Interesting news about new DVC resort

[Slakk]

It depends on your perspective. If you always plan in your home resort preference window and stay at your home resort, it matters not. But if they add resorts it can make it better or worse for those at the 7 month window depending on the demand of the resort in question. I'm not saying it's bad or good, just reality. Any resort that is as high or more in demand than the destination resorts now (BWV, BCV, VWL) will make it better for everyone at the 7 month window except those who want the new resort. Any resort that is in less demand will make it worse for everyone at the 7 month window. SSR is a perfect example. While a great resort, it is not as high in demand overall as those I mentioned above. it is also a large resort with a lot of points floating around. A resort of this type (SSR) will produce enough points vying at the 7 month window to overpower the few units available even at 10 resorts the size of AKV and of similar demand. Why you say since SSR is only twice as large as AKV? Here's why. The majority of owners at AKV will stay there and if they don't, most will want to change to the other big 3 at the 7 month window creating no extra units available overall. The number of people trying to trade out of SSR will be 10 to 1 or more compared to the number wanting to trade to SSR. And those are additive to the points from VB, HH and to a degree, OKW.

Sorry but I am tired of SSR being the whipping boy of the boards. Go look on the rent/trade board and see how many folks are trying to get into BCV and BWV and even VWL compared to SSR. Those people gobble up those resorts right and left.

I am not sure where your 10 to 1 ratio is coming from maybe you have contacts in DVC that show you trends but I look on this board and see a ton of people who actually like SSR (me being one of them).

 

[dumbo71]

Sorry but I am tired of SSR being the whipping boy of the boards.

[Snip...] but I look on this board and see a ton of people who actually like SSR (me being one of them).

This post is confusing. you state intitally that SSR is the "whipping boy of the boards and then you go on to state that " a ton of people who actually like SSR."

Which is it? I read this board (WAYYYYYYYYYY too much) and I'm seeing nothing but great reviews of SSR. In fact I don't remember seeing even one bad review.

As to Dean's post, I'd say he is just making an educated guess. I doubt he has any facts to back up those statements.

Count me in as a proud SSR owner.

 

[mamaprincess]

At one point, especially at the beginning stages of SSR, there were many posts that speculated that it was to large and that SSR members would create issues for the smaller resorts because our many members would be vying for those small resorts at the 7mos window. This was a much discussed topic on the DVC boards a while ago. Many folks speculated that SSR owners bought in just to book other resorts and not because they loved SSR.

It has subsided as of late. As more people have actually experienced SSR, and DVC members at other resorts have been able to book their resorts at the 7mos window despite the many new DVC members, this speculation has given way to real life experience. By and large, SSR members love SSR and have not rushed enmass to book other resorts as was heavily speculated, though that is a privilege of all DVC members.


I personally have only ever stayed at SSR in 3 years of ownership. I am interested in trying out VAKL and will do so at some point but as of now have future plans to continue staying at my beloved SSR. Next trip thanksgiving week followed by a birthday trip in August.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...

 

[Slakk]

This post is confusing. you state intitally that SSR is the "whipping boy of the boards and then you go on to state that " a ton of people who actually like SSR."

Which is it? I read this board (WAYYYYYYYYYY too much) and I'm seeing nothing but great reviews of SSR. In fact I don't remember seeing even one bad review.

As to Dean's post, I'd say he is just making an educated guess. I doubt he has any facts to back up those statements.

Count me in as a proud SSR owner.

Count me in as well - I happen to love SSR but as the newest resort it was beaten up so bad for so long it really got old. It has been decreed that anyone who bought at SSR only bought to stay other places because"who would want to stay at SSR" heck at one point we were all likened to beer swilling low lifes who were likened to an infestation of Clampets marring the perfection of BWV and BCV...

I do not feel that SSR has hurt any of the resorts but sometimes people's percenptions of their own beliefs become reality.

To say 90% of the people who bought at SSR don't stay there is their perception. I drove through SSR yesterday and it was sure busy for an unused resort.

 

[spiceycat]

I am not sure where your 10 to 1 ratio is coming from maybe you have contacts in DVC that show you trends but I look on this board and see a ton of people who actually like SSR (me being one of them).

don't worry - once a new DVC resort is announced - other posters will quit saying how big and bad SSR is - believe me - it happened with BWV, BCV - not so much VWL.

there is nothing wrong with ANY of the DVC resorts - they are all made to different peoples likes.

ssr is a beautiful resort.

look how boring the world would be if we all liked the same thing.

as far as making their owners happy - I believe SSR does an excellent job there. which is all that is important.

 

[dumbo71]

Count me in as well - I happen to love SSR but as the newest resort it was beaten up so bad for so long it really got old. It has been decreed that anyone who bought at SSR only bought to stay other places because"who would want to stay at SSR" heck at one point we were all likened to beer swilling low lifes who were likened to an infestation of Clampets marring the perfection of BWV and BCV...

I do not feel that SSR has hurt any of the resorts but sometimes people's percenptions of their own beliefs become reality.

To say 90% of the people who bought at SSR don't stay there is their perception. I drove through SSR yesterday and it was sure busy for an unused resort.

Beer Swilling low lifes.............

Must have been before my time because the flames from that thread certainly would have caught my attention.

Back to the topic. Once agin I'll state, i highly doubt we'll see EP anytime soon............ despite the knowledgeable GOLF starters statement.

 

[DebbieB]

As a recent buyer, I recall reading in my materials a specific provision that said not to buy DVC with the hope that EP would be built. I guess with such past rampant EP rumors, DVC had to address it in its paperwork.

When I bought at BWV in 1999, VWL was under construction. I had the same VWL wording in my contract. I think they have to do this anytime a resort is announced but is not yet completed.

EP was more than a rumor, it was officially announced as a new DVC resort but was shelved when they decided to build SSR.

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

I wouldn't be surprised to see EP built as the last of the WDW DVC units....after AKV and CRV. However Disney would need to make it a destination resort in its own right because it would be a bit distant from anything except the golf course.

 

[Dean]

Sorry but I am tired of SSR being the whipping boy of the boards. Go look on the rent/trade board and see how many folks are trying to get into BCV and BWV and even VWL compared to SSR. Those people gobble up those resorts right and left.

I am not sure where your 10 to 1 ratio is coming from maybe you have contacts in DVC that show you trends but I look on this board and see a ton of people who actually like SSR (me being one of them).

10 to 1 is my estimate of the number of people trying to trade out of BCV, BWV & VWL and trade to SSR compared to the reverse. And to be honest, it is likely even higher in the negative for SSR in terms of total points and demand. Remember this is not a like or dislike SSR issue but a reality issue. I believe it is fact that SSR is less in demand than BWV, BCV and VWL both within and without DVC and by a wide margin and even if you look at SSR owners alone this appears to still be the case. Do I have hard numbers, no, but there is a ton of indirect evidence including availability, rental demand, posts here over time and the like. I see nothing in that view that puts SSR down as a great resort. And I also don't see it as a problem in general, just reality.

 

[jimmacmn]

The first week in December DW and I were at Disney. We were playing golf at EP and they put another couple with us for the round (another DVC member). The other couple told us the starter had just told them the EP Villas were back on again and, in addition, they would be plowing under the golf course to accomodate the Villas.

While we were playing, there were several survey crews out on the golf course. The couple we were with asked them if the rumors were true. They responded that they were not allowed to comment on anything. We can take all of this as just rumors until something is announced. I for one believe that at some point there will be a DVC at EP. However, I don't think they will plow under a Pete Dye golf course in the process. They may modify holes like they did with LBV/OKW but not a complete replacement.

Some posters seem to think that since THEY don't like golf that there shouldn't be any golf courses anywhere. We love our Disney vacations and the fact that there is affordable golf (the DVC rates for resort courses are outstanding!!!) just makes our vacation that much more enjoyable. DW took up golf by playing at Disney when we were on Grand Plans before we bought at OKW.

When EP was originally announced, we were considering purchasing points there. We waited for a long time after the announcement to buy an add on at SSR in hopes of an EP. We finally gave up on that for SSR, but then we prefer the more remote locations of OKW or SSR.

Finally, for the lady who couldn't take the car because DH had it at the golf course, Disney provides cab vouchers to and from any of the golf courses from the DVC properties and many of the Disney hotels. Just contact Bell services and they will let you know how it is to be done. Magical Express and cabs to the golf courses, who needs a car!

Jim

 

[Anal Annie]

Disney may also become concern with hotel occupancy if many of the occupants end up buying at DVC and lowering the hotel occupancy rate. If this becomes a factor, I don't it's too farfetched to conclude that Disney would slow the growth of DVC to induce a higher occupancy rate. It has to balance the money it makes off DVC off the money it loses off the hotel revenues if the hotel occupants do purchase DVC. I wonder if there are any statistics available to the public that gives any indication on the effect of the expansion of DVC that it has on Disney's hotel occupancy.

I think the DVC has been very profitable & they know what they're doing by now... There are still plenty of ppl out there who will stay at the hotels...I really don't think the DVC will affect their hotel revenue. They wouldn't keep expanding if it did. We have a friend who's a CM & he sounds like the DVC is a driving force there now... But he can't get me much inside scoop - other than he's certain the Contemporary is coming soon rather than later...

(PS) I see you're in Mt. Airy...we're almost neighbors - I'm just down the road in Clarksburg!

 

[L8blumr2]

(PS) I see you're in Mt. Airy...we're almost neighbors - I'm just down the road in Clarksburg!

Boyds here!

 

[Sammie]

I wouldn't be surprised to see EP built as the last of the WDW DVC units....after AKV and CRV. However Disney would need to make it a destination resort in its own right because it would be a bit distant from anything except the golf course.

It would be close to MK and not much further to the other parks than Port Orleans Riverside.

 

[Anal Annie]

Boyds here!

HaHa - too funny...technically my zip code is Boyds - but I live closer to Clarksburg...Hurley Ridge to be exact!

 

[makelab]

Boyds here!

im in boyds, too. wonder if we are neighbors?

 

[BroganMc]

as far as making their owners happy - I believe SSR does an excellent job there. which is all that is important.

The presumption that SSR is a less popular resort that overtaxes the system will soon be overtaken with the AKV frenzy in a year's time.

Why do I say this? Because SSR will sell out by Fall, AKV will be the only game in town for new members. BUT only 1/3 of AKV will be open to reservations. So we'll have all these new AKV owners looking to use their points, not getting what they want at home so looking elsewhere. And they'll pester all of us.

VWL for the nearest "rustic" feeling and proximity to MK.
BWV & BCV for the EPCOT/MGM proximity.
OKW for the next nearest "rustic" feeling and bigger rooms.
SSR for the DTD proximity and easy bus-to-hotel hopping.

And all of those will be at a point savings to AKVers.

EP, if it ever comes down the pike, will just make our lives even harder, as is any other new DVC. I dread what a CRV will do in the interim between sales and building completion. Probably the only time the system won't be taxed by a new DVC is if it is small or far away from Disney World, like California.

 

[BroganMc]

im in boyds, too. wonder if we are neighbors?

BTW, are we having a Maryland convention or something? I'm in Glenelg (near Clarksville and Western Columbia). Damn frigid around here, eh? All in all, I wish I was in Florida. Must open my can of Florida Sunshine.

 

[Anal Annie]

im in boyds, too. wonder if we are neighbors?

Well, according to Google, our Boyds zip code covers 27.54 sq. miles...& the population is around 2,558...so we're all pretty close to each other. (I'm on the Rt 355 / W. Old Baltimore side...)

I'm glad to find some neighbors out there both here AND at WDW!!! Been so cold lately I'm spending a lot of time here on the Disboard!