Interesting comment about CR DVC

[LisaSt]

Beca I would be willing to guess that it wouldn't be offered to DVC members first it would be put to the public which includes those of us that are DVC members.

 

[Beth]

I'm pretty sure there is some precedence for them offering pre-sales to members, first... Can't remember which resort(s), though. Maybe even as far back as VWL?!?

 

[tjkraz]

Originally posted by alvernon90
I confess that I don't know much about the economics of building these DVC resorts, but logically it seems to me that the opposite is true.

The great thing about BVC, for instance, is that they were able to add a DVC resort with top of the line amenities (SAB, restaurants, health club, etc.) for just the price of a building and a quiet pool. And even if they'd had the room to make it bigger, they'd be foolish to do so because those common areas were designed to support the guests when YC/BC is at capacity -- add too many more rooms and people will stop paying top dollar for the hotel rooms because the crowds make the ameneties unusuable.

Agree with you on most of what you've said above. But I guess the leap that I made was to assume that DVC will "do the right thing" and add amenities as needed to support whatever the size of the resort might be. Two months ago they announced that SSR would be 50% larger than original plan. The concensus is that the current dining and recreation facilities are insufficient for the additional 300 rooms they plan to build. But if DVC wants to waltz people through their fancy Preview Center in the next 2-3 years and entice them to buy points at SSR for $100+ each, they better not have a single feature pool that is overcrowded, or a food court that lacks vacant tables.

I agree that some existing infrastructure can be utilized, while other facilities will be enhanced as necessary.

(Also keep in mind that DVC rooms tend to have more people in them than regular hotel rooms.)

Not when you factor in the square footage of the room. By all indications, DVC is a lot more restrictive on the 4 adult limit in its studios than the other resorts are for their standard rooms.

Then you've got a 1B with twice the sq ft that holds the same number of people. A 2B is about 3x a Studio, but only holds twice as many people.

Disney would be shooting themselves in the foot if they added so many rooms to CR that it became impossible to catch the monorail or get in at the restaurants.

Granted.

Another restaurant would address one problem. And with regard to the monorail--is this even an issue? Are there days when people need to wait two or three cars to board the resort monorail?

it's probably more profitable to sell out four 300-room DVC add-ons at existing resorts than to sell out a 1200-room resort built from scratch.

Maybe yes, maybe no. There are certain economies of scale that come into play when you debate small project vs. large project. Some fixed costs won't vary with the size of the resort to be built.

But the real question is where they would have 4 resorts onto which they could tack a DVC add-on? Granted all of this would have to be firmly classified as "rumor", but the most popular rumor is that there really isn't land around the Poly or GF that is suitable for construction. It is common knowledge that Disney once wanted to build a resort between the Poly and the CR, only to find that the land was unsuitable.

I've never stayed there, but again the concensus appears to be that the design of AKL isn't condusive to adding additional resort rooms--DVC or otherwise.

I guess the only thing that we really know for certain is that the land where the CR garden wings exist CAN support some construction. In retrospect, I agree that 1000+ rooms is probably overly ambitious for the property we are discussing. But it would be nice to see something larger than the skimpy add-on they built at WL.

Aside from CR, if DVC sales continue at present levels and warrant an additional stand-alone resort, I'll be really surprised if its size doesn't dwarf SSR.

All of this is guessing, not fact. Please take with a grain of salt.

Ditto.

 

[rinkwide]

Originally posted by tjkraz
But it would be nice to see something larger than the skimpy add-on they built at WL.

I disagree.

I think CR would be the perfect locale for a smaller, more exclusive "boutique" resort that would naturally be priced through the freakin' roof. I imagine the cost increase would be realized not so much in price-per-point (although that would invariably increase) but more in points-per-night.

Pure fantasy though.