) don't have a very big field of vision, so they can't always see someone as small as a child right in front of them. THey are very careful and gentle though.

Another thing you may want to look at since she doesn't speak is a picture communication board. This is a picture of one I made for my daughter for Magic Kingdom. There are more similar things in post #3 of the disABILITIES FAQs thread in post #3 under Communication Devices, PECs in the Specific COnditions or Concerns area.
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Thank you :) I just remembered one more question! (Sorry!) I really wanna stay at Port Orleans Riverside. I know that this isn't the most special needs friendly resort. Would I be better off switching my res to Port Orleans French Quarter and just taking the boat over to Riverside when we wanna do stuff over there?
We have stayed at both those resorts.
Port Orleans French Quarter (POFQ)is smaller and more compact, which is why people say it is more special needs friendly. The rooms are pretty much the same at both resorts. POFQ has elevators in all buildings, but that doesn't mean your room will be near the elevator and if you are on first floor on either resort, you won't be concerned about elevators anyway.

But Port Orleans Riverside (POR) has nice walking paths between everything. The Mansions area does have elevators, but some people find it farther than Alligator Bayoo.
If you would be trying to get from POFQ to POR a lot, I think you would be better off just staying at POR. THe boat is nice, but you will waste a lot of time waiting for it. There is a walking path between the 2 resorts and you would be faster walking.
 
Thank you so much for your response :) Yes, I was on a diff site pretty much asking some of the same questions and you referred me here ;) I will def look into the GAC card and using her stroller as a wheelchair. I guess I am just naive on how far we will be walking. She does fine at our own little zoo here at home, but that isn't a 4 - 10 mile walk!! I am debating whether to get a double stroller from Orlando Stroller rental or going out and buying my own beforehand. I am going to look loclally to see if she would actually fit comfortablely in one first though. She is pretty small for her age probably only weighs 43 - 47 pounds. We have been looking into those picture communication boards. Her speech therapist is working with me and we are currently fighting the inurance fight :P One more question: Would I be able to request a first floor room for her since stairs are somewhat of a concern. She is very unsteady on stairs and if she doesn't bump all the way down on her rump she is likely to fall.
 
Well, I was thinking about renting one of the Orlando double strollers because she is underneath the weight limit (she is tiny for her age). She would share it with her little brother who will be 2 and weighs almost as much as she does. I am gonna look locally to see if I can find one and have her sit in it that way I can see if she will or won't fit. Since CMs won't help her in or outta the rides, I kinda feel like getting a GAC will be worthless for us. I think bringing the stroller into the ride queue will be overkill for us. I was thinking more about using the stroller for when we are walking inbetween attractions or when walking from one section of the park to another. Maybe I am naive, but I think she would be fine walking on her own (with our help up stairs and such if there are any) just to get on the rides. Are they really that long?? We are going the last week of Nov. thru the first week of Dec. It is supposed to less crowded time, so I am hoping our time waiting in lines is low as well. Guess I will just play it by ear and see. If after the first day she seems to really need the extra help of a stroller all the way thru the lines and such, then I will get the GAC. If she seems to be doing well without it, then :)
Some people do just that - they use the stroller/wheelchair to get to a general area and then park it while they walk from place to place in that area. That works well for Fantasyland, which is rather compact and has attractions where you can see the whole line from beginning to end.
If you go early in the morning, like right when the park opens, you will be able to go on all the Fantasyland attractions with waits that are less than 10-15 minutes for each attraction. At the time you are planning on going, that should be easy to do.
Just keep in mind that the distances inside the lines can be much farther than you may think - even if the wait is very short. Some notoriously long queues to walk thru are Pirates of the Caribbean at MK, Bug's Life at AK, the Safari at AK, Soarin' at Epcot.

Also, if she has trouble with standing for long periods, the movies and shows involve a period of standing in the preshow area that is equal to the length of the show.

As long as you can prepare for those things, you will do OK and can always change the plan if things don't work out the way you think.
 
Sorry about that post. I posted before I had read your response. I will probably end up getting the GAC thingie and the stroller tag for her. Expecting her to walk 4 - 10 miles in one day is def gonna be too much (heck it sounds too much for me!!). Now I am worried for my soon to be 8 year old as well ROFL!!
 














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