Interesting news about new DVC resort

[crisi]

My problem with EP is that its likely to be large and a non-destination for anyone but golfers (which we are), which will make the smaller resorts harder to book once the window opens. As always, people who are willing to work the system and call right at seven months, be flexible and use the waitlist will probably have luck more often than not - but I hate the idea that staying a VWL or BCV may eventually become a "dialing for CRT in 2003" type problem - or even a "dialing for Le Cellier" currently problem.

 

[bmalonef45]

After just returning from our trip and playing 3 out of the 4 days it was nice. We played Magnolia on Mon. LBV on Tues. and ORidge on Wed. I think next time I will try to keep a day between rounds. I will say this. The DVC golf package is a great deal and well worth 50.00. Also out of those 3 courses our favorite was LBV. It runs through OKW and SSR and that was part of why we liked it. Different atmosphere and you felt like you were at Disney instead of a normal golf course. The buildings added a resort feel I guess. The courses were all pretty busy so there are plenty of people playing, weather they are DVC members I don't know. We did see them filming a promo video with Mickey at EP/OR on our last day. Maybe that has something to do with DVC, maybe not. It will all come out in the wash as they say.

 

[Dean]

Why is that wrong?

It depends on your perspective. If you always plan in your home resort preference window and stay at your home resort, it matters not. But if they add resorts it can make it better or worse for those at the 7 month window depending on the demand of the resort in question. I'm not saying it's bad or good, just reality. Any resort that is as high or more in demand than the destination resorts now (BWV, BCV, VWL) will make it better for everyone at the 7 month window except those who want the new resort. Any resort that is in less demand will make it worse for everyone at the 7 month window. SSR is a perfect example. While a great resort, it is not as high in demand overall as those I mentioned above. it is also a large resort with a lot of points floating around. A resort of this type (SSR) will produce enough points vying at the 7 month window to overpower the few units available even at 10 resorts the size of AKV and of similar demand. Why you say since SSR is only twice as large as AKV? Here's why. The majority of owners at AKV will stay there and if they don't, most will want to change to the other big 3 at the 7 month window creating no extra units available overall. The number of people trying to trade out of SSR will be 10 to 1 or more compared to the number wanting to trade to SSR. And those are additive to the points from VB, HH and to a degree, OKW.

 

[LauraLea]

Golf has always been a big part of our Disney vacations. I do not play, but DH and DS do (DS is a Golf Management major in college). When DS was younger, dh would only play a few times and maybe once w/ ds each trip. As ds became a serious golfer, many of our trips were solely for getting away from the nasty Indiana weather and allow ds to get some practice in before the season started.

I may be unique, but I do not think so. Since our immediate family is just the 3 of us, I end up spending a lot of time alone at Disney. But I love it! I have taken about every tour they offer and always go the spa at least once per trip. Also, the guys do not like to shop, so I have plenty of time to shop as I please. I understand it would be different if we were a family of more and younger children. As the wife I too would be stressed if I were left alone with the kids 3-4 days of our vacation.

If EP was done as just a total destination place of it's own, I believe it would successful. It would need another full service spa, at least 2 table service dining places, and a place for evening entertainment. Having the courses there would mean I would get to keep the car for the day instead of having to use Disney transportation!

I know of another DVC member who has taken all male Disney trips solely to golf. DS and DH have also met up with alot of other golfers who are groups that have come just for the golf.

If it were not for the golf, I do not think dh would have come to love Disney at all. I really thought my only opportunity to buy into DVC would be at EP, and we were waiting for that project to get started. But over the years we both fell in love with WL and BW, so we bought there.

We would certainly do an add-on, or perhaps a whole new membership for DS, if EP were to be built.

Laura

 

[JMLBrats]

What we need is another theme park.

DH and I wish they would build one like the sea park one (don't remember the name) they have in Japan. Now that would be awesome!

 

[Caskbill]

The best information I have, nothing really official, but from multiple sources who are in a position to know:

AKV (as announced)
DL
Contemporary

A Disneyland resort could be announced and built concurrently with AKV as there is really no conflict between having two resorts for sale at the same time.

I would suspect they wouldn't announce the next WDW DVC resort until AKV was well into it's sales. This would be their best guess on when AKV would sell out, and the timeframe to having another resort ready for new sales.

Based on past history, it appears DVC has learned a lesson in not having a resort to sell, and will attempt to always have the next resort available for sales before the previous resort sells out.

Personally I would not be surprised if an EP resort comes before a Contemporary one. Some of the initial ground work for EP had already been done. It would all depend on construction costs and construction timeframes.

Of course, Disney always keeps their options open, and a lot could change in the next few years.

 

[DisneydaveCT]

This has been an interesting thread to read this afternoon as I get ready to visit SSR for a 3-day golf trip to WDW.

Let me first say that I have met many DVC members on the various golf courses at WDW including at EP.

Now here is what I have heard about future DVC projects from various CM's during my trips throughout the past year.

First, they often hear the rumors that we hear and share. Sometimes the first time they hear about a new project officially is when it is announced int he media like the AKL project.

Despite some initial prep having been done for the EP project a few years ago, the project is very much on the back burner. Apparently, the reaction from some of us golfers to the idea of having a DVC resport attached to the golf course was not a big draw. I don't agree with that viewpoint. I stay at OKW (my home) and SSR because I like being near the golf courses.

The most common reports I have heard from some CM's about the current strategy is that the gameplan is to create DVC's villas at more of the existing non-DVC resports like AKL and CR instead of building a new DVC resort at WDW. This would also suggest that the EP project is still a long way off. Too bad since I had planned to buy some additional points at EP when it was constructed. Now I am thinking about adding on at SSR.

I know that there has been talk of a DVC property to be constructed at DL, but the last I read was there was a problem with the California real estate laws which are not favorable to DVC.

Regardless of which rumor is true and which is just a rumor, it is clear that DVC members want more options at WDW.

 

[MommaX03]

As a recent buyer, I recall reading in my materials a specific provision that said not to buy DVC with the hope that EP would be built. I guess with such past rampant EP rumors, DVC had to address it in its paperwork.

 

[bmalonef45]

As a recent buyer, I recall reading in my materials a specific provision that said not to buy DVC with the hope that EP would be built. I guess with such past rampant EP rumors, DVC had to addess it in its paperwork.

I guess I don't understand why that would be in the paperwork. Can you quote verbatum what it said. Why would that ever be in a real estate contract?

 

[MommaX03]

I guess I don't understand why that would be in the paperwork. Can you quote verbatum what it said. Why would that ever be in a real estate contract?

Bryan-

According to the Purchase Agreement I signed this past Fall 2006 (a revised June 2006 version of the agreement), the verbatim statement regarding Eagle Pines appeared in bold face type as follows:

"Disney's resort at Eagle Pines is only a possible component site which may never be added to the Disney Vacation Club Multi-Site timeshare plan. Do not purchase an interest in a Disney Vacation Club resort in reliance upon the addition of component sites."

The last sentence of the quote should answer your question.

 

[Sammie]

The best information I have, nothing really official, but from multiple sources who are in a position to know:

AKV (as announced)
DL
Contemporary

A Disneyland resort could be announced and built concurrently with AKV as there is really no conflict between having two resorts for sale at the same time.

I would suspect they wouldn't announce the next WDW DVC resort until AKV was well into it's sales. This would be their best guess on when AKV would sell out, and the timeframe to having another resort ready for new sales.

Based on past history, it appears DVC has learned a lesson in not having a resort to sell, and will attempt to always have the next resort available for sales before the previous resort sells out.

Personally I would not be surprised if an EP resort comes before a Contemporary one. Some of the initial ground work for EP had already been done. It would all depend on construction costs and construction timeframes.

Of course, Disney always keeps their options open, and a lot could change in the next few years.

I would agree.

 

[Dean]

As a recent buyer, I recall reading in my materials a specific provision that said not to buy DVC with the hope that EP would be built. I guess with such past rampant EP rumors, DVC had to address it in its paperwork.

They even have wording that future phases for SSR may not be built or included in the club. It's just a formality and means little overall.

 

[bmalonef45]

Bryan-

According to the Purchase Agreement I signed this past Fall 2006 (a revised June 2006 version of the agreement), the verbatim statement regarding Eagle Pines appeared in bold face type as follows:

"Disney's resort at Eagle Pines is only a possible component site which may never be added to the Disney Vacation Club Multi-Site timeshare plan. Do not purchase an interest in a Disney Vacation Club resort in reliance upon the addition of component sites."

The last sentence of the quote should answer your question.

Thank you for that.

By the way I didn't mean to sound doubtful in that post just more mystified. And lazy as I didn't want to dig my paper work up.

Seems like legal jargon to me. I guess now they will probably have to add CR to the possible site list in the wording. Always having to cover their rear for lawsuits

This all leads me to a different question. Do they intentionally plant these ideas in CMs hands to through out as research or just some sort of sick intertainment. Sometimes its exciting... but in a way it can be tiresome.

Oh well it will all take time I guess.

 

[Longhairbear]

I think we will be hearing this week of official announcements of DLR DVC, new attractions, and one new waterpark, in Asia or India.

 

[CarolMN]

.....(snip).....

Seems like legal jargon to me. I guess now they will probably have to add CR to the possible site list in the wording. Always having to cover their rear for lawsuits.......

EP was actually announced as the next DVC resort (before it was decided to build SSR instead) There were official press releases about EP.

Anything that might come to be at the Contemporary, Disneyland or elsewhere is just a rumor. Nothing official has been announced. I don't think DVC has to specifically add something that was never officially announced.

 

[MommaX03]

I think we will be hearing this week of official announcements of DLR DVC, new attractions, and one new waterpark, in Asia or India.

Could you explain the Asia or India waterpark reference?

Many thanks!

 

[Tigger031266]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Longhairbear
I think we will be hearing this week of official announcements of DLR DVC, new attractions, and one new waterpark, in Asia or India.

Could you explain the Asia or India waterpark reference?

Good point. What are they talking about?

 

[Longhairbear]

Good point. What are they talking about?

I heard that there was reference to Asia or India as a location for a waterpark, or water themed park, or resort in the latest Cast Portal. Cast Portal is a CM newsletter from what I have been told.

 

[MommaX03]

I heard that there was reference to Asia or India as a location for a waterpark, or water themed park, or resort in the latest Cast Portal. Cast Portal is a CM newsletter from what I have been told.

Thanks for the response.

 

[gezerk]

The new resort at AKL sounds really cool. That might have to be my first home resort.